Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[India Super Power]

Prospective deliveries of new Rafale is expected around 2027. MRFA (other than Rafale may be expected by 2025).
Taking this into regards 2024 of Mk. 1A seems acceptable.

There are only 2 fucking solutions
1)increase the production without looking at cost as its not important than lives and tech edge
2)reduce or fasten the testing period of mk2 on war footing
We need to realize we are in situation of war with all bad relation no delays no lethargy
We need to be aggressive in upgrading our existing fleet for that you need to convince fucking babooz and political assholes
Atleast start updating avionics of su 30 by 2024
No other sol left

 

[THESIS THORON]

There are only 2 fucking solutions
1)increase the production without looking at cost as its not important than lives and tech edge
2)reduce or fasten the testing period of mk2 on war footing
We need to realize we are in situation of war with all bad relation no delays no lethargy
We need to be aggressive in upgrading our existing fleet for that you need to convince fucking babooz and political assholes
Atleast start updating avionics of su 30 by 2024
No other sol left

we should have started production of mk2 by 2025 and order them around 150 at around 30 aircraft per year

 

[India Super Power]

we should have started production of mk2 by 2025 and order them around 150 at around 30 aircraft per year

Perfect dream for me bro

 

[Poseidon]

Prospective deliveries of new Rafale is expected around 2027. MRFA (other than Rafale may be expected by 2025).
Taking this into regards 2024 of Mk. 1A seems acceptable.

Time for more Rafales is gone now as many others are now ahead in order pipeline.We should go for SH Blk 3 or Gripen NG

 

[THESIS THORON]

Time for more Rafales is gone now as many others are now ahead in order pipeline.We should go for SH Blk 3 or Gripen NG

naah, if we do mrfa then we will get production line of 26 aircraft per year here only

the number of aircraft per year is not sure but it was around 26

 

[Dark Sorrow]

There are only 2 fucking solutions
1)increase the production without looking at cost as its not important than lives and tech edge

For GoI and MoD financial cost has an overbearing effect. If financial cost was not important we would have scrapped Mig-21 decades ago.

2)reduce or fasten the testing period of mk2 on war footing
We need to realize we are in situation of war with all bad relation no delays no lethargy

Situation is not that bad as people portray it to be. Most of this hysteria is backed by Chandigarh lobby for reasons known to everybody.
We need to fast track indigenous projects and if that means if GoI has shove it down MoD or armed forces throat it should.

We need to be aggressive in upgrading our existing fleet for that you need to convince fucking babooz and political assholes
Atleast start updating avionics of su 30 by 2024
No other sol left

Agreed but on Indian terms. No need to buy Russian Radar or EW suite when we have better alternatives.

We should not repeat Rafale fiasco. After so much boasting about Spectra EW Suite IAF went to IAI to interface ELL-8251SB Scorpius - SJ with Rafale.

 

[dumdumdum]

In view of repeated arguments about whether we are equipped enough to counter Pak & Chin...Given the nature of these two countries , their armed forces & rulers, Isnt that fact they do not all out attack us in itself a testimony of the fact that we have enough capability to defend them.

Why would a China or Pak or both not attack India today if they have combat superirority?

 

[India Super Power]

For GoI and MoD financial cost has an overbearing effect. If financial cost was not important we would have scrapped Mig-21 decades ago.

Situation is not that bad as people portray it to be. Most of this hysteria is backed by Chandigarh lobby for reasons known to everybody.
We need to fast track indigenous projects and if that means if GoI has shove it down MoD or armed forces throat it should.

Agreed but on Indian terms. No need to buy Russian Radar or EW suite when we have better alternatives.

We should not repeat Rafale fiasco. After so much boasting about Spectra EW Suite IAF went to IAI to interface ELL-8251SB Scorpius - SJ with Rafale.

Yes completely on Indian terms with our own radar jammers maws cockpit etc but
We can't do anything until we are not hit badly
They are not at all serious regarding this just time passing and nothing fruitful seriously man if anything happens and iaf is involved then they are gonna get doomed

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Any link to this claim

You won't find any link regarding the same. It should show utter incompetence in our procurement process and of IAF that we have to buy new EW suite after all the hype regarding spectra EW Suite.
It is known fact in certain academic research and industrial research circles (that dealing with EW systems and electronics).

 

[LakshmanPST7]

M2 will be 'Ready for Production' by 2027, NOT deliveries...
Deliveries will start only in 2030, if contract is signed by 2027...

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Vro why raphale is needed ? Chandigarh lobby bery greedy ! Airforce bery corrupt ! They only like phoren maal and natasha !

Ditch everything, lets order 500 LCA, it is besht phyter bro !

No one is arguing that Rafale is not needed, just the thing that MRFA will never happen because it was infeasible to begin with.

At best, an additional 36-54 units of Rafale will be ordered an thats that.

Coming to Tejas Mk1A, its an extremely potent jet and can give the J-10CP a run for its money.

MRFA will only delay the induction of Tejas Mk2 into IAF which is slated to go into mass production in 2026

 

[DeadCritic]

Hello and GM Everyone,
I would like to know the following thing from a neutral and strictly non-political angle.

Question :
Is there any difference in defense approach between pre-2014 and post-2014 leadership?
Is it positive or negative?

Please exclude the natural incremental changes which would have been regardless of the leadership.

To keep it non-political, I would appreciate it if we don't name any person or party.

 

[ezsasa]

Hello and GM Everyone,
I would like to know the following thing from a neutral and strictly non-political angle.

Question :
Is there any difference in defense approach between pre-2014 and post-2014 leadership?
Is it positive or negative?

Please exclude the natural incremental changes which would have been regardless of the leadership.

To keep it non-political, I would appreciate it if we don't name any person or party.

is this related to airforce, else this is offtopic for this thread .

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Yes completely on Indian terms with our own radar jammers maws cockpit etc but
We can't do anything until we are not hit badly
They are not at all serious regarding this just time passing and nothing fruitful seriously man if anything happens and iaf is involved then they are gonna get doomed

From what I hear Russians are the one causing problems. Russians want IAF to buy Russian AESA Radar, their EW Suite along with new engines and avionics. IAF is not ready for the same.
IAF wants combination of Uttam AESA along with ASPJ and Israeli jammers.
IAF also wants Indian and Israeli avionics upgrade. IAF doesn't want engine upgrade as IAF believe that new engine won't offer much capability upgrade.
In short IAF doesn't want much Russian input in upgrade. IAF wants Indian, Israeli and European sub-systems.
Russian trying to milk its cash cow (i.e. India) is not ready to accept this, hence the stalemate.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Time for more Rafales is gone now as many others are now ahead in order pipeline.We should go for SH Blk 3 or Gripen NG

I don't think wither are good options. Gripen NG won't offer any much capability improvement over Tejas Mk. 2 and as SH it appears to be in end of line. USN is the only major operator and their orders have slowed down.
SH is good for IN but not for IAF.
If we go ahead with MRFA then we should go ahead with either F-15EX or F-21.

If we go with Rafale then we should have ToT and local production else its not worth it.

 

[India Super Power]

From what I hear Russians are the one causing problems. Russians want IAF to buy Russian AESA Radar, their EW Suite along with new engines and avionics. IAF is not ready for the same.
IAF wants combination of Uttam AESA along with ASPJ and Israeli jammers.
IAF also wants Indian and Israeli avionics upgrade. IAF doesn't want engine upgrade as IAF believe that new engine won't offer much capability upgrade.
In short IAF doesn't want much Russian input in upgrade. IAF wants Indian, Israeli and European sub-systems.
Russian trying to milk its cash cow (i.e. India) is not ready to accept this, hence the stalemate.

Mission computer is Indian then what's stopping us from upgrade why do we need Russia in this
We have also assembled them here and large chunk has been indigenized

 

[assassin162]

What do you think about F18 Super Hornet Block 3 or F15EX for IAF upto 2 to 3 squadrons?
Can be bought quick, before MK2 delivery starts and can be also used to understand how we want to upgrade Su 30 MKI. We can upgrade rafale to those standards as well.

Also we will have suite of American weapons as well. At least they will provide edge in some or other thing.
Hence we will have a better mix, before our platforms and systems mature.
Because keep in mind we are not going to buy 114 rafales for sure and there is no option to order 36 more Rafales due to impending order of other countries.

 

[assassin162]

We can upgrade rafale to those standards as well

I obviously meant Sukhoi here. Sorry for typo.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Mission computer is Indian then what's stopping us from upgrade why do we need Russia in this
We have also assembled them here and large chunk has been indigenized

Because Russian still own the IP and we don't have balls to infringe their IP.
We will also need their help to get airworthiness certificate.

 

[johnj]

we should have started production of mk2 by 2025 and order them around 150 at around 30 aircraft per year

I'm happy becz iaf ordered 83 lcamk1a from 16ioc 16foc 8 t. mk2 - only god knows when and how many, lets hope iaf consider more mk1a before mk2 achieve full production rate.