Indian Army MRSAM

[Payeng]

S-300 is BMD and so AAD/PDV with different range. What's your point ?

For intercepting a Ballistic projectile the radar detects and calculate the path of decent and the missile is fired to intercept the target in a calculated path, While for an Anti aircraft missile the missile seeks and chase the target for a kill.

S-300 have limited BMD capabilities due to a high power radar and maybe due to some pilot guidance. But Anti ballistic missile are not designed to hunt-chase-kill. but to intercept the missile as per the calculation of her projected trajectory of decent or path of ballistic projectile.

 

[plugwater]

It is for BMD as well.

But its mainly for aircrafts. Its interception altitude is like 30km or something.

AAD/PDV is mainly for BM.

It is for BM only, it is useless against aircrafts.

So why we will need BMD when we already have deal/development for Air defence/SAM & BM respectively ?

You are twisting the entire discussion. You are confused between BMD and anti AC missiles.

 

[Galaxy]

India and Israel to Test the Jointly Produced Barak-8 Missiles in February 2012

 

[plugwater]

For same like SpyDer but long range.

Anyway, 3 Bn$ for MR/LR SAM is already finalised and it's in under-development phase.

There is nothing better proof that this... Source.

Inshallah!! 100 km is not a LR SAMs.

 

[pankaj nema]

Guys please this thread should not " GO BALLISTIC "

It is a nice thread to learn about the various SAMs ABMs etc

 

[Galaxy]

But its mainly for aircrafts. Its interception altitude is like 30km or something.


It is for BM only, it is useless against aircrafts.

So why we will need BMD when we already have deal/development for Air defence/SAM & BM respectively ?[

You are twisting the entire discussion. You are confused between BMD and anti AC missiles.

Well, S-300 is more like LR SAM with BM capability. We already have 8 units operational.

Not to forget, Barak-8 and AAD/PDV both are under-development phase and both will be operational in next few years. We will have different system for different purpose.

If AAD/PDV is crap (I don't know), Then we should buy S-400/500 or Arrow-3 why S-300 ?

Why we have signed deal worth 3 Bn $ for LR SAM ??

 

[Payeng]

For intercepting a Ballistic projectile the radar detects and calculate the path of decent and the missile is fired to intercept the target in a calculated path, While for an Anti aircraft missile the missile seeks and chase the target for a kill.

S-300 have limited BMD capabilities due to a high power radar and maybe due to some pilot guidance. But Anti ballistic missile are not designed to hunt-chase-kill. but to intercept the missile as per the calculation of her projected trajectory of decent or path of ballistic projectile.

Eh..complicated, let me try it in simple during terminal stage the thrusters or the thrust vectors of an ABM might do hundreds of calculations to hit the target at pin point as deviated by the unpredictable atmosphere.

For a Anti aircraft missile it is not the corrections but the maneuverability that decides the faith of its mission.

 

[Galaxy]

We have to understand one thing, We had already finalised SAM (SR/MR/LR) and ABM after years of negotiation/R&D. So, we can't buy new system.

S-300 system is excellent. But what purpose it will serve for us ??

S-300 range is 75-100 Km. For that purpose, we already have 3 Bn $ Barak-8 deal JV with Israel. Same range, same purpose except BMD and for BMD we already developing AAD/PDV and operational even before Barak- 8 (2014-15).

 

[plugwater]

Well, S-300 is more like LR SAM with BM capability. We already have 8 units operational.

Not to forget, Barak-8 and AAD/PDV both are under-development phase and both will be operational in next few years. We will have different system for different purpose.

If AAD/PDV is crap (I don't know), Then we should buy S-400/500 or Arrow-3 why S-300 ?

Why we have signed deal worth 3 Bn $ for LR SAM ??

S-300 is old and we need something new for those ranges. S-500 if offered

Barak LR/MR/8/ER are all have range 70 to 120 kms, not more than that. Just because we are calling them long range does not make them one. LR is like 150-300km.

When did i say AAD/PDV are crap? I said they suck/useless against aircrafts not in BMD role.

S-500 would be awesome, if drdo can make a derivative of PDV for anti AC role means we are pretty settled in all ranges.

 

[Payeng]

Galaxy AAD/PDV is not a crap , though I hate the fatso PDV but it got a fantastic 3rd stage, I could have changed the fatso PDV with a Shaurya type design anytime 8)

 

[Galaxy]

Galaxy AAD/PDV is not a crap , though I hate the fatso PDV but it got a fantastic 3rd stage, I could have changed the fatso PDV with a Shaurya type design anytime 8)

Lol, I am not saying Crap. If it will be operational as per expected line. It could be excellent. Let see !!

 

[plugwater]

We have to understand one thing, We had already finalised SAM (SR/MR/LR) and ABM after years of negotiation/R&D. So, we can't buy new system.

S-300 system is excellent. But what purpose it will serve for us ??

S-300 range is 75-100 Km. For that purpose, we already have 3 Bn $ Barak-8 deal JV with Israel. Same range, same purpose - BMD and for BMD (we already developing AAD/PDV and operational even before Barak- 8 .

S-300's range is much more than that. It helps us to intercept AC in very long ranges.

Our deal with IAI can anytime go down the drain!! Case is still under investigation.

 

[Galaxy]

S-300 is old and we need something new for those ranges. S-500 if offered

Barak LR/MR/8/ER are all have range 70 to 120 kms, not more than that. Just because we are calling them long range does not make them one. LR is like 150-300km.

When did i say AAD/PDV are crap? I said they suck/useless against aircrafts not in BMD role.

S-500 would be awesome, if drdo can make a derivative of PDV for anti AC role means we are pretty settled in all ranges.

Well, I agree on the point that S-500 makes difference as range is 300 Km++. Not sure, What MoD will do. or may be we already finalised like we bought S-300 long back.

But once we deploy Barak-8 at Western & NE Border, We can destroy any UAV/Cruise Missiles/Aircraft before it enters our territories.

But anyway, S-500 is an excellent system with great range. It's under-development and won't be operational before 2015-2016. Hope we buy this system too. 8)

 

[pankaj nema]

Our deal with IAI can anytime go down the drain!! Case is still under investigation.

Please never believe this crap of " Investigations " derailing a defence NEED

We are always deliberately putting out confusing stories about defence purchases

Secondly we are technology deficient and hungry and which ever supplier is ready for JV we JUMP at it

So most likely we are GETTING new technical knowledge from the Israelis in Barak 8 LR SAM

And with china breathing down our necks
CBI CVC will not be allowed to tamper with defence preparedness

 

[Galaxy]

S-300's range is much more than that. It helps us to intercept AC in very long ranges.

Our deal with IAI can anytime go down the drain!! Case is still under investigation.

That was different project and not this one.

Even few testing already done in last 1 year and next year, There will be few test in India. By 2013, Barak-8 will be operational with Kolkatta Class destroyer.

Israel is very reliable partner. They are providing some of the best techs like Phalcon, UAV, SpyDer, Barak-8, and more.

 

[Payeng]

Guys how much time it would take for a Mach 2 aircraft to cover 100 kms?

 

[plugwater]

Please never believe this crap of " Investigations " derailing a defence NEED

We are always deliberately putting out confusing stories about defence purchases

Secondly we are technology deficient and hungry and which ever supplier is ready for JV we JUMP at it

So most likely we are GETTING new technical knowledge from the Israelis in Barak 8 LR SAM

And with china breathing down our necks
CBI CVC will not be allowed to tamper with defence preparedness

CBI or MoF do not care about our defence preparedness or anything.

what happened to midair refuelers and Artillery ?

 

[Galaxy]

Guys how much time it would take for a Mach 2 aircraft to cover 100 kms?

Around 2-3 minutes.

 

[plugwater]

That was different project and not this one.

Even few testing already done in last 1 year and next year, There will be few test in India. By 2013, Barak-8 will be operational with Kolkatta Class destroyer.

Israel is very reliable partner. They are providing some of the best techs like Phalcon, UAV, SpyDer, Barak-8, and more.

First Kolkata class destroyer's induction delayed to 2015.

Israel weaponry is costly but they do give us the best.

 

[Galaxy]

First Kolkata class destroyer's induction delayed to 2015.

Israel weaponry is costly but they do give us the best.

1st Kolkatta Class detroyer will be inducted next year only. 2nd in 2013 and 3rd one in 2014. Barak-8 will be fitted with these warships in 2013 onwards.


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