Indian Army: News and Discussion

[Guest]

The practical thing is that the Assam rivers are crossed with elephants and not with Mules. Period comes here.

The war will be fought on mountains, hence the mules, there are enough choke points in Arunachal that can check the enemy advance even with less advanced weapon and lesser soldiers than the enemy and by the time they reach Assam, If they at all reach there, they will be exhausted and logistics would be to difficult to continue.

So the point is that they, the enemy is not interested in Assam, and will never fight a war there, so there is no point in breeding Elephants for logistics purposes. Even for locals it is a costly affair and Assamese unlike the rest of the country are not known for doing that, specially when compared to South Indians.

If you are talking specifically about river transport than, the solution is locally available boats, timer rafts, bamboo rafts which are available in plenty, and by timber raft, I mean massive tress with straight trunks.

 

[rkhanna]

Guys this is an Indian Army News thread - Please take this discussion elsehwere. serves no purpose here.

@Mods - could you help clean up?

 

[samsaptaka]

Oh, This is one area where Indian Armed Forces have unnecessarily created an unsatisfactory situation for itself.
Earlier the qualifications for being a religious teachers used to be based on tradition of the religion and their priest including their cast but some smart alik changed it and brought an unsatisfactory arrangement into the system.

Now the qualification is simple graduation with Scripture language as one of the subjects. As a result, graduates of the university with Sanskrit as a subject are being sent as Religious Teachers - He could be a Rajput, a Yadav, A Mahar or A Jatav. Those are not trained in religious lores, traditions and scriptures - simply a graduate. Earlier it used to be a "Shastry" qualified from a Gurukul or Sanskrit university. A graduate degree as established by the government.

When they reach the units - everything becomes clear - that the religious teacher is a Yadav from Delhi who can not chant any mantras properly, who can not conduct a religious rite and he knows more about Demi Moor rather than Sita. That means the soldiers remain without an important institution. People face awkward situations as religious teacher are not only meant to serve the soldiers but also the families and children of the soldiers.

Think of a Religious Teacher who is a staunch Rajput and refuses to conduct last rites of a soldier because it is unthinkable for him being a Rajput to do so. This affects the morale of soldiers.

Or think of a Religious Teacher who is from Aligarh Muslim university with Urdu as a subject rather than a Maulan from a Madrasa (graduate equivalent) leading prayers of Muslim soldiers.

Stupid and unmindful Secularism.

This is like asking someone who has played call of duty video game to go and fight in real with an AK !

 

[Bhadra]

The war will be fought on mountains, hence the mules, there are enough choke points in Arunachal that can check the enemy advance even with less advanced weapon and lesser soldiers than the enemy and by the time they reach Assam, If they at all reach there, they will be exhausted and logistics would be to difficult to continue.

So the point is that they, the enemy is not interested in Assam, and will never fight a war there, so there is no point in breeding Elephants for logistics purposes. Even for locals it is a costly affair and Assamese unlike the rest of the country are not known for doing that, specially when compared to South Indians.

If you are talking specifically about river transport than, the solution is locally available boats, timer rafts, bamboo rafts which are available in plenty, and by timber raft, I mean massive tress with straight trunks.

Jab pata na ho to chup bhi raha ja sakata hai.

There used to be no or very less railway lines North of Brahmaputra. Troops going on leave or duties have to cross rivers to come to transit camp and railway stations south of the river.

Secondly most of the troops who are supposed to fight in ALP are located in peace time South of Brahmaputra.

Army does not breed elephants but soldiers used to cross rivers on elephants to go across on civilian elephants available on river bank for that job.

End the discussion. I am wrong and you are right.

 

[garg_bharat]

The war will be fought on mountains, hence the mules, there are enough choke points in Arunachal that can check the enemy advance even with less advanced weapon and lesser soldiers than the enemy and by the time they reach Assam, If they at all reach there, they will be exhausted and logistics would be to difficult to continue.

So the point is that they, the enemy is not interested in Assam, and will never fight a war there, so there is no point in breeding Elephants for logistics purposes. Even for locals it is a costly affair and Assamese unlike the rest of the country are not known for doing that, specially when compared to South Indians.

If you are talking specifically about river transport than, the solution is locally available boats, timer rafts, bamboo rafts which are available in plenty, and by timber raft, I mean massive tress with straight trunks.

Why would you not use motor boats? What is stopping army from using motor boats?

I think Bhadra's point is different that river creates a north south divide which can slow down logistics. However it won't stop logistics altogether.

 

[Bhadra]

Why would you not use motor boats? What is stopping army from using motor boats?

I think Bhadra's point is different that river creates a north south divide which can slow down logistics. However it won't stop logistics altogether.

Gupta ji ... leave it . close the topic

Jaki Phate Na Pawn Biwai, Wo kya jaane Pir Parayi ....

 

[12arya]

http://dharmakshethra.com/defence-clothing-ministry-of-defence-goes-for-make-in-india/

Defence Clothing: Ministry of Defence Goes for ‘Make in India’

 

[12arya]

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...on-misuse-government-funds-1522697-2019-05-11

Army Lt Gen faces action for alleged corruption over misuse of govt funds

As per allegations, the officer had used government funds meant for the institutions under him for buying air conditioners, furniture and other things for his personal use in an unauthorised manner.

HIGHLIGHTS

• As per allegations the officer had used government funds meant for institutions under him
• A high-level Court of Inquiry headed by Principal Staff Officer of Army Chief Gen Bipin Rawat was ordered
• The Court of Inquiry has recommended disciplinary action against the officer

The Indian Army has carried out a Court of Inquiry into allegations of corruption against a senior Lieutenant General for misuse of government funds.

"A Court of Inquiry was ordered by the Army Headquarters under a senior Lieutenant General to probe the corruption charges against the officer after complaints were received that he had misused government funds for buying equipment worth over Rs 10 lakh for personal use," senior government sources told ANI.

As per allegations, the officer had used government funds meant for the institutions under him for buying air conditioners, furniture and other things for his personal use in an unauthorised manner, they said.

As soon as the complaints reached the headquarters, a high-level Court of Inquiry headed by a Principal Staff Officer of Army Chief Gen Bipin Rawat was ordered.

PSOs are the senior most Lt Gens in the Army posted at the headquarters for assisting the Army Chief in day-to-day functioning of the force.

Since the enquiry is against a Lt Gen, the members in it are also of the rank of Lt Gen.

"The presiding officer of the Court of Inquiry has completed the probe and has already briefed the Army Chief about it," the sources said.

It is learnt that the Court of inquiry has recommended disciplinary action against the officer.

Ever since Gen Bipin Rawat has taken over as the Chief of the Indian Army, he has clearly told officers and personnel that there would be no tolerance against moral turpitude and financial corruption in the force.

Several officers have also been dismissed from service and retired without pension after they were indicted in cases of corruption and moral turpitude

 

[Bhadra]

Who is this Lt Gen ?

Any idea ??

 

[12arya]

Who is this Lt Gen ?

Any idea ??

nope. no idea. posted after seeing it in my news feed.

 

[12arya]

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/c...es-in-jaisalmer-2019-desert-storm/772209.html

Indian Army team win twin titles in Jaisalmer 2019 Desert Storm

The team of Indian Army during the concluding ceremony of the 2019 Desert Storm concluded on Saturday. Tribune Photo


Chandigarh, May 12

The Indian Army's brave hearts won the two out of the three categories in the 2019 Desert Storm, which was concluded on Saturday.

The Team Army Adventure Wing's of Lt. Col. Aman Katoch and co-driver Capt. Siddhartha Nandal in fact surpassed expectations, claiming the second runners' up trophy in the Ndure category.
The duo even elicited the biggest applause as they stepped forward to take their reward, dressed up in their uniforms, at the glittering prize distribution ceremony.

Lt. Col. Shakti Bajaj too was given a heroic welcome as he and co-driver Aditya Chand annexed the tenth position in the Xtreme Category. The Army's women participants Major Euthica and navigator Tejal Parashare (Extreme category), Manisha Gaind and Major K Renuka (Mott) were without doubt the cynosure of all eyes on all four days as they faced the heat of the desert with courage and composure.

Team Army fielded as many as 10 teams in the Xtreme Category and three in the Moto, making it the largest contingent in the Desert Storm. Bajaj has been rallying for over a decade while Renuka of Army Service Corps recently became the first woman biker from the Army to scale the 18,176 ft Karakoram Pass.

 

[Defcon 1]

Army raises alarm over rising accidents due to faulty ammunition

More fighting between army and OFB. MOD as always is a mute spectator. I never understand why don't these newspapers contact MOD for comment. It is MOD's job to step and ensure that such problems can be solved without assigning the blame to OFB or army. If this continues, many of our high end weapons will not even be used in wars because of ammunition problems.

 

[Craigs]

Army raises alarm over rising accidents due to faulty ammunition

More fighting between army and OFB. MOD as always is a mute spectator. I never understand why don't these newspapers contact MOD for comment. It is MOD's job to step and ensure that such problems can be solved without assigning the blame to OFB or army. If this continues, many of our high end weapons will not even be used in wars because of ammunition problems.

Imports, imports, more imports. As the saying goes real money is in the blades not the razer.

 

[binayak95]

Imports, imports, more imports. As the saying goes real money is in the blades not the razer.

And sticking to OFB's shitty ammo means deaths deaths deaths.

The IA has stopped training on the L70s because the 40mm HE ammo made by OFB loves to go BOOM inside the barrel.

Pvt manufacturers have opened ammo factories in India yet the MoD prohibits large tenders from being given to them. Why?

 

[sorcerer]

Indian Army raises alarm over rising accidents due to faulty ammunition | India News - Times of India
NEW DELHI: The Army has sounded the alarm over the unacceptably high number of accidents taking place in the field due to the poor and defective quality of ammunition being supplied for tanks, artillery, air defence and other guns by the state-owned Ordnance Factory Board

Ordinance FUCKUP Board should be shaped up~

Reading the article made me soooo angry.

 

[Defcon 1]

Imports, imports, more imports. As the saying goes real money is in the blades not the razer.

How is this related to imports? Army doesn't import their ammunition. Do you even understand what are you writing?

 

[Defcon 1]

And sticking to OFB's shitty ammo means deaths deaths deaths.

The IA has stopped training on the L70s because the 40mm HE ammo made by OFB loves to go BOOM inside the barrel.

Pvt manufacturers have opened ammo factories in India yet the MoD prohibits large tenders from being given to them. Why?

They will not take away orders from OFB to give them to pvt industry because otherwise OFB labor unions will start to protest. The only viable solution for someone good from MOD to dive deep into this to subject to understand exactly where the problem and how can it be solved. This requires both time and money. Unless some good defence minister/bureaucrat puts sustained focus, this problem will not go away. MOD should assign a project manager to this problem whose KPA's should be clearly defined in terms of number of metrics such as (number of accidents/per 1000 rounds fired). Only once someone puts in a lot of effort to move this metric, the problem will be solved.

 

[Bhadra]

Army raises alarm over rising accidents due to faulty ammunition

More fighting between army and OFB. MOD as always is a mute spectator. I never understand why don't these newspapers contact MOD for comment. It is MOD's job to step and ensure that such problems can be solved without assigning the blame to OFB or army. If this continues, many of our high end weapons will not even be used in wars because of ammunition problems.

It is not a new thing,,, OFB manufactured ammunition of all varieties has been failing in standards quite often. Any one who was part of Op Parakram, the mobilisation in 2001-02 will recall how ammunition dumps were exploding all over Rajasthan and Punjab due to faulty ammunition.

Look at the state of affairs. If Tank ammunition, 105 Field Gun ammunition, 130 Gun ammunition and AD gun ammunition is defective, you have defeated your Army much before the war would commence in their piece location.

In fact OFB must be investigated for infiltration by ISI or Chinese agencies amongst the,
Al in the chain - factory manager, factory quality Control officer and Quality Control Officers of DGQA must be dismissed and arrested for further investigation.

The OFB babu, DG Ammunition Group must be placed in house arrest and case investigated.

Army must be given the money and power to purchase the defective ammunition. to make up 40 days WWR at intense rates immediately.

 

[Defcon 1]

It is not a new thing,,, OFB manufactured ammunition of all varieties has been failing in standards quite often. Any one who was part of Op Parakram, the mobilisation in 2001-02 will recall how ammunition dumps were exploding all over Rajasthan and Punjab due to faulty ammunition.

Look at the state of affairs. If Tank ammunition, 105 Field Gun ammunition, 130 Gun ammunition and AD gun ammunition is defective, you have defeated your Army much before the war would commence in their piece location.

In fact OFB must be investigated for infiltration by ISI or Chinese agencies amongst the,
Al in the chain - factory manager, factory quality Control officer and Quality Control Officers of DGQA must be dismissed and arrested for further investigation.

The OFB babu, DG Ammunition Group must be placed in house arrest and case investigated.

Army must be given the money and power to purchase the defective ammunition. to make up 40 days WWR at intense rates immediately.

Sir you are just giving the army view. If you read the article, OFB has blamed army for the accidents. If this continues both army and OFB will continue fighting. MOD should step in and play referee. It is why they are for.

 

[Chinmoy]

Look I am talking of crossing of the river.. and you are talking about mule rides.
Entire ALP and Assamese population does that so do the poor Army Jawan for crossing the rivers while proceeding away or going to their units . What do you when there is no bridge and no boat but an elephant...
matter closed..

Neither people in ALP nor in Assam does this even in flood. Kabhi aao toh jaano.

Arunachal does have the highest number of drop zones for Army and paramilitary in India.