Indian Army Artillery

[bengalraider]

Hows thats even possible,just wow, i forgot that i had complete drawings of bofors gun . i mean no words to describe this stupidity, what else have they "forgotten" .

One more thing that i know of is the rest of the 4 HDW submarines(shishumar class), we were licensed to build 8 boats out of which only four were ever made!Though the Pokharan blasts and ensuing sanctions also had an effect on the curtailment of this deal.

 

[Tuco]

One more thing that i know of is the rest of the 4 HDW submarines(shishumar class), we were licensed to build 8 boats out of which only four were ever made!Though the Pokharan blasts and ensuing sanctions also had an effect on the curtailment of this deal.

If we had used this tot by know we would have been in a respectable position,its really difficult to digest these things.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

DRDO and OFB must give serous consideration of using 155mm/45cal in Bhim..

Bhim have every thing except the barrel..

Hope they thought of it..

 

[Tuco]

DRDO and OFB must give serous consideration of using 155mm/45cal in Bhim..

Bhim have every thing except the barrel..

Hope they thought of it..

Was tot complete including metallurgy and also the ammunitions

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Was tot complete including metallurgy and also the ammunitions

The tot of auto loading, FCS which feature Multiple hit simultaneously impact was done, Ammo is same as used in 39cal just charge bag is increased, The system is 90% ready except the gun, In this case 155mm/45cal can be used..

 

[SPIEZ]

Is there any chance of seeing a self-developed artillery gun even with Transfer of Technology in India????

 

[bhramos]

Is there any chance of seeing a self-developed artillery gun even with Transfer of Technology in India????

how will Indigenous Gun have TOT.....
there is no need for that,
i think This deal will not go through untill Indian Gun comes out.......
so whats status of DRDO's Gun.......

 

[SPIEZ]

how will Indigenous Gun have TOT.....
there is no need for that,
i think This deal will not go through untill Indian Gun comes out.......
so whats status of DRDO's Gun.......

In the past Indigenous developments were claimed questionable by the CAG, for eg : Arjun tank, HAL dhruv: 50% imported.

I am asking if they will be able to develop an artillery gun given both ToT and research requirements??????

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Is there any chance of seeing a self-developed artillery gun even with Transfer of Technology in India????

BEML was given tot of 52cal gun by Slovakian, Slovakian proposed wheeled based 155MM SPGH licensed..

The chasis is same as Indian tatra, Their is no issue of Logistics..
But no News yet..

 

[bhramos]

Indian Army may revive Bofors howitzers

 

[Kunal Biswas]

[h=1]Indian Army desperately needs modern artillery[/h] Army's artillery modernisation drive has taken a major hit. The Army's last major artillery buy was in the 1980s when they bought about 400 FH-77 guns from Bofors, Sweden.Just when a contract for 120 self-propelled (SP) guns on tank tracks and 180 wheeled SP 155mm guns was about to be concluded after years of protracted trials, Denel, the South African arms manufacturer and a leading contender for the contract, was alleged to have been involved in a corruption scam in an earlier deal for anti-material rifles (AMRs). Since, the other two howitzers in contention, from Soltam of Israel and BAE Systems, reportedly did not meet the criteria, the Army recommended fresh trials.

In January 2008, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) issued three global tenders for 155mm guns and howitzers for the mountains, the plains and self-propelled guns for the deserts. The Defence Acquisitions Council (DAC) of MoD had earlier approved the procurement of 1,580 guns in 2007 and an RFP issued within the first quarter of 2008. It was issued to eight manufacturers including BAE Systems, General Dynamics, Nexter (France), Rhinemetall (Germany), Samsung (South Korea) and ST Kinetics. The guns of BAE Systems and ST Kinetics were shortlisted. But since ST Kinetics came under the scanner for some wrongdoings, the RFP was cancelled.


The DAC had also approved the procurement of 145 light-weight towed 155mm, 39-calibre howitzers in 2006 and an RFP was issued to ten global vendors in 2008. ST Kinetics was the only one to submit a technical and commercial offer for its Pegasus Light Weight Howitzer. As it became a single-vendor situation, the MoD initiated the procurement of light-weight howitzers through the direct Foreign Military Sale (FMS) route from the US government. Trials of the US BAE Systems M777 A1 howitzer were held in the Pokhran range and reportedly trials were held in the mountains of Sikkim too. But a sudden report leak case, which the Army is probing, has since held up the matter.


Since the Bofors 155mm Howitzer was introduced into service, the indigenous designed and manufactured 105 mm Indian Field Gun (IFG) the Light Field Gun (LFG), inducted further back, also need replacement. Approximately 180 pieces of 130mm M46 Russian medium guns have been successfully "up-gunned" to 155mm calibre with Israeli help. The new barrel length of 45-calibres has enhanced the range of the gun to about 40 km with extended range ammunition.


It was recently found out that the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) was sitting on the drawings of the FH-77 guns which came with the Bofors' deal - and this when the Army has been keeping about 300 of the old guns fit by cannibalising the other 100 pieces. OFB has now been asked by MoD to build six prototypes within 18 months.However, the Army's artillery power has received a major shot in the arm by progressive induction of modern rocket artillery systems. Two regiments of the 12-tube, 300mm Smerch multi-barrel rocket launcher (MBRL) system have been raised. The Russian system has a 90 km range and has massively added to the true long range firepower of the Army. Extended range (ER) rockets have enhanced the 122 mm Grad MBRL's range from 22 to about 40 km.


The indigenous Pinaka MBRL system has also added to the Army's firepower. The system had first proved its mettle in Kargil War where it successfully neutralised enemy positions. The Army has inducted three Pinaka regiments till date while more are likely to be inducted between now and 2017. Each Pinaka regiment typically consists of three batteries with each battery comprising six 12-tube launchers. A full battery salvo of 72 rockets in 44 seconds can neutralise one square km of area. A few sources say India already has inducted as many as 80 of these systems. The Pinaka will be operated in conjunction with the Indian Army's Firefinder radars and indigenously developed BEL Weapon Locating Radar of which 28 are on order. The Indian Army is networking all its artillery units together with the DRDO's Artillery Command & Control System (ACCS), which acts as a force multiplier. The ACCS is now in series production. The Pinaka units will also be able to make use of the Indian Army's SATA (Surveillance & Target Acquisition) Units which have been beefed up substantially throughout the late 1990s, with the induction of the Searcher-1, Searcher-2 and IAI Heron UAVs into the Indian Army as well as the purchase of a large number of both Israeli made and Indian-made Battle Field Surveillance radars. These have also been coupled with purchases of the Israeli LORROS (Long Range Observation and Sighting System) which is ideally suited for long range day/night surveillance.


Induction of the Brahmos cruise missile and Prithvi ballistic missile systems has re-affirmed the Army's battlefield domination ambitions. With modern infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) and armoured personnel carriers (APCs) joining the force every year and the Army in the process of augmenting its flying gunship force levels, it is the necessary induction of between 3000 and 4000 pieces of towed and self-propelled artillery that can really hamper the 1.1-million strong Army's progress on the battlefield. The Army has recently beefed up its mountain warfare force by inducting two new mountain divisions or about 30000 terrain-fighting soldiers.

:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

 

[Armand2REP]

India Cancels Wheeled Howitzer Purchase

India Cancels Wheeled Howitzer Purchase

By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI
Published: 1 Nov 2011

NEW DELHI - The Indian Defence Ministry has canceled the tender to purchase 180 wheeled 155mm/52-caliber howitzers, another in a series of setbacks for the long-delayed Army program.

The Indian Army has failed to induct a single 155mm howitzer since 1987.

Defence Ministry sources said the purchase of the wheeled guns is being canceled following complaints to Defence Minister A.K. Antony about technical snags that came to light when a gun from one of the competitors, Konstrukta of Slovakia, burst during trials last year.

Currently Rheinmetall of Germany and Konstrukta are in the race for the $1 billion wheeled gun competition after Samsung of South Korea was eliminated from the procurement process in 2009.

After the howitzer burst during the trials last year, a Defence Ministry committee concluded the guns offered by Rheinmetall and Konstrukta are prototypes that are not in use even in their home countries.

In 2008, the tender for the wheeled guns was sent to the U.K.'s BAE Systems; Slovakia's Konstrukta; France's Nexter; IMI and Soltam of Israel; Samsung of South Korea; United Defense of the U.S.; Rheinmetall of Germany; and Rosoboronexport of Russia.

Only Rheinmetall, Konstrukta and Samsung were shortlisted after the technical evaluations.

The Indian Army requires that the wheeled 155mm/52-caliber guns be able to travel up to 40 kilometers and fire 150 rounds of ammunition in six to eight hours.

The gun should be able to operate day and night and receive data from the command post in digital and audio form.

The howitzer procurement is already delayed by more than 10 years, mainly due to India's blacklisting first of Denel of South Africa and then Singapore Technologies in 2008 because of alleged corruption.

The Army plans to buy 145 ultralight howitzers, 158 towed and wheeled, 100 tracked and 180 wheeled and armored guns in the first phase of its program to upgrade its artillery divisions.
Towed Guns

In May, BAE Systems opted out of the towed howitzer competition because the Indian Army changed requirements in the reissued tender of early 2011.

The Army's 2008 attempt to acquire the towed guns failed when BAE, which had fielded the FH-77B-5 gun, became the sole vendor after the other shortlisted competitor, Singapore Technologies, was blacklisted following allegations of corruption by India's Central Bureau of Investigation. The Army could not make an award if only one bidder qualified.
Light Howitzer

The purchase of light howitzers from BAE's U.S. subsidiary also was delayed when Singapore Technologies went to court and challenged the decision, claiming its gun was superior.

The Indian court has not issued a decision, although the Army strongly favors the immediate purchase of the 147 BAE light howitzers, Army officials said.

India Cancels Wheeled Howitzer Purchase - Defense News

 

[W.G.Ewald]

The Indian Army requires that the wheeled 155mm/52-caliber guns be able to travel up to 40 kilometers and fire 150 rounds of ammunition in six to eight hours.

The gun should be able to operate day and night and receive data from the command post in digital and audio form.

Self-propelled, then. How many in an IA battery?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

CAESAR self-propelled howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Panter Howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[pmaitra]

I would root for Panzerhaubitze 2000 simply because they are made by reputed companies like Krauss-Maffei Wegmann and Rheinmetall. They have their issues with dust and overheating, so they will probably not be useful (and perhaps not needed) in the deserts of Rajasthan. They will, however, be very useful in the cooler heights of the Himalayas on the Indo-Tibetan border.

These are war tested machines and have tracked locomotion, unlike wheeled locomotion. Wheels have the advantage of speed while tracks are more off-road capable. If used in the hills, they will anyways have some speed limitations. The question is whether we have roads wide enough to accommodate such machines.

Panzerhaubitze 2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Yusuf]

And The curse of Bofors continues.

I once saw on future weapons a Swedish SPH. I think it was this or may be its next gen

Archer Artillery System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Armand2REP]

You can always buy Iranian howitzer, hand crank and all.

 

[Param]

You can always buy Iranian howitzer, hand crank and all.

Maybe we should. I am just tired of waiting to see new 155mm howitzers for so many years now.Maybe the Army should just say they don't want 155mm Howitzers anymore

 

[SPIEZ]

Maybe we should. I am just tired of waiting to see new 155mm howitzers for so many years now.Maybe the Army should just say they don't want 155mm Howitzers anymore

Well than don't worry, we have the ToT for the Bofors FH77. We might see a working model in 18 months time.