Rifled gun is liked by IA and they wanted to see it on MK2 as well ..
And I find that rather weird because it just doesn't make any sense??I mean why would they do that, why would they wanna cling on to the outdated stuffs when more modern, cheaper and simpler to produce and above all, outright better alternatives are almost readily available??Does it originate from their love for legacy stuffs, I hope it isn't because if that's indeed the case, then I'm afraid it's pretty, in fact a stupendously stupid practice to follow, in such a line of business they are into.
I mean, show me one modern tank, just one barring Arjun, where the developers or the users decided to go for a rifled gun over a smooth barrel one.
Just name one modern tank, that's all I wanna hear from you, Sir.
I just don't understand, why are you people so hell bent on proving everything that comes out of our stable has to be a world-beater, when the facts speak otherwise??Why are you trying so hard to defend the indefensible??Why is it so hard to admit that our army made a wrong decision by going with an outdated gun??What purpose it serves you guys, because if it does, I'm really having a hard time seeing it!!
Ok, just forget all these, forget all these 'stupid, emotional rants' of questions.Just show me one merit, one good reason for retaining an outdated gun??Just......just show me one freaking advantage a rifled gun holds over a smooth barrel one, just freaking one and I promise I'll stop my 'rants' once and for all.
PS - Please do not bring in the small arms or heavy machine guns or AAA or tube artillery to justify your views, because we are talking about tank guns here.
The ammunition is better than that of BM42 mango imported from Russian for Russian tanks used by Indian Army ..
You speak as if that is some achievement, beating a round by an inch, which was designed way back in the early 80s!!Actually, we aren't even sure if that is true since the MkI penetrator is actually much shorter than the BM 42 penetrators!!
By the way, BM 42 is the designation for the penetrator where as the actual round, which you are reffering, is designated as 3BM 44, just as the BM 42M being the designation of the penetrator used in the 3BM 44M Lekalo rounds.
Now coming back to Arjun's ammo, there is no way the old MkI could achieve 500+ mm penetration at a distance of 2000 meter at 0 degree vertical angle, it's pretty much impossible.And before anyone decides to post the ARDE posters, I've already seen them, so please don't bother, I know what they have gotta to say and I just don't buy it!!Why - because as a general rule of thumb, a round's penetration value will always be 10-15% lower than the actual length of the rod itself and the rod in the MkI is at best 380 mm long, so it's practically impossible for it to achieve something like what's been claimed....................unless, our guys in the ARDE has managed to develop some miracle heavy alloy, straight out of some science fiction book.Heck, by that standard, MkI isn't even at the early 80's level!!
Both the Mango and Pronit (aka IMI CL MkII) packs longer rods with higher L: D ratio than our MkI does, yet they barely achieve 500 mm at 2000 meter at a muzzle velocity of around 1700 meter/second, so I don't see how on earth the existing round, with a shorter, fatter, lighter and slower moving rod can achieve the same level of performance!!After all, it's not some magic we are talking about, are we??
And as for the supposed MkII, even that would fare little better, as I've already pointed out, simply because again, its vastly shorter and fatter (thicker would be the right term, I know) penetrator rod, compared to even the Chinese APFSDS rounds, which by the way aren't that much impressive themselves!!So yeah, Arjun having better firepower than, I don't know, anything out there, anything of relevance that is, would be simply akin to stretching the facts too far, I mean really really ridiculously far.................and that's saying something!!
