Indian Army MRSAM

[Payeng]

Around 2-3 minutes.

I wonder how the S-300 would perform in a real time Battle field as it takes 5 mins to make a launch ( note : cold launch)

 

[plugwater]

1st Kolkatta Class detroyer will be inducted next year only. 2nd in 2013 and 3rd one in 2014. Barak-8 will be fitted with these warships in 2013 onwards.

There is nothing called Cheap and Best

Chacko in BR mentioned about the delay, i ll try to find the link.

 

[pankaj nema]

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There is nothing called Cheap and Best

We NEITHER look for the Best or the Cheapest

Our purchases are a complex set of factors

Price and Quality are only preliminary considerations

JV , TOT ,Suitability to Indian Climatic Conditions
Need and Urgency of the new purchase , Licence production and NOW offsets

 

[Payeng]

Type 52C got the HHQ-9 SAMs similar to S-300, maybe Indian Pilot play a hide and seek game with the Destroyers till it heat up and waste all its missiles
Last minute exist from danger zone while the canisters are being heated for a launch.

 

[agentperry]

the reason given by drdo on the purchase is that aad and akash have bad performance, then why the hell joint development, when an agency can not develop a missile within given time-frame and cost then why the hell it should be given a second chance with very well know extortionist israel. there should be simple purchase and nothing else.

and if drdo said that aad and akash are sub-standard then it should be penalized and stripped off many projects, funding and status that it gets. it lied to the nation and to the forces.

we blame forces for rejecting drdo but its virus within

 

[LETHALFORCE]

when scientists and engineers at DRDO are working on something for years and the government buys a foreign system how enthusiastic will they be??

 

[Galaxy]

Lethal....

Small addition......

when scientists and engineers at DRDO or working on something for years and at end they are unsuccessful or too much of delay and such defence requirement is immediate then government buys a foreign system.

 

[agentperry]

Lethal....

Small addition......

when scientists and engineers at DRDO or working on something for years and at end they are unsuccessful or too much of delay and such defence requirement is immediate then government buys a foreign system.

when govt gives peanut to them to grow a watermelon out of it. then its govt's fault.
nobody wanted to work in drdo, i think the main aim of a well qualified scientist in 70s, 80s and 90s was to get out India ASAP.
with what all they had and the neglect from govt's part. they are now on right track.
missiles are rolling out in 3 years or so. missile tech and other things are getting mature.

moreover it is to be seen that an IAF officer was involved in lobbying for israel missile, he might have included drdo guys into it, after all MONEY

 

[Galaxy]

when govt gives peanut to them to grow a watermelon out of it. then its govt's fault.
nobody wanted to work in drdo, i think the main aim of a well qualified scientist in 70s, 80s and 90s was to get out India ASAP.
with what all they had and the neglect from govt's part. they are now on right track.
missiles are rolling out in 3 years or so. missile tech and other things are getting mature.

moreover it is to be seen that an IAF officer was involved in lobbying for israel missile, he might have included drdo guys into it, after all MONEY

I agree.

We ordered SpyDer because our Akash took 10-15 years for 1st squadron. (Still few years left for few squadron/regiment). MoD don't have option other than purchase from other countries.

Although things are changing, Still delay is the main reason for foreign acquisition.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

People, you need to understand the sanctions India had for decades in terms of critical technology. What DRDO has achieved indigineously still, is something to be proud of. I agree with Spark though, that professionalism should be given more attention.

Who put sanction on USA, UK, France or Germany? Yet they come up with technology on their own?

 

[Godless-Kafir]

I Would not call DRDO A failed Organization after what they have delivered in last 1-2 year's - that was sheer hard work ! one cannot blame DRDO entirely here , Our Policies needed to be Criticized.We need to bring in Private sector to reduce stress on DRDO/HAL and this is need of the time with growing Defence Equipment need in the country and need of more production facilities so that those equipments can be delivered on time.

we are still a developing Defence industry , More investment is needed in Defence Industry to keep up the growth.Coming back to DRDO's Success/Failure story
I Would like to mention some of DRDO's success in last Few year's
Agni-3 - Entered Production
Agni 4 - Successfully tested
Shourya and Sagarika - Entered Production
Prahaar - Success
BMD - Successful test's of PAD and AAD , Missile's for phase II under development.

and the Much awaited test of Agni V This month for which they have worked so hard.Failure's are part of Life, even the American's and Russian's had a Long list of Failure's but they converted them into Success story , today being developed defence Industries.

DRDO has achieved This success partially on their own and Partially with help of Foreign help but this will change as we move forward.

I already told you that we should leave out the missile program, there are some successes in that. Even then the Agni-V is as big as Topol-M but travels only less than half the distance. That to in a way is not a great leap of success.

 

[sayareakd]

Two things, first of all you cannot compare us with west, they have head start, we just started now (we are walking now while others are running), plus no one gives strategic technology (only exception is reactor help in ATV, that too we paid top $$$ for that after so so many years). Second DRDO has mostly done (successfully) things which are in denial list for us, so we have no other option, but to make it ourself. Now with super computers and experience things are must better after denial, sanctions and blacklisting period. BTW just for records, drdo is doing lot of good things on various projects which are not in public, since in past these projects have suffered a lot with sanctions, thus resulted in delay, therefore present policy is unless the project has mature enough so that sanctions cannot delay it they are not making it public.

 

[Nirvana]

Even if metal is denied for makeing a tank for 40years you can still come up with a tank. This is a bogus excuse and does not stand for scrutiny.

I Said one of the reason behind the failure of Arjun !! we never had a Industrial base here , More than 50 % of Arjun's Component were Foreign made while it went under Production in 90's show's the failure of DRDO.I Will agree to it

But You can't call DRDO a failed Organization you need to blame the Political system equally here

 

[Godless-Kafir]

I Said one of the reason behind the failure of Arjun !! we never had a Industrial base here , More than 50 % of Arjun's Component were Foreign made while it went under Production in 90's show's the failure of DRDO.I Will agree to it

But You can't call DRDO a failed Organization you need to blame the Political system equally here

DRDO itself is a complete fail if you leave out some missiles. When a nation of one billion buys guns from a nation like Israel which has the population of one village in India, we need to be much more harsh with the questions we ask of our leaders.

There is a need for grooming private local industry which is not taken up seriously in India.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

drdp just like india is a developing institution which is gaining more and more knowledge,experience and maturity as days pass

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Listing out some sucesses of DRDO.

1)IRBMs? Agni series.

2)SRBM Pritivie

3)Ships (Shivalik class etc.,)

4)??

Anything else you can think off?

 

[Godless-Kafir]

drdp just like india is a developing institution which is gaining more and more knowledge,experience and maturity as days pass

All that is fine but why buy some ridiculously small stuff like Rifles from Israel or Singapore? What level must you achieve to make a gun for the IA?

 

[Nirvana]

DRDO itself is a complete fail if you leave out some missiles. When a nation of one billion buys guns from a nation like Israel which has the population of one village in India, we need to be much more harsh with the questions we ask of our leaders.

There is a need for grooming private local industry which is not taken up seriously in India.

That's what i said

Our Policies needed to be Criticized.We need to bring in Private sector to reduce stress on DRDO/HAL and this is need of the time with growing Defence Equipment need in the country

So directly the blame goes to our Govt Policies here !! I Think DRDO is against Privatization of Defence Industry - they may lose their share under such Situation they need to be more Professional

But Calling DRDO a Complete Failed firm is bit too much when they have equipped the country with Strategic Assest's that have formed base Line of our defence

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Two things, first of all you cannot compare us with west, they have head start, we just started now (we are walking now while others are running), plus no one gives strategic technology (only exception is reactor help in ATV, that too we paid top $$$ for that after so so many years). Second DRDO has mostly done (successfully) things which are in denial list for us, so we have no other option, but to make it ourself. Now with super computers and experience things are must better after denial, sanctions and blacklisting period. BTW just for records, drdo is doing lot of good things on various projects which are not in public, since in past these projects have suffered a lot with sanctions, thus resulted in delay, therefore present policy is unless the project has mature enough so that sanctions cannot delay it they are not making it public.

Name a few success apart from Missiles.

 

[Param]

drdp just like india is a developing institution which is gaining more and more knowledge,experience and maturity as days pass

This has been the situation for 65 years.

I too used to think like a typical Jingo what's the reason for the present mess from politics, economy to defence research.
I found out the answer but I better not say it.