Indian Army MRSAM

[Payeng]

Its spyder. Barak does not have a land version.

SpyDer for Land, Barak for Ships, objective: point defence.

 

[plugwater]

Barak Land version do exist (MR/LR SAM). Land version of Barak already finalised few years back. By 2015 onwards, It will be inducted after navy version in 2013-2014 (Kolkatta class destroyer).

Barak 1 does not have a land version. I know about Barak-2/8/ER.

SpyDer and Barak are 2 different system with different range too.

I know :thumb:

 

[pankaj nema]

I think we should get some more S 300 Russian missiles while developing these Barak 8 MRSAM

S 300 are still one of the best

And considering that Russia is loosing one tender after another
ie MMRCA , Attack copters and it is possible that Russia will NOT get Project 75 I NEXT gen Submarines
we have to buy something from Russians BEFORE they start selling to Pakistan

 

[Singh]

I think we should get some more S 300 Russian missiles while developing these Barak 8 MRSAM

S 300 are still one of the best

And considering that Russia is loosing one tender after another
ie MMRCA , Attack copters and it is possible that Russia will NOT get Project 75 I NEXT gen Submarines
we have to buy something from Russians BEFORE they start selling to Pakistan

I had made a huge list of all missiles, that we should go in for and ones we shouldn't go in for. Let me have a look if I can search it.

 

[Galaxy]

Spyder range is 15 km, we have not gotten a single unit so far.

One thing is not clear, SR missiles come under IA and LR come under IAF, i dont know why IA needs Barak ER.

SpyDer is combination of Python and Derby Missiles with range 15 and 35 Km respectively. [So, Range is 15-35Km]. As far as induction, It's already in process and by next year, All units will be inducted. Also, Highly likely that we order more as 18 units are less as per requirement of 40 odd airbases. SpyDer will replace OSA-AKM. Also, Pechoras/Kvadrats are being replaced by the 25km-range Akash Mk1 and later 35km-range Akash Mk2.

There are 2 kind of SR missiles (SpyDer 15-35 Km and Akash MK1, and later MK2 (25-35 Km) - These 2 will be for both IAF and IA. SpyDer is mainly for IAF and Akash mainly for IA (beside NE airbase/air field for IAF)

Since, IA needs more SAM/Defence system and also Akash is very delayed (2 regiment for IA will be delivered after 2015), Hence they looking for another SR Missiles (15 Km) - Maitri or anything like that.

For Long Range SAM, It's Barak-8. Navy -70Km (by 2013-2015) and For IAF/IA (100 Km) After 2015 onwards.

 

[Payeng]

Interesting point to include S-300 into discussion, one which uses Cold launch technique. Imagine canisters are being heated for a launch, say it takes 5 mins to get heated, during the last minute the commander detects it as a friendly aircraft,.......woooops missile wasted.

 

[Galaxy]

we don't need S-300 with 100-200 Km range. (We already operating 8 system of S-300 to protect major cities - No official data)

Our AAD/PDV will be operational by 2015 with range 500-1000 Km range. It would be better than S-300 if it will be operational as per planned !!

What we need is Arrow-3 or THAAD or S-500 like system. Although DRDO is developing AD-1,2 and will be operational by 2017 onwards (But I am not sure on that )

 

[plugwater]

SpyDer is combination of Python and Derby Missiles with range 15 and 35 Km respectively. [So, Range is 15-35Km]. As far as induction, It's already in process and by next year, All units will be inducted. Also, Highly likely that we order more as 18 units are less as per requirement of 40 odd airbases. SpyDer will replace OSA-AKM. Also, Pechoras/Kvadrats are being replaced by the 25km-range Akash Mk1 and later 35km-range Akash Mk2.

There are 2 kind of SR missiles (SpyDer 15-35 Km and Akash MK1, and later MK2 (25-35 Km) - These 2 will be for both IAF and IA. SpyDer is mainly for IAF and Akash mainly for IA (beside NE airbase/air field for IAF)

Since, IA needs more SAM/Defence system and also Akash is very delayed (2 regiment for IA will be delivered after 2015), Hence they looking for another SR Missiles (15 Km) - Maitri or anything like that.

For Long Range SAM, It's Barak-8. Navy -70Km (by 2013-2015) and For IAF/IA (100 Km) After 2015 onwards.

Spyder we ordered has only 15 km range, Spyder MR was offered but we chose not to accept, instead we decided to joint develop Barak MR.

There are some plans to float a tender for 120-300km range SAMs.

 

[Payeng]

we don't need S-300 with 100-200 Km range. (We already operating 8 system of S-300 to protect major cities - No official data)

Our AAD/PDV will be operational by 2015 with range 500-1000 Km range. It would be better than S-300 if it will be operational as per planned !!

What we need is Arrow-3 or THAAD or S-500 like system. Although DRDO is developing AD-1,2 and will be operational by 2017 onwards (But I am not sure on that )

You are mixing up Ballistic missile defence with Air defence. both works differently.

 

[plugwater]

we don't need S-300 with 100-200 Km range. (We already operating 8 system of S-300 to protect major cities - No official data)

We do need them.

Our AAD/PDV will be operational by 2015 with range 500-1000 Km range. It would be better than S-300 if it will be operational as per planned !!

AAD and PDV suck against more maneuverable aircraft, they do not have 500-1000km range.

AAD flight altitude is 30km and planned to increase to 50km, no info about horizontal range, definitely not 500km.

PDV will have 150 km flight altitude.

What we need is Arrow-3 or THAAD or S-500 like system. Although DRDO is developing AD-1,2 and will be operational by 2017 onwards (But I am not sure on that )

We dont need Arrow or Thaad since they dont offer much against aircrafts. S-500 will be good.

 

[Galaxy]

Spyder we ordered has only 15 km range, Spyder MR was offered but we chose not to accept, instead we decided to joint develop Barak MR.

There are some plans to float a tender for 120-300km range SAMs.

SpyDer means combo on [FONT=helvetica, arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Python and Derby Missile. [/FONT][FONT=helvetica, arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]It has 2 different range. [/FONT]

For MR/LR, It's Barak-8. Navy-70Km and IAF/IA - 100Km+, Deal already finalised 2-3 years back.
India buys upgraded Israeli air defences for $1.1bn | Reuters

 

[plugwater]

SpyDer means combo on Python and Derby Missile. It has 2 different range.

For MR/LR, It's Barak-8. Navy-70Km and IAF/IA - 100Km+, Deal already finalised 2-3 years back.
India buys upgraded Israeli air defences for $1.1bn | Reuters

Spyder we ordered does not have range more than 20 km.

100km is still MR, just because we named it as Barak LR does not make it LR.

For long range(120-300km), we might float a new tender soon.

 

[Galaxy]

You are mixing up Ballistic missile defence with Air defence. both works differently.

S-300 is BMD and so AAD/PDV with different range. What's your point ?

 

[Galaxy]

Spyder we ordered does not have range more than 20 km.

100km is still MR, just because we named it as Barak LR does not make it LR.

For long range(120-300km), we might float a new tender soon.

It's not, LR SAM was already finalised 2-3 years back.

Do you think, We finalised deal worth 1.1 Bn $ that also few years back for few MRSAM for few warships only ??

It's already finalised and it will take another 5-7 years to be completely inducted.

 

[plugwater]

S-300 is BMD and so AAD/PDV with different range. What's your point ?

S-300 is not for BMD, its mainly for aircrafts but it can intercept missiles.

AAD/PDV are for missile, they are useless agaisnt aircrafts.

 

[Galaxy]

14-December, 2009 13:22 IST
Joint development of missiles
/LOK SABHA/


Procurement of defence items including missiles is made from various indigenous as well as foreign sources including Israel in accordance with the well laid down defence procurement procedure. This is a continuous process undertaken for the modernization of the Armed Forces to keep them in a state of readiness to meet any eventuality.


Defence Research Development Organization (DRDO) has undertaken joint development of missiles, Long Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LRSAM) for Indian navy and Medium Range Surface to Air Missile (MRSAM) for Indian Air Force with M/s Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI), Israel. The cost of project for LRSAM is Rs. 2606.02 crore and cost of project for MRSAM is Rs. 10075 crore. Both the missiles being developed are comparable in performance and cost to missiles available in their class in the world market.


This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri Asaduddin Owaisi in Lok Sabha today.

Press Information Bureau English Releases

 

[plugwater]

It's not, LR SAM was already finalised 2-3 years back.

Do you think, We finalised deal worth 1.1 Bn $ for few MRSAM for few warships ??

It's already finalised and it will take another 5-7 years to be completely inducted.

We are finalized for 100km range missiles i.e. Barak LR. But 100km do not come under LR category.

For more than 100km we will go for some other missiles in market.

 

[plugwater]

14-December, 2009 13:22 IST
Joint development of missiles
/LOK SABHA/
Procurement of defence items including missiles is made from various indigenous as well as foreign sources including Israel in accordance with the well laid down defence procurement procedure. This is a continuous process undertaken for the modernization of the Armed Forces to keep them in a state of readiness to meet any eventuality.


Defence Research Development Organization (DRDO) has undertaken joint development of missiles, Long Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LRSAM) for Indian navy and Medium Range Surface to Air Missile (MRSAM) for Indian Air Force with M/s Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI), Israel. The cost of project for LRSAM is Rs. 2606.02 crore and cost of project for MRSAM is Rs. 10075 crore. Both the missiles being developed are comparable in performance and cost to missiles available in their class in the world market.


This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri Asaduddin Owaisi in Lok Sabha today.

Press Information Bureau English Releases

Tell me what are we going to do for more than 100km range, names are nothing.

 

[Galaxy]

S-300 is not for BMD, its mainly for aircrafts but it can intercept missiles.

AAD/PDV are for missile, they are useless agaisnt aircrafts.

It is for BMD as well.

AAD/PDV is mainly for BM.

So why we will need S-300 when we already have deal/development for Air defence/SAM & BM respectively for all ranges ?

 

[Galaxy]

Tell me what are we going to do for more than 100km range, names are nothing.

For same like SpyDer but long range.

Anyway, 3 Bn$ for MR/LR SAM is already finalised and it's in under-development phase.

There is nothing better proof that this... Source.