Indian Army Armored Vehicles

[JBH22]

Don`t tell me this, Tell this to those family member who have lost there kins in those junks in peace time ..

And do ask the how is Arjun doing to members of 43rd Armoured Regiment & 75th Armoured Regiment ..

T-72 barrels burst because of faulty spare parts. The product in itself if adequately serviced are decent ones.

Afaik no T-90 has experienced any blast or nasty thing. correct me if I'm wrong

Unfortunately Army has not even given an inch of info how the Arjun MK1 is performing in the 43rd and 75th Armoured Regiment.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The barrels made by OFB as well as Russians onces, OFB barrels were faulty and Russian were over used hence explode ..

Early batches of Indian Made T-90 use those same barrels, They are just time bomb waiting to explode ..

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If you meaning of Army is media, Which is nothing but paid mouthpiece then you never knew anything abt Arjuns in operation ..

I suggest you to talk to professionals ( Those who are involve in the regiment or Arjun ) directly to know things in details ..

T-72 barrels burst because of faulty spare parts. The product in itself if adequately serviced are decent ones.

Afaik no T-90 has experienced any blast or nasty thing. correct me if I'm wrong

Unfortunately Army has not even given an inch of info how the Arjun MK1 is performing in the 43rd and 75th Armoured Regiment.

 

[ghost]

The barrels made by OFB as well as Russians onces, OFB barrels were faulty and Russian were over used hence explode ..

Early batches of Indian Made T-90 use those same barrels, They are just time bomb waiting to explode ..

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If you meaning of Army is media, Which is nothing but paid mouthpiece then you never knew anything abt Arjuns in operation ..

I suggest you to talk to professionals ( Those who are involve in the regiment or Arjun ) directly to know things in details ..

There are reason for not inducting arjun in large number and why we depend on t90 and no it's not because of corruption.
Go through these articles they are perfect to end this debate of why t90 over arjun

Livefist: India's Arjun Mk.2 Tank Revealed

Livefist: Reloaded Arjun Killed At Birth?

Although one can debate on the weight issue as all the major tanks in the world are of arjun weight category.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I have debated in very great details, In past and broken such claims ...

You should give a look at Arjun thread both MK1 & 2 ..

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Regarding weight, Indian Made T-90 are nearly 52-55tons compare to 48-49ton of Russian counterparts, This is due to Kanchan Armour ..

Due to this weight it has much more higher ground pressure than those Russian made, Further to make point, Arjun has much better ground pressure than those Russian made and much- much better than Indian made T-90 ..

There are reason for not inducting arjun in large number and why we depend on t90 and no it's not because of corruption.
Go through these articles they are perfect to end this debate of why t90 over arjun

Livefist: India's Arjun Mk.2 Tank Revealed

Livefist: Reloaded Arjun Killed At Birth?

Although one can debate on the weight issue as all the major tanks in the world are of arjun weight category.

 

[p2prada]

There is no reasons to go to such lengths to defend an import that is clearly inferior and unreliable as has been proven multiple times, by denying or ignoring all the information showing this
The Arjun was ready for production by 1995. The T-90 import was *never* needed.
Beware of people who post in our forums enthusiastically promoting foreign imports. The Arms lobby "facilitating" these things is very lucrative.

It has been well established on this very forum that the T-90 is a better tank than Arjun is many categories, including better armor, better firepower and better reliability and logistics. Basically, everything that makes a tank.

Arjun was never ready for production in 1995 since it failed trials in 1998.

The only time it was really ready for production was in 2008, but production started a year before because MoD forced the Army to induct it. Arjun cleared all trials only in 2010 though.

T-90 import was very crucial because the Pakistanis had just inducted the T-80s from Ukraine. Arjun is still not a match to the T-80 and in some respects the T-80 is better than the T-90.

 

[p2prada]

People without common sense or ability to research shouldn't even post on this topic. I am referring to only one person here.

Anyway this is news about the T-90's production and was written by Shukla in 2011.
Broadsword: November 2011

But when Business Standard visited HVF last week, the buzz of production work on the shop floors that build the Indian Army's T-90S tank was drawing to a close. Of the one thousand T-90S tanks that the army plans to build in HVF --- and has already paid Russia licence fees for --- HVF has received an indent for just 300 tanks. With that order likely to be completed by mid-2013, and with no follow-on order in sight, the T-90 line will grind to a halt.

HVF says 24 tanks were delivered in 2009-10; 51 in 2010-11; it will be 50 this year; and annual production will hit 100 next year (i.e. 2012-13). But there are no army orders beyond that.

A very important point to note, explaining why the last orders for 700 tanks are still pending.

"The army wants indigenous T-90s to be observed and user confidence built up [before placing a fresh indent]. So far, the users have run only the first batch of 24 tanks, delivered in 2009-10, to the extent where they can properly evaluate their performance. The 51 tanks that we delivered in 2010-11 have yet to be adequately exploited," explains Jain.

I would recommend reading the rest of the article, but most of it is his opinion.

Total tanks in Indian inventory today is nearly 1000 T-90s. Full scale production started years ago.

As of today, it is not clear whether the last order for 700 will be given soon or not. Nor do we know if the new order for 354 T-90MS is related to the pending order for 700 tanks. Overall, we could have 1900+ T-90s by the end of the decade, instead of 1600+.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

If one has specific questions, Do ask, Lets not rant and turn this thread into a garbage ..

 

[p2prada]

Also you have said:

That comment wasn't meant for you.

If you claim to be doing research on this topic as you are advising others to do, you would know well that Arjun was ready by 1995.

No, it wasn't. Arjun failed trials in 1998. Arjun cleared AUCRT trials only in 2008. In 2005 there were 4 engine failures during AUCRT trials and is recorded and made public by the Parliament.

Your claim about it being well established on this very forum that the T-90 is a better tank than Arjun is absolutely false and the opposite is very much true.

Nope. T-90 has better armor, and better placed armor. It is 100% confirmed that even the 1980s ammo for T-90s are better than what's available for Arjun. The gun on T-90 is also more powerful. All of the above is validated already.

An interview with three top army officials on Defence Line also confirmed this. They unanimously believed that the Arjun has reliability issues. They also agree that the T-90's and Arjun's mobility capabilities are not that different. They agree that the T-90 has better night firing capabilities. They believe that the APFSDS rounds are better on the T-90.

Apart from that there are some well known features like T-90 is capable of firing missiles while Arjun Mk2 will be getting that capability whenever it is ready.

The only real issue against the Arjun in all those articles that you post is the weight which Kunal has answered very well.

Pure nonsense. IA wouldn't accept the tank with such gross overweight specifications instead of placing more orders.

Rather Arjun weighs 67 tonnes now even if the goal is to eventually reduce to 64 tonnes.

I hope you follow your own advise about "People without common sense or ability to research shouldn't even post on this topic."

Have always done so.

How about following real news from real people, instead of half-assed news from illegit sources.

 

[p2prada]

This is from Lt Gen Siddu, DGMF.

The T-90 upgrade program:

As the mainstay of the armoured fleet, the T-90 Tank is slated to receive state-of-the-art upgrades to maintain its dominance on any future battlefield. These modernisation schemes include an active protection system, improved Commander's thermal imaging sights providing true 'hunter-killer' capability, an advanced muzzle reference system for retention of zeroing both by day and night and necessary software upgrades to optimise the capabilities of the fire control system. In addition to a modernised digital fire detection and suppression system, the tank will also be fitted with an environmental control system to ensure longevity of sensitive opto-electronic sub-systems. A project for fitment of an auxiliary power unit to enhance 'silent watch' capability and conserve engine life is also under way. As regards digitisation of the future battlefield, we plan to fit the digital control harness. In addition, the Army is considering introduction of a software defined radio (SDR) which will ensure real time data, voice and image transfer. The SDR hierarchy will also support the battlefield management system (BMS) being developed indigenously.

T-72 upgrade:

Tank T-72 comprises the majority of our tank fleet today. These are of 1972 vintage and need to be modernised to enhance their mission reliability. With this in view, we are in the process of replacing the existing engine with a more powerful engine, incorporating an auxiliary power unit, fitting a thermal imaging fire control system for the gunner with suitable night enablement for the driver and commander also. Other upgrades include the digital control harness and modernisation of the fire suppression system. To provide necessary realism to training; simulators for drivers, gunners and an integrated crew simulator for the crew are in various stages of introduction.

The gun barrel will also be the one from T-90.

FMBT:

The FMBT will be an indigenous tank. The development model would be based on the guidelines of the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) and indigenous industry would be involved to the extent possible. All stakeholders would be brought on board as the project progresses.

 

[p2prada]

Anyway, in 2013 we signed a contract for 236 T-90MS tanks for the NE.
MoD gives nod for procuring military planes, battle tanks - The New Indian Express

So, actual order is 236.

That means the file with 354 tanks that was pushed into the MoD must have been for the license production of the T-90S in India. Or it may have been the numbers pushed for and later reduced to 236 tanks. So, indigenous production numbers are still in doubt.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The interview speaks, All three generals praised Arjun capability ..

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About the 345 new tanks >>

"The Army is justified in wanting the T-90MS for the China border. But it is wrong in scuttling the induction of the Arjun in Punjab and J&K. The Arjun must be given a fair chance. How can a Russian tank be given preference over an Indian one?" says a senior armoured corps general who is still in service.

Source : Army scuttles Arjun trials to push through Russian T-90 purchase | Business Standard

Another scam ..

 

[Kay]

We need names and photos of these generals..then a FB page to put them up..

 

[ersakthivel]

So in other way: good marketing and sales menageres in Russia
And this trade whit so many problems for IA was possible only thanks to pointles and too long Arjun program.
In fact Arjun is developing since when -1980s? And what result? Buing T-72M1 Aleya. Ok, Arjun is still developing in whole 1990s, Pakistan bought VERY modern T-80U, so India must buy in 2000s T-90S and countrbalance for Pakistani tanks.
Arjun during whole 2000s is still developing (word long time record was taken here...). Pakistani developed quite good Chineese-Ukrianian-Pakistani Al-Chalid and Al-Chalid1, 2010 India is still without ended Arjun on aceptable level.

Russia dictate sucht trades for India becouse IA have no other option -just buing more and more T-90S as "gap filter".
And all is cause by to long Arjun program.

Not pointless Arjun program by any stretch of imagination!!!!

the IA continued to pile up requirements on DRDO for Arjun for the sole purpose of inducting T-90s in a large number.

Former defence minister george fernandez saw through the gambit and chastised IA for asking full fording requirement all out of a sudden. he strictly asked IA to induct arjun in phased manner first and then ask for improvements in batches.

but the governments that followed them junked this approach,( intentions are not far to seek.) and let Arjun program to be mothballed in various requirement creeps and went in for the faulty T-90 induction in full steam. result is the sorry state of affairs,

Only consolation is pakistani army's imported (T-80 UD )and home made tanks also face the same issues that are faced by T-90. they too won't have functioning electronics in desert summer heat.

Otherwise the Arjun was a far better tank than T-90 and it still is.

You are once again fooling the forum that Al chalid(?!?!) can operate its FCS and night visions and communication electronics in indo-pak desert summer conditions.

Since Pakistani army has no civilian control and CAG audits all of them would have been swept under the carpet with some nice kick backs from the ukraine is the bitter truth that you are avoiding to mention.

no way T-80 UD electronics, FCS and thermal sights can operate in indian dessert summer conditions when T-90 can not do the same even with french thales sights.

Comparing the non operating ejection seats on JF-17 which routinely kills it's pilots couldn't be resolved till today,

i don't know how the chinese-ukranian-pakistani al khalid has the customized tech to overcome summer problems.

only Arjun qualifies as international quality MBT with best in class crew protection, best accurate on the move firing accuracy and hassle free operations of all electronics, FCs and thermal sights thanks to israeli co-operation for years thanks to the same deseert conditions prevailing there.

no wonder that israelis call Arjun a desert ferrari and their tank experts are astonished how IA can treat Arjun in such a step motherly fashion in international conferences.

 

[ersakthivel]

and don't blame T-90S tank. It's exatly that tank what was needed by IA.
You got quality on cost level IMHO. And I suppose that:
a) thre was no third option for IA in whole 2000s. - T-72M1 made "base" and it's supply simmilar to T-90S so whole think was cheper for IA.
b) T-90S is guite good tank. Of course it have some flaws but it can be "fixed" by modernisation right now. Only interesting think is indian Kanhan armour quality as protection.

As I said: Arjun program is too long and the result is buing next T-90S on Russian rulles. Becouse IA have no other option in fact.

Where is the Ac of the T-90 MS placed and how safe it is from sharpnell hit from enemy arty volleys ?



Who solved the crew men fainting in heat problem faced by T-90 in the T-90 MS?

 

[ersakthivel]

Nope, I understand perfectly. IA hasn't choice in 2000s couse Arjun program falitures. And IA must buy tanks somwhere. Obvious choice was T-90S whit hull preatty close to T-72M1 Aleya,and almoust the same supply and manuals.

And Indian security (which was IMHO the key for the world security as china countrballance) is depend on this what you can buy and what produce in one place.
In fact India is ugly market for western companies - helly hight corruption, wery difficult TOT needed by India, and rather low quality of making on licence products (licenced weapons). And result of this quality is pulling to the western companies. In fact many of them are escaping form Indian tardes. Trades are done by decades, many violent changes, result is always not sure, and Indian rulles needs to product as many as it's possible in India - what is very good of course, BUT not any company will allowed for sucht action. For example MTU... For other hand: India and IA is to big market, and possible key customer for many companies, so in fact they want to be IN India (becouse they must be) and OUTSIDE indian TOT (becouse they are to heavy and too difficult to done - espcially quality problems of making in india parts or componenets....).
BTW: I don't want to be rude, im just repeating what was possible to hear on MSPO in Poland in last year...

if T-72 is obsolete then what is the rationale behind replacing T-72 with unfit for desert summer condition tank called T-90?

if your car is old will you buy another car that has no chance of running in the time you need it most spending your hard earned money?

Why did IA ask Russia to solve all the problems that it wants DRDO to solve now?

They changed the specs of arjun four times stalling it continuously for decades from induction.

why couldn't they afford to wait for a few years till the russians solve all the problems of T-90, by making them fit for indian summer operations?

What is the rationale for spending billions of tax payer money on t-90 purchase with no proper summer trials?

but Arjun mk-1 and mk-2 are undergoing summer trials for eons, why t-90 and T-90 MS are being given a different treatments?

SCAM, and nothing else.

There were massive quality issues with russian supplied t-90 missiles. But not even a murmur of protest from IA,

When the israeli supplied LAHAT faces issues in Arjun mk-2 it is stalled from induction by asking for another round of trials why?

 

[ghost]

Well have come across an excellent old article on comparison between ARJUN and t90s tank posting it here so that people can specifically debate on details.

General Characteristics of MBT Arjun and T-90S

Battle tank design is an optimization of the three basic characteristics viz. firepower, mobility and protection. All tanks are designed in accordance with the war doctrine of the country and to ensure operation over a range of environmental conditions. Arjun MBT is a state of art tank, developed to suite specific needs of Indian Army. Arjun MBT is on par with contemporary tanks in its class like M1 Abrams, Leopard 2, Leclerc and Challenger II. T-90S is a lighter tank and does not fall in the class of Arjun MBT. T-90S is designed in accordance to specifications of the Russian Army and Russian cold climate. Both Arjun MBT and T-90S can be transported to Indian border areas by rail throughout the National Broad Gauge network.

Arjun MBT's Hydro Pneumatic Suspension system provides a stable weapon platform which enhances the fire on move capability and excellent riding comfort during cross country move. The Indian borders in north and west are very rugged. Arjun MBT has less Nominal Ground Pressure (NGP) compared to T-90S. Arjun MBT has better acceleration and maximum road speed due to high peak torque output of the engine coupled with fully automatic transmission not withstanding "slightly" lower power to weight ratio. Automatic transmission provides neutral turn capability which adds to the maneuverability during shoot and scoot. Arjun MBT features Auxiliary Power Units (APU) which T-90S does not have. APU's provide continuous operation in silent watch mode. It also saves main engine life. Rubberized double pin tracks provide increased life, reduced track noise and better maintainability. Arjun MBT's mission reliability has been proved with 500 kms being covered in 48 hours. Arjun MBT successfully crossed the RAVI River at Lassian without support systems due to lower ground pressure. Trench crossing capability of Arjun MBT is on par with T-90S as Arjun MBT has seven bogie stations compared to six bogie stations of T-90S.

Firing performance of Arjun MBT is superior to T-90S in terms of accuracy (both static and dynamic situations) due to gun ammunition combination and high order of weapon stabilization coupled with auto collimated MRS. Auto collimated MRS compensates for the barrel bend. Firing performance of Arjun MBT and T-90S is same in terms of defeat capability and rate of firing. Two axis stabilized commander's panoramic sight integrated with gunners main sight provides "hunter killer" capability both in static as dynamic mode (moving to moving mode). Higher order of stabilization accuracy enables accurate fire on the move at a moving target while maintaining the stipulated fire rate. The commander of Arjun MBT can engage targets in case of emergency, capable of firing at various slopes and tilt angles. First round hits probability has been demonstrated for MBT Arjun on a 1 mil target and greater than 60% hit percentage when firing from a moving Arjun tank to a moving target, both at 25 km/h.

LAHAT (semi automatic homing) Missile firing from Arjun MBT has been already demonstrated using a stand alone Laser Target Designator (LTD). This designator can be integrated into Gunner's Main Sight (GMS). T-90S can fire Laser bean riding missile..

Arjun MBT armament system including gun barrel has been proved to be robust and reliable No case of barrel burst was reported even after firing 10000 rounds. The Arjun MBT prototypes and pre production tanks fired more than 100 rounds from the same barrel in a day. Life of barrel of Arjun MBT is twice that of T-90S, estimate equivalent in Effective Full Charge (EFC) of 500.

Protection of MBT Arjun against FSAPDS and HESH ammunitions has been demonstrated. In January 2000 at Proof & Experimental Establishment (PXE), Balasore, Arjun tank armor defeated all available HESH and FSAPDS rounds including Israeli FSAPDS rounds. ERA is effective only against HEAT ammunition and not FSAPDS which is the primary threat to a battle tank. Arjun Tank has ERA protection as add on feature, while T-90S has it as a regular feature. A tank with ERA has a weight penalty.


Outcome

Indian Army has not expressed the purpose of this exercise. It can be various reasons like a genuine requirement of validating its GSQR which resulted in creation of a heavy tank or the Indian Army internal rivalry or the pressure from the import lobby to kill the indigenous Arjun MBT project. It will be the test of Indian Army's own integrity as Arjun MBT was made as per the Indian Army General Staff Qualitative Requirement (GSQR), tested by Indian Army and approved for production by Indian Army.

 

[ersakthivel]

I know, sorry for that.


bullshit, bullshit, bullshit
Sory for being rude.
Armour coud be very possible couse the same idea (+ Pakistani have opurtinies to copied T-80UD armour, and IA what "pattern" have?)
Mobility in Al-Chalid is very good couse ukrainian power-pack - in other way "if any" then it is very small difrences between Arjun and Al-Chalidy mobility.
Gun in Al-Chalid is not in any single aspect wores then in Arjun. And Al-Chalid have good amunition in opposite to Arjun - which stil, haven't good APFSDS...
FCS in Al-Chalid is based on SAVAN-15 and it's some modes. And it's preatty close to Arjun Mk.II FCS.


Yes, and it's preatty good.


Polish PT-91? maybe.
Malayesian PT-91MZ? This tank is on level beyond most of the Indian T-90S (exept main armour). And FCS in PT-91MZ is in fact better then in Arjun Mk.I.


:shocked:


ROTFL

Exept:
M1A1 in Australia
Oplot-M in Thailand
Leopard-2A4 mod in Singapour
Al-Chalid-1 in Pakistan..
Sory for harsh turth...

You are always rude to other members whenever they question the BS posted by you.

give me proof that t-80 UD or Al khalid's FCS , thermal sights ,communications and crew can withstand the summer heat in indian border areas in pak in desert summer heat,

When T-90 can not do it after years of tinkering by IA with the help of russians, other international equipment makers, there is no way you can claim the chinese-ukranian-pakistani Al khalid engineers have all solved this issue , which has no proof other than your posts,

Only because DRDO solved those issues with Arjun IA is approaching DRDO for help on T-90, otherwise IA won't even touch DRDO even with a barge pole, looking at foreign experts and more kickback facilitating sweet heart deals on t-90 issues.

the statements in your post is very far from harsh truths, it is just promotional material for T-80 UD and nothing else.

most of your points were already rebutted by archer in other threads , and you are still pretending that there is no APFSD for arjun and Al khalid has better mobility etc, etc..............

 

[ersakthivel]

Well have come across an excellent old article on comparison between ARJUN and t90s tank posting it here so that people can specifically debate on details.

General Characteristics of MBT Arjun and T-90S

Battle tank design is an optimization of the three basic characteristics viz. firepower, mobility and protection. All tanks are designed in accordance with the war doctrine of the country and to ensure operation over a range of environmental conditions. Arjun MBT is a state of art tank, developed to suite specific needs of Indian Army. Arjun MBT is on par with contemporary tanks in its class like M1 Abrams, Leopard 2, Leclerc and Challenger II. T-90S is a lighter tank and does not fall in the class of Arjun MBT. T-90S is designed in accordance to specifications of the Russian Army and Russian cold climate. Both Arjun MBT and T-90S can be transported to Indian border areas by rail throughout the National Broad Gauge network.

Arjun MBT's Hydro Pneumatic Suspension system provides a stable weapon platform which enhances the fire on move capability and excellent riding comfort during cross country move. The Indian borders in north and west are very rugged. Arjun MBT has less Nominal Ground Pressure (NGP) compared to T-90S. Arjun MBT has better acceleration and maximum road speed due to high peak torque output of the engine coupled with fully automatic transmission not withstanding "slightly" lower power to weight ratio. Automatic transmission provides neutral turn capability which adds to the maneuverability during shoot and scoot. Arjun MBT features Auxiliary Power Units (APU) which T-90S does not have. APU's provide continuous operation in silent watch mode. It also saves main engine life. Rubberized double pin tracks provide increased life, reduced track noise and better maintainability. Arjun MBT's mission reliability has been proved with 500 kms being covered in 48 hours. Arjun MBT successfully crossed the RAVI River at Lassian without support systems due to lower ground pressure. Trench crossing capability of Arjun MBT is on par with T-90S as Arjun MBT has seven bogie stations compared to six bogie stations of T-90S.

Firing performance of Arjun MBT is superior to T-90S in terms of accuracy (both static and dynamic situations) due to gun ammunition combination and high order of weapon stabilization coupled with auto collimated MRS. Auto collimated MRS compensates for the barrel bend. Firing performance of Arjun MBT and T-90S is same in terms of defeat capability and rate of firing. Two axis stabilized commander's panoramic sight integrated with gunners main sight provides "hunter killer" capability both in static as dynamic mode (moving to moving mode). Higher order of stabilization accuracy enables accurate fire on the move at a moving target while maintaining the stipulated fire rate. The commander of Arjun MBT can engage targets in case of emergency, capable of firing at various slopes and tilt angles. First round hits probability has been demonstrated for MBT Arjun on a 1 mil target and greater than 60% hit percentage when firing from a moving Arjun tank to a moving target, both at 25 km/h.

LAHAT (semi automatic homing) Missile firing from Arjun MBT has been already demonstrated using a stand alone Laser Target Designator (LTD). This designator can be integrated into Gunner's Main Sight (GMS). T-90S can fire Laser bean riding missile..

Arjun MBT armament system including gun barrel has been proved to be robust and reliable No case of barrel burst was reported even after firing 10000 rounds. The Arjun MBT prototypes and pre production tanks fired more than 100 rounds from the same barrel in a day. Life of barrel of Arjun MBT is twice that of T-90S, estimate equivalent in Effective Full Charge (EFC) of 500.

Protection of MBT Arjun against FSAPDS and HESH ammunitions has been demonstrated. In January 2000 at Proof & Experimental Establishment (PXE), Balasore, Arjun tank armor defeated all available HESH and FSAPDS rounds including Israeli FSAPDS rounds. ERA is effective only against HEAT ammunition and not FSAPDS which is the primary threat to a battle tank. Arjun Tank has ERA protection as add on feature, while T-90S has it as a regular feature. A tank with ERA has a weight penalty.


Outcome

Indian Army has not expressed the purpose of this exercise. It can be various reasons like a genuine requirement of validating its GSQR which resulted in creation of a heavy tank or the Indian Army internal rivalry or the pressure from the import lobby to kill the indigenous Arjun MBT project. It will be the test of Indian Army's own integrity as Arjun MBT was made as per the Indian Army General Staff Qualitative Requirement (GSQR), tested by Indian Army and approved for production by Indian Army.

Arjun MBT successfully crossed the RAVI River at Lassian without support systems due to lower ground pressure.

no other tank in IA can do it because even though they are all lighter than Arjun mk-1 their ground pressure per square inch is higher than Arjun , making them unfit for this crossing .

So no amount of tinkering with t-90 is going to solve such basic issues because the IA did not ask T-90 to be specially modified for indian conditions, they just bought it lock stock and barrel with no proper summer trials and are now facing the issues .

 

[ghost]

Arjun MBT successfully crossed the RAVI River at Lassian without support systems due to lower ground pressure.

no other tank in IA can do it because even though they are all lighter than Arjun mk-1 their ground pressure per square inch is higher than Arjun , making them unfit for this crossing .

So no amount of tinkering with t-90 is going to solve such basic issues because the IA did not ask T-90 to be specially modified for indian conditions, they just bought it lock stock and barrel with no proper summer trials and are now facing the issues .

Plus t90 was made specifically to suit very cold conditions of russia so it is not surprising that it is now facing problems in the heat of indian desert. And lack of ac is also explained as why would one want to have AC in already cold climate of russia.But i think a reason for picking up t90 might be already presence of large number of t72 so familiarity with russian hardware + russian can be depend upon to supply even at the time of war or other sanctions unlike other developed countries and lower cost of maintenance of russian tanks.

 

[ersakthivel]

Plus t90 was made specifically to suit very cold conditions of russia so it is not surprising that it is now facing problems in the heat of indian desert. And lack of ac is also explained as why would one want to have AC in already cold climate of russia.But i think a reason for picking up t90 might be already presence of large number of t72 so familiarity with russian hardware + russian can be depend upon to supply even at the time of war or other sanctions unlike other developed countries and lower cost of maintenance of russian tanks.

it is a crime to pick up a tank with no proper evaluation endangering the lives of the crew in it at critical moments in battle in summer conditions and spend billions of dollars of tax payer money on it.