Indian Army wants futuristic vehicle for its Armoured corps

[sayareakd]

If this is the standard of your comments , it is better not to spam the thread and not to troll.

http://idrw.org/russian-engineers-to-turn-armata-tank-fully-autonomous/#more-67075

When directors of the famous Terminator movie franchise came up with their models of autonomous killer robots, they couldn’t imagine that Russian military engineers might develop their own version of a military robot – the autonomous T-14 Armata tank.Russian military engineers are working to make the T-14 Armata tank, revealed to the world during the Moscow’s Victory Parade on May 9, a fully autonomous armored vehicle, Polish daily newspaper Rzeczpospolita reported.

Western military experts are worried that the new Russian tank, considered as the deadliest tank in the world, will soon fight on the battlefield autonomously with its crew operating the tank from a distance similar to a video game, the newspaper said.

Although the idea seems to come straight from modern video games, it isn’t a figment of imagination, but the work of Russian engineers developing the autonomous version of the Armata tank under the direction of Andrei Terlikov, Rzeczpospolita reported.

“On-board computer system controls most technical functions [of the tank] that allows the crew to focus on key tasks,” Ilya Demchenko, a deputy chief designer of the tank, told AFP. “For the crew, it will be like a video game, they’d only have to make final decisions.”

The new Armata tank will be a combat vehicle that is expected to form the backbone of Russian military for years to come. The tank has impressive specs and state of the art weaponry, including an active defense system that protects the armored vehicle from all sides. When the system detects an enemy missile shot at the tank, it automatically fires rounds to destroy or knock the missile off its path.


above will answer some of your assertions like flying tank, straight from Comics etc...etc..

Flying tank ... Duh ... If you do not know that modern attack helicopters like Apaches or MI 35 are indeed flying tanks then why expose your little understanding of the subject. Your one liners are indeed provocative and it is trolling..

What a state ..... here moderators troll maximum times..

Well you didnt reply to difficult question of T90M fulfilling GSQR, which means it cant.
About your saying that T14 can be act as Robot, nothing new here, even local guys are working for that, they shown it with BMP (IA didnt want it, as usual), now with T14, they think it is out of box .

 

[Khagesh]

That will be about ten volume of books each about 1000 pages. And that is available on net - soil studies, geological patterns, subsurface hydrology, surface structures, water system, Canal systems etc etc. Tank designers are not DODOs. Is someone being invited to design tanks or toys ? Are you guys scientists or some Babus ?

Such as :

http://www.slideshare.net/shahjee1522/irrigation-system-of-pakistan

When these very Generals decide to go into Pakistan will they be complaining that before having a battle plan they first have to read "about ten volume of books each about 1000 pages".

What are these people otherwise for, if they don't already have parameters based on these very readings?

 

[Khagesh]

The story of Arjun is quite different .. it is that you are making a tank for last 30 years .. so make it.. then it has defects so rectify it.. it has further problems so amend defects.. it has become 68 tons ... no problems we will accept 124 but not beyond...

No sir that was ever changing goal posts and outright lying in AUCRT and then utter Kejriwal in the Comparative Trails.

Even for that the work had started since beginning. This time again they are, on intent, being vague to perpetuate the same thing. Who is the DGMF covering for when he is unwilliing to give particulars and instead talks about bakwasbazi like 'Design Philosoply'. What the hell has the DGMF ever designed?

Ok answer this - the design is to be submitted on a common software platform. What is this platform? Who supplied this platform? What is the net duration for which the DGMF has used this platform till date?

These guys perhaps have failed to track the lives of those who had served to sabotage the LCA-Tejas early on in their careers. Tejas vs Those Guys is a very ironic read, for those guys . And mind you Arjun is the prime warrior in the Dharmakshetra.

Order of 124 was again to sabotage the Arjun MBT because they already had their eyes on T-90.

 

[Khagesh]

Flying tank ... Duh ... If you do not know that modern attack helicopters like Apaches or MI 35 are indeed flying tanks then why expose your little understanding of the subject. Your one liners are indeed provocative and it is trolling..

So how long before the DGMF gives "Design Philosophy" for "Design Competitions" of attack helicopters.

 

[Lions Of Punjab]

Army’s new battle tank proposal sets stage for MoD tussle

http://idrw.org/armys-new-battle-tank-proposal-sets-stage-for-mod-tussle/

Over the last three decades the army has first ignored, and then opposed the indigenous Arjun tank, designed by the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO). Now, this fight has entered a second generation, with the army scuttling the DRDO’s proposal to design the next-generation Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT).

In a blow aimed at the FMBT proposal, the army has floated a global Request for Information (RFI) asking global tank manufacturers to submit proposals to design a “new generation, state-of-the-art combat vehicle platform” for India.

The new tank will not just replace the army’s 2414 obsolescent T-72 tanks, but also constitute a “base platform” that would be modified into 10 other variants, including tracked and wheeled light tanks; bridge laying and trawl tanks; a mobile platform for artillery and air defence guns; a combat engineering vehicle, and even a tracked ambulance.

This proposal has been named the Future Ready Combat Vehicle (FRCV) project. Army sources say this name has been selected to clearly differentiate it from the DRDO’s FMBT project, which will no longer be supported.


The FRCV proposal RFI originates from the “Directorate General of Mechanised Forces” (DGMF). Dated June 10, it was posted on the internet a few days later.

FRCV is a direct blow to “Make in India”, replacing not just the indigenous FMBT project but potentially also the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) project that is being tendered shortly to Indian vendors under the “Make” category of the Defence Procurement Policy (DPP).

FRCV would divert lakhs of crores of rupees from Indian to foreign vendors. The FMBT project – which the government told Parliament on December 6, 2010, would be completed by 2020 – could itself be worth Rs 1,50,000 crore. This includes about Rs 25,000 crore for designing, development and testing, and replacing the army’s 2,500-odd T-72 variants for about Rs 50 crore a tank.

Replacing the army’s 2,600 BMP-II infantry combat vehicles would cost another Rs 50,000 crore. Currently the indigenous FICV project covers this replacement.

The new FRCV proposal has several dubious firsts. Unprecedentedly it lays down no specifications for the new tank, leaving it to the foreign designer to propose its form and capabilities. The RFI vaguely states that the “design must cater for ‘future’ battlefield environment and technological possibilities”.

Traditionally, buyers of military equipment specify precisely what they need, placing the onus on the vendor to meet those requirements. In the case of tanks, users specify weight, the guns and missiles they want, their strike ranges, how much armour protection is needed, etc. However, in the FRCV, only a “broad design philosophy” will be specified to the vendors.

“Tanks are not designed by philosophers, but by engineers. The military needs to translate its operational philosophy into weapon systems, and to clearly specify to designers the capabilities that are needed. The problem is the generals themselves can’t agree what they want, and so they want the designer to tell them,” says a senior officer involved in the FRCV process.

Business Standard learns that a key reason for this lack of consensus within the armoured corps (which operates tanks) is that, for a decade, each of its director generals has brought his own ideas, overruling the ideas of his predecessors.

A second problem with the RFI is that it violates the DPP in the process it lays out for designing, developing and manufacturing the FRCV. The three-stage process envisaged is: (a) an international design competition, with vendors “asked to submit detailed designs based on the FRCV design philosophy”. A ministry selection committee would select the best design; (b) development of a prototype by “nominated” development agencies (DAs), separate from the designer, but with the designer’s “close involvement”; (c) the bulk manufacture of the FRCV by “one/two nominated Production Agencies.

There has been no such case in recorded procurement history where one agency has designed a product, another has developed the prototype, and a third has carried out mass manufacture. Defence vendors only undergo costly and laborious design and development when they are confident of making profits through bulk manufacture.

Since there is no provision in the DPP for the proposed three-stage process, the ministry’s apex Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) would have to sanction a DPP deviation. Civil servants in the ministry say there is little chance of that, given that the DRDO, confident after building the Arjun, would steadfastly oppose a foreign-led process.

“We will support the DRDO, since this involves “Make in India,” a senior defence ministry official told Business Standard. The army’s future tank programme seems poised for significant delays.

 

[Khagesh]

http://idrw.org/armys-new-battle-tank-proposal-sets-stage-for-mod-tussle/

The new FRCV proposal has several dubious firsts. Unprecedentedly it lays down no specifications for the new tank, leaving it to the foreign designer to propose its form and capabilities.

Now imagine if IAF and IN also begin to think in this anonymous manner, omitting words/parameters/objectives, on which they should be clear. Instead asking say the JSF program office to tell us how F-35 is the only solution for our airforce or navy.

Documentation creates accountability. That is why for the finished products the armed forces hold the FOC till the documentation is completed. So for the requirements too, it should be the same. Let them clearly say what they want. Why the obfuscation about "giving out broad Design Philosophy" when they have not designed even the curtains of their own offices.

When the DGMF is to make an RFI he does it in trust for the Indian Army. He is never personally going to use it. There will be young boys who will be using these end products. Young boys, most of whom would be going out on retirement early on in their middle ages, instead of joining the rat race in the Army Staff. These are real fighters who would have given their youth, using equipment that is selected for them. These young guys deserve to be given a full chance, not a favorite chance. And a full chance will come only after all parties, starting from the DGMF are upfront and above board about what they are seeking.

 

[Bhadra]

When these very Generals decide to go into Pakistan will they be complaining that before having a battle plan they first have to read "about ten volume of books each about 1000 pages".

What are these people otherwise for, if they don't already have parameters based on these very readings?

Stop whining, being irrational and General abuser. When you enter DRDO do they teach you as the first thing.

Generals know that at the finger tips that being their bread and butter. The point was if they specify details of each and every bridge and terrain of each and every sector in RFI - That would be ten volumes of RFI. That is what was meant if you do not understand. Others of course understand.

Those ten volumes are available with DODOs and they do not need it. So convenience and advantage is with DRDO. However, my fear is that they do not read anything, they do not know anything and the foreigners know much better than them. Most of you DFI DRDO guys comment like uneducated fools. For some of you the sole naukari is shouting on DFI ... typical communist union style..

Are the two tank agencies in India , the DGMF and DRDO tank specialists ? Not at all and no where near. DRDO does not know which is the aft of the tank and DGMF have never fought a tank battle. both are blind men of Hindustan !!

 

[Lions Of Punjab]

FRCV or Armata What’s in a name? Indian Army !!
http://idrw.org/frcv-or-armata-whats-in-a-name-indian-army/
SOURCE: Vishal Asolkar / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

Indian Army on 08 June , has issued Request for Information (RFI) to Vendors for design of Future Universal Combat Platform upon which new Main Battle tank will be developed to replace existing Soviet-era T-72 Main battle tanks in the Armoured Corps which will enter service in Indian Army by 2025-27.

“Future Ready Combat Vehicle (FRCV)” under which RFI has been issued requested Design Bureaus from India and Abroad to submit their Design information by 31-July-2015.

RFI tender issued Director General Mechanised Forces (DGMF) of Indian Army came just a few weeks after Russian 5th generation main battle tank based on the Armata Universal Combat Platform was displayed in public during rehearsals for the 2015 Moscow Victory Day Parade .

Russian Presidential Aide Vladimir Kozhin few days later declared that India has expressed interest in purchasing new military equipment presented at the May 9 Victory Day parade in Moscow, including the Armata tank. That was the first Salvo fired by Russians on India on possible Sale of Armata Tank.

What is more interesting is that for last two years Indian army has been brainstorming on General Staff Qualitative Requirements (GSQRs) for Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT) to be developed by DRDO and has failed to come with its requirements which has left DRDO in a spot since they cannot develop a product without customer specified Staff Qualitative Requirements provided to them.

Even before tender for Future Ready Combat Vehicle (FRCV) was issued Russian media already had reported that India is very much interested in developing FMBT based on Russian Universal Combat Platform for its future requirements.

Indian Army plans to use FRCV platform to develop Tracked Main Battle Tank which will be Primary variant and will be followed up with ” Tracked Light Tank “, “Wheeled Version “, ” Bridge Layer Tank (BLT) “, “Trawl Tank and Mine Ploughs”, “Armoured Recovery Vehicle”, “Self-propelled gun (SPG)” , ” anti-aircraft tank” , “Artillery Observation Vehicle.” Engineer Reconnaissance Vehicle, ” Armoured ambulance “.

Army wants FRCV to be in ” Medium Tank ” Category. Which will allow the new platform to be used on existing infrastructure thus automatically elimiating many western tank manufacturers who usually develop Heaver battle tanks, similar to Arjun MBT. Technical requirements laid down are also unclear and depends on Design Bureaus for ideas and suggestions on new platforms.

Earlier i had informed idrw.org readers about possible such ( Read : Will Russia tempt Indian Army with new Armata tank?) development, where Russian Armata battle tank will be given a backdoor entry and delays in issuing GSQRs for Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT) to be developed by DRDO, was one of the early signals . Army have stalled all attempts to induct indigenously developed Arjun tank and still resist to order more of them.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

http://idrw.org/frcv-or-armata-whats-in-a-name-indian-army/

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

http://idrw.org/frcv-or-armata-whats-in-a-name-indian-army/

this tells where the fault lies. This time army hasn't told requirement for fmbt.... So how can drdo develop a tank without knowing customer requirement. Changing requirement is army's and air force's another habit....

 

[Khagesh]

Stop whining, being irrational and General abuser. When you enter DRDO do they teach you as the first thing.

Get a hold on your self. You don't get to tell me what to do and what not to. And I am not in DRDO.

Here is how the FMBT discussions were reported to have progressed till 2010 - http://www.livefistdefence.com/2010/05/exclusive-indias-future-main-battle.html (sorry no wings )

Notice - discounting the journalistic flair, there are things still visible under the glare. They basically have no idea about what they really want. This can happen only when:
1) the people taking part in the discussion are clueless bums; &/or
2) somebody, whose responsibility is to manage these discussions, is deliberately laying out a directionless / fluffy discussion, actively sabotaging any meaningful results coming out of these discussions and generally creating grounds for unwanted imports.

Since there would be too many people taking part in discussion it would be difficult to gather too many bums. But the #2 is certainly not beyond possibility.

 

[Bhadra]

Ajay Shukla and Vishal Asolkar - so the act is in full swing and paid journalists are out of cupboard ..... the slush money is in full use ....

So why do not they write suggested RFI ?

@Kagesh - why do not you write a two page RFI rather writing such long gibberish having no meaning..

 

[ersakthivel]

Ajay Shukla and Vishal Asolkar - so the act is in full swing and paid journalists are out of cupboard ..... the slush money is in full use ....

So why do not they write suggested RFI ?

@Kagesh - why do not you write a two page RFI rather writing such long gibberish having no meaning..

I dont know CVRDE avadi folks can wire slush money to secret swiss accounts!!!

if it is true then it is a welcome development!!! Way to go CVRDE!!!! Why should this exclusive privilege reserved only for Army brigadiers in charge of LUH, IAF chairmarshals in Agusta westland scams?
In a free loading democracy Ajai shukla and CVRDE-DRDO too should be allowed the same bribing games.

Instead of asking some one to write GSQR, please take time out to read the Specs given to tejas and AMCA program.exact requirements were given and the end product is measured against the standard set by ASR.

So from now on folks at IAF will be itching to cancel AMCA ASR and give a three part RFI with separate agencies for designing, prototyping, and producing a stealth fighter!!! Why should we deny folks at IAF the wild goose chase privilege bestowed on DGMF in the name of RFI for FICV?

Mark my words Army wont even get a tractor from this RFI for FICV circus.

 

[ersakthivel]

Stop whining, being irrational and General abuser. When you enter DRDO do they teach you as the first thing.

Generals know that at the finger tips that being their bread and butter. The point was if they specify details of each and every bridge and terrain of each and every sector in RFI - That would be ten volumes of RFI. That is what was meant if you do not understand. Others of course understand.

Those ten volumes are available with DODOs and they do not need it. So convenience and advantage is with DRDO. However, my fear is that they do not read anything, they do not know anything and the foreigners know much better than them. Most of you DFI DRDO guys comment like uneducated fools. For some of you the sole naukari is shouting on DFI ... typical communist union style..

Are the two tank agencies in India , the DGMF and DRDO tank specialists ? Not at all and no where near. DRDO does not know which is the aft of the tank and DGMF have never fought a tank battle. both are blind men of Hindustan !!

No one needs the details of each and every soil type and bridge.

just two values are needed high and low margins.

For soil types it is min and max value for ground pressure per square inch that can support an MBT in those terrains.

For tank weight the same min and max value.

if IA can not get these four(just four) values then where was it operating tanks for the past 60 years? In mars perhaps?

No self respecting guy from any tank designing or producing firm will scourge through those thousands pages in tens of of volumes for each and every spec!!!

Not because of the lack of will, but he perfectly knows that IA is fooling him.

 

[ersakthivel]

@Khagesh

I had asked to answer DGMF questionnaire which you are not answering and going on and on and on and even bringing in 1962 which was disaster brought upon this country by bunch of civilian like you .

Why not answer these question: (I have put possible DODO answers to these in brackets as culled from various comments and discussions here)

Questionnaire.


(a) What is your estimate of the approximate expenditure likely to be incurred in preparing the design?

( We wiIl accept that as a project with incremental PDC of 2020 and incremental expenditure of Rs ten corers every two years with inflation to be catered for - ten foreign visits and about ten crores additional for that. Pay and perks of 100 Scientists over minimum ten years would over and above. Even if the project is foreclosed these scientist will keep working on the project without any sanction. Damn be the CAG ? Reservation as per Central government will be insured in this lucrative project lest there is strike in the organisation)

(b) What is the approximate time period which will be required to prepare the design?

(Initial PDC 2020 to be extended may be upto 2030 and final PDC to be decided in 2030.)

(c) What details would be needed in the FRCV design philosophy to enable the design to be prepared?

Organise a field visit of the entire team to all areas of Pakistan side of the border and briefing on terrain in Pakistan by their DGMO and DGISI. Ten PhD projects to study soil patterns of ten different areas of Punjab and Rajasthan over ten years period. Similar project on Pakistani side of the border under "Sadbhawana". Senior Executive engineers of BRO, PWD, Canal Department, Railways, NHAI and minimum ten Maj Gens of DGMF to be attached and placed under command of the Design team. All five star guest houses in the areas to be made available. One regiment of armour preferably Arjun also be made available on both sides of Western border for Scientists to ride the tanks and see / feel the terrain themselves. Ten pneumatic boats with four OBMs each boat also be made available to design team to see waters of canals and rivers, have some joy rides and organise picnics. Ten class A Divers of Indian navy be given to bring up soil of the river beds.
All rivers and Canals on both sides of the border must be made absolutely dry for measuring their width, depth, bed soil and angles of approach.

(d) What is the approximate amount of prize money for the winning design which will adequately motivate your organisation to participate in the competition?

DARPA gave one million dollars for their designer but there is no comparison between such stupid organisation and DRDO. That was to a nut amateur. Since this would a design team of distinguished DODOs having many times designed and redesigned and discovered and rediscovered Arjun , minimum 100 million US$ would be essential. Below that 100 bungalows for 100 men team would not be possible as the Desin team would be approaching retirement.

(e) What would be your most preferred model for conduct of the competition such that maximum transparency and a level playing field is maintained?

DODOs do not accept any transparency or competition. DGMF must know by now that it is our birth right and you have no choice. How dare you ask us this when we have SA to RM ? Slaves do not ask such questions !

Please tell me why such a three par design, prototype, and produce route open to every tank manufacturer in the world ,with no specs given wildgoose chase was not followed by Russian

 

[Bhadra]

@ersakthivel

Your answer is that DGMF is a fools but you yourself do not what he should be doing ... however, you yourself can not do anything or write an RFI.. However DGMF is wrong ...wrong and wrong because he is DGMF... an enemy ??

My suggestion is wait for Vaivaswat Manvantara to get over. this syndrome of no banana is going to fall will persist till then. Next will be Saavarnik Manvantar then DODOs will be able to do things for themselves..... because Saavarnik was blessed by Ma Durga..

When Tiger tank was built by Germans, did their Army gave the details for that down to ground pressure For example manufacturers of Tiger tanks were told that they need a plateform to break in heavily defended lines. Was T-34 made on specifications of USSR Army? And for that matter was AK -47 made on specifications? Those all were made on a war philosophy and war fighting doctrines as as blitzkrieg, combat rifle, which designers understood and offered their solutions. However DODOs and their bought supporters are adamant to teach Indian Army the philosophy and war doctrines. Medium tanks is a philosophy and part of a doctrine. So accept it or contest the doctrine which is beyong your capabilities.

Guys, it is design and not prototype building or production that as much as possible details must be given... Indian Army has learnt it from Arjun experience when every thing has been blamed on them and DODOs have conveniently passed the bloody buck on them for every thing..

And there is that tank man clown by the name of Ajay Shukla who says that tanks have no philosophy (only tank men have philosophy for faster promotion for which Shukla inspired group has gone to SC against the organisation). He also says designer and producer can not be different when the Russians have two tank design firms separate from production lines in Ural who developed Armata . Sukhoi and Mig have their separate commanding and huge design bureaus and the success story of those two firms is the story of their design bureaus whether it was designing engines, air frames or avionics.

DODOs have no design bureaus ... their design capability is copy and paste. Called Chepo. chepo Leopard and make Arjun. Chepo Bofors and make a howitzer. Arjun, the legendary hero ( not the tank) himself was not a chepo. He had his own qualities of design... but Arjun, the tank has neither the orginality nor the chepo factor... it has typical stamp of DODO..

Even in offering comments you guys are Chepo...

 

[Khagesh]

@ersakthivel
Your answer is that DGMF is a fools but you do not what he should be doing ... however you yourself can not do anything.. However DGMF is wrong ...wrong and wrong because he is DGMF...

@Bhadra bhai, that is exactly what we want to point out

Office of DGMF is either packed with fools or they are doing this deliberately with full knowledge. You are charitable towards all actions of the Generals and so see no harm in the tail wagging the dog display being put up by the Chandigarh Gang.

It ain't going to work......at all.

My take, Indian Army is infiltrated by a cabal that is behind the succession-fixing, the winding up of Technical Services Division, the non-rehabilitation of Col. Purohit, the sabotage of Arjun MBT, silence on bribes except Gen. VKS, and now the writing of this FRCV-RFI just when Armata made its appearance. We need an intel operation to rid our army of these people. And I am sure it is being done. My only wish is this is done absolutely completely.

If DRDO people can fight to keep their pet projects they dream for the country, but the COAS remains silent during Track 2 then there is something seriously wrong somewhere, in the Army.

Though I admit it is not as serious as the IAF. Most of what I wrote, while being hard for an Indian Army Jawan, is only to be able to correct the vision for the readers, that people like you present and that looks like a nearly complete lie to me. My guess is the Army will reason easily compared to the IAF. Indian Army has great depth of character and officers with Officer Like Qualities and a strong moral fiber actually do exist.

I personally appreciate the Indian Navy a lot but even they will have some people not exactly working for the interests of India, but then again we cannot forget that Indian Navy Chief actually resigned when the accidents rate went too high (even though I suspect undue political pressure on him). None of the other service chiefs had to face the flak when wrong doings were suspected under their watch.

I hope I am excused by the Indian Army Jawans.

 

[Bhadra]

Breakdown: What's Happening With India’s Tank Force?​

Tuesday, May 12, 2015 by Indiandefense News
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2015/05/breakdown-whats-happening-with-indias.html

New Delhi has so far failed to successfully mass-produce an indigenously developed modern main battle tank. The majority of India’s indigenously developed third generation Arjun main battle tanks have been grounded due to technical issues and missing spare parts, Defense News reported last week.

Originally supposed to enter service in the Indian Army in the 1980s, the ArjunMK-I program has witnessed repeated delays due to an inadequate design concept (e.g. too much heavy armor versus too little horsepower) partially based on the German Leopard II main battle tank and a flawed procurement and testing process.

Defense News quotes an Indian official who stated that “nearly 75 percent of the 124 [Arjun] tanks with the Army are grounded.” All in all there are more than 90 technical issues. “The problems in the Arjun tank are mainly confined to its transmission system, targeting and thermal sights,” the defense official noted.

Originally, more than 50 percent of components of the tank were imported, but this percentage has gradually diminished as various parts have been replaced by indigenous designed systems. Yet the tracked vehicle still requires foreign hardware to function and those supplied have dried up, according to the official.

“This prompted the Ministry of Defense (MoD) in late April to form a committee, headed by a retired three-star armored corps officer, to resolve the component shortages and reactivate the MBTs within two months,” IHS Jane’s Defense Weekly reported.

Rahul Bhonsle, a retired Indian Army brigadier general and defense analyst confirmed this assessment: “There are a number of issues related to functionality due to imported components, which seem to be bugging the Arjun Mark-1 fleet for some time now [sic]. The technical snags have reportedly led to much of the fleet remaining non operational, creating a void in the tank strength of the Indian Army.”

The Arjun MK-I tank was developed by the Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and produced by the Indian Ordnance Factory’s production facility in Avadi in southern India. The official noted that the Indian Army was obliged to acquire 124 tanks by the DRDO so that the factory could remain in operation.

Due to the repeated delays, India decided to acquire T-90s main battle tanks from Russia in the early 2000s. While the first 310 were directly imported from Russia, India is currently locally producing a customized and improved version of the T-90, the T-90 M Bhishma. A total of 500 T-90 and T-90 M tanks are currently in service in the Indian Army.

India plans to field 21 tank regiments of T-90s by 2020 through license-production, with 62 tanks per unit and more than 1,300 armored fighting vehicles total, although that number could go up. However, DRDO is also working on an improved version of the Arjun, the MK-II, which has done very well in comparative trials with the T-90M, according to Defense News. It sports more than 93 improvements over the older version and with around 60 percent locally manufactured components is less depended on foreign imports, a DRDO official said.

“If the experience gained from Mark-1 is utilized fully there should be lesser technical problems with Mark-2 at present though reports of trials do not suggest the same,” Rahul Bhonsle emphasized. In September 2014, the Indian Army has placed an order for 118 MK-II tanks. However, a decision to indigenously develop a a new anti-tank missile to be fitted onto the MK-II will, in all likelihood, delay the induction of the upgraded platform.

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Who would want such a piece to the basis of future tank ?? Only DRDO and Ajay Shukla ...

 

[Bhadra]

@Bhadra bhai, that is exactly what we want to point out

Office of DGMF is either packed with fools or they are doing this deliberately with full knowledge. You are charitable towards all actions of the Generals and so see no harm in the tail wagging the dog display being put up by the Chandigarh Gang.

It ain't going to work......at all.

My take, Indian Army is infiltrated by a cabal that is behind the succession-fixing, the winding up of Technical Services Division, the non-rehabilitation of Col. Purohit, the sabotage of Arjun MBT, silence on bribes except Gen. VKS, and now the writing of this FRCV-RFI just when Armata made its appearance. We need an intel operation to rid our army of these people. And I am sure it is being done. My only wish is this is done absolutely completely.

If DRDO people can fight to keep their pet projects they dream for the country, but the COAS remains silent during Track 2 then there is something seriously wrong somewhere, in the Army.

Though I admit it is not as serious as the IAF. Most of what I wrote, while being hard for an Indian Army Jawan, is only to be able to correct the vision for the readers, that people like you present and that looks like a nearly complete lie to me. My guess is the Army will reason easily compared to the IAF. Indian Army has great depth of character and officers with Officer Like Qualities and a strong moral fiber actually do exist.

I personally appreciate the Indian Navy a lot but even they will have some people not exactly working for the interests of India, but then again we cannot forget that Indian Navy Chief actually resigned when the accidents rate went too high (even though I suspect undue political pressure on him). None of the other service chiefs had to face the flak when wrong doings were suspected under their watch.

I hope I am excused by the Indian Army Jawans.

For God sake have mercy on this thread which is about RFI for future tanks and not about men in uniform ! They certainly do not a certificate from you !

 

[pmaitra]

For God sake have mercy on this thread which is about RFI for future tanks and not about men in uniform ! They certainly do not a certificate from you !

@Bhadra, I object to you repeatedly referring to the uniform.

So what if someone wears a uniform? Why should people hide behind a uniform and continue to do things that are arguably detrimental to the interests of the nation?

Even Colonel Pathania had a uniform. Did that save him from being convicted for his crime?

Any attempt to use the uniform to protect the alleged misdeeds of the one wearing that uniform, or to deflect criticism, is an insult to the uniform itself. The DGMF is not immune from criticism, irrespective of his uniform. Any individual, whether he wears a uniform or not, is subject to the laws of the land. If found guilty of bribery or for working for foreign arms lobbies, they will be punished. No uniform will be able to save them.

Please counter the points instead of resorting to argumentum ad passiones.