Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Hydra3]

I try to keep away from political inclinations on this website , but i need to finally open my mouth.
Parrikar is the only person single handedly supported the major indigenous projects.
Ever since Parrikar left, i have not heard of a single major Indian defence deal except a 114 Dhanush...puny numbers if you ask me.
US is getting Billions of Dollars in Defence deals.
Russia, offcourse billions of dollars.
Then No one :
Indian armed forces : Lets buy crap from Israel
And now Turkey apparently ..
Arjun deal? No
LCH Deal? No
Tejas Deal? No.
HTTP40? No.
And i can go on.

NDA is better than UPA when it comes to defence. But the level the bhakts put it at are delusional .

Not even parikar is up to the mark. IAF was-is in ventilator, yet he managed only 36 rafale. Bhakth may argue that 36 is a super duper number for pakistan, in reality it is not. George fernandez was the last capable DM india has seen.
Antony was the worst, Nirmalaji proved her incompetency as a DM in modi1 government and now she is showing her incompetency as fm in modi2 too. Rajnath is better in pr works. Pariker ji was better than rest 3 DMs.

 

[Chain smoker]

Not even parikar is up to the mark. IAF was-is in ventilator, yet he managed only 36 rafale. Bhakth may argue that 36 is a super duper number for pakistan, in reality it is not. George fernandez was the last capable DM india has seen.
Antony was the worst, Nirmalaji proved her incompetency as a DM in modi1 government and now she is showing her incompetency as fm in modi2 too. Rajnath is better in pr works. Pariker ji was better than rest 3 DMs.

You are telling as if porkis are having some sort of ufo or flying donkeys but reality is that iaf is still having technical and numerical superiority over porki air force. yeah there was some gap in AA missile and awacs but now that gap is being removed. How come one air force full of 3rd gen jets and older f16 can pose any threat to air force having 4-4.5 gen jets it is a delusion. Combo of s400 and rafale will keep porkis away. The only way now left for porkis to achieve stalemate is to bring more than half of their air force during next conflict which is not going to happen.

 

[Hydra3]

You are telling as if porkis are having some sort of ufo or flying donkeys but reality is that iaf is still having technical and numerical superiority over porki air force. yeah there was some gap in AA missile and awacs but now that gap is being removed. How come one air force full of 3rd gen jets and older f16 can pose any threat to air force having 4-4.5 gen jets it is a delusion. Combo of s400 and rafale will keep porkis away. The only way now left for porkis to achieve stalemate is to bring more than half of their air force during next conflict which is not going to happen.

The third sentence of the first para is for the people like you.

Not even parikar is up to the mark. IAF was-is in ventilator, yet he managed only 36 rafale. Bhakth may argue that 36 is a super duper number for pakistan, in reality it is not. George fernandez was the last capable DM india has seen.
Antony was the worst, Nirmalaji proved her incompetency as a DM in modi1 government and now she is showing her incompetency as fm in modi2 too. Rajnath is better in pr works. Pariker ji was better than rest 3 DMs.

 

[Chain smoker]

The third sentence of the first para is for the people like you.

So pity of u can't even read the whole comment...

Combo of s400 and rafale will keep porkis away.

 

[Hydra3]

So pity of u can't even read the whole comment...

Combo of s400 and rafale will keep porkis away.

So, since we have achieved complete superiority mmrca 2 must be a waste of time & money? Am i right.

 

[Chain smoker]

So, since we have achieved complete superiority mmrca 2 must be a waste of time & money? Am i right.

Complete superiority cannot be achieved until we retire and upgrade all the old jets along with inducting new ones. Yes mmrca 2.0 is a waste of money and time.

 

[Hydra3]

Complete superiority cannot be achieved until we retire and upgrade all the old jets along with inducting new ones. Yes mmrca 2.0 is a waste of money and time.

That means 36 rafale is not adequate as of now, am right?

 

[Chain smoker]

That means 36 rafale is not adequate as of now, am right?

At least 36-54 more would be enough for 24×7 availability and to support falling squadrons. Anyway why u r paying soo much attention on rafale super sukhoi will also be very deadly.

 

[Tactical Frog]

Complete superiority cannot be achieved until we retire and upgrade all the old jets along with inducting new ones. Yes mmrca 2.0 is a waste of money and time.

The Mirage 2000 upgrade is critical imho. It adds so much punch with its newer radar and Mica missile. A totally underrated move from GOI and IAF, should deserve more credit.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

The Mirage 2000 upgrade is critical imho. It adds so much punch with its newer radar and Mica missile. A totally underrated move from GOI and IAF, should deserve more credit.

But i think 70KM range of MICA is a big disadvantage for india.
On platform wise it's a cute baby but it will be at disadvantage against Porki F-16 till the time we don't arm it with astra m1 btw which Electronic warfare system mirage 2000 have?

 

[vampyrbladez]

Pandemic shadow on defence industry deals
The mounting anxiety and steadfast focus on the proliferating coronavirus pandemic has clearly eclipsed the assortment of material contracts that India’s Ministry of Defence (MoD) has confirmed over the past fortnight, alongside numerous others which are imminent.

Starting in late February, when the corona contagion was incipient, the MoD inked a $2.1-billion tender with TAIS, a consortium of five Turkish shipbuilders, to design and build five 45,000-tonne fleet support vessels (FSV) for the Indian Navy in collaboration with the state-owned Hindustan Shipbuilders Limited (HSL).

The unanticipated and somewhat intriguing deal followed months of tension between India and Turkey over diplomatic support Ankara had offered to Islamabad in opposing Delhi’s revocation of Article 370 in Kashmir last August. Furthermore, the MoD’s Vigilance Department too had objected to HSL’s collaborative agreement with TAIS on ‘security considerations’.


It had maintained that some of TAIS’ associates were engaged in warship-building programmes for the Pakistan navy, like corvettes, and support for its submarine fleet. The MoD also asserted that in the event of TAIS being awarded the FSV tender, its personnel would be based at HSL’s shipyard in Vishakhapatnam that neighbours the classified Ship Building Centre where the Indian Navy’s nuclear submarines programme is located, thereby posing a ‘grave’ security threat.

But the FSV contract was inexplicably signed following clearances, not only by the Ministry of External Affairs but also the MoD’s vigilance department. One explanation, albeit feeble, that is being offered in military circles for the FSV deal is that the Indian Navy had managed to ‘neutralise’ both these trepidations.

It had reportedly argued that if its already deferred FSV programme were to be delayed further, its future plans to sustain platforms deployed in the strategically critical Indian Ocean region would be operationally jeopardised, as it would be unable to provide them essentials like fuel, supplies and repair facilities. An advance 15 per cent payment of the around $31 million to TAIS is due within the mandated 45 days of the deal being inked or around mid-April.

Thereafter, on March 18, the MoD approved the $5.25-billion procurement of 83 indigenously designed Mk1A upgraded Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) for the Indian Air Force (IAF). Official sources said the tender for 73 Mk1A single-seat fighters and 10 dual-seat trainers, designed by the Aeronautical Development Agency and manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited in Bengaluru, would be signed imminently.

The following day — March 19 — the MoD signed a $117.3-million contract with Israel Weapon Industries (IWI) for 16,749 Negev NG-7 7.62x51m light machine guns for the Indian Army under its Fast Track Procedure. Like the earlier FSV deal, this one too entails a $1.75-million transfer to IWI by early May.

Around the same time, the MoD also concluded negotiations with the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) to acquire 118 upgraded variants of the indigenously developed Arjun Mk1A main battle tank (MBT) for the Indian Army for an estimated $889.9 million. Official sources said that placing the ‘order of intent’ with the OFB’s Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi for the Mk1A MBTs that feature 72 improvements, including 14 major ones, over the Mk1 model, would be ‘concluded imminently’ by the MoD.

Alongside, the MoD is currently poised to sign the $550-million deal with Abu Dhabi’s Caracal International for 93,895 CAR 816 5.56mm close quarter battle carbines that has been in the pipeline since late 2018. This too would mean an advance of $82.5 million to the UAE company sometime soon.

The MoD is also fast-tracking the $480.5-million purchase of 10 additional Russian Kamov Ka-31 Helix airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) helicopters to coincide with the commissioning of INS Vikrant, the Indian Navy’s indigenously designed aircraft carrier in 2021.

Dmitry Shugaev, Director of the Russian Federal Service for Military Technical Co-operation (FSVTS), confirmed the Indian Navy’s intentions to the Interfax news agency on March 19, when he said that Moscow had received an ‘appeal’ from India for the Ka-31s, but declined to elaborate.

The proposed Ka-31 acquisition would be a ‘follow-on’ order to at least 12 similar platforms that have been in the Indian Navy service for some time. Only cost and delivery schedule negotiations and final project clearance by India’s Cabinet Committee on Security remain to be completed before the deal is signed.

It could be argued that despite the coronavirus pandemic, building India’s sinews of war cannot wait, and, hence, postponement or deferment of materiel tenders is not an option. Bolstering this thesis in military circles is the argument that many of these deals have been in the pipeline for long, reaching fruition only at the present, dreadful juncture.

But in light of the impending apocalypse, it is only appropriate to question whether such procurements worth billions of dollars are downright egregious at this juncture, or could they not have been postponed and the large amounts involved, committed more purposefully to fighting the pandemic. In short, such financial profligacy in acquiring military kit presently is simply appalling and undoubtedly distressing.

Meanwhile, like all other industrial, commercial and financial activity worldwide, the defence industry too will be battered by the virus. Writing recently in The Diplomat, the online international news magazine, defence consultant Arjun Sreekumar warned that global defence manufacturing facilities and supply chains and business development plans could well be negatively affected, as demand for materiel and related services diminished. He writes that defence budgets of most countries would be adversely hit as they shored up their healthcare spending. Consequently, with demand declining, defence companies would need to determine whether they trimmed their workforces at the risk of losing capable staff, or diverted their research and development budgets to paying salaries, thereby losing their technological edge.

“Defence companies must work on future-proofing themselves and must be prepared with answers to such questions in order to deal with the uncertainties stemming from shocks caused by the pandemic,” Sreekumar added.
https://www.defencenews.in/article/Pandemic-shadow-on-defence-industry-deals-810005

Opportunist Haramis trying to sabotage defence procurement using stink pieces.

 

[Tactical Frog]

But i think 70KM range of MICA is a big disadvantage for india.
On platform wise it's a cute baby but it will be at disadvantage against Porki F-16 till the time we don't arm it with astra m1 btw which Electronic warfare system mirage 2000 have?

Most probably it has (Integrated Counter Measures System) ICMS MK 4.

See :

https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/d...01.221258979.1585773218-1289191262.1585773218

Hey, whole French ADA and French Navy rely on Mica as we speak. Are you telling me that we should buy Astra as soon as possible

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Most probably it has (Integrated Counter Measures System) ICMS MK 4.

See :

https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/d...01.221258979.1585773218-1289191262.1585773218

Thanks for the detailed source

Hey, whole French ADA and French Navy rely on Mica as we speak. Are you telling me that we should buy Astra as soon as possible

Oh yeah we can exchange it you give us some meteor we provide you Astra

I'm not saying that Mica is bad. It's fantastic for close range stuff and tight maneuver in ADA role or in French navy to counter Incoming missiles but in BVRM conflict it will lag behind porki Amram-120C which is having range of 110 KM.
In VWRM conflict I'm sure Mirage 2000 will triumph over Porki F-16 because of mica and its delta design.
Since we cannot arm M-2000 with meteor second best bet for now is astra MK1.

 

[vampyrbladez]

I try to keep away from political inclinations on this website , but i need to finally open my mouth.
Parrikar is the only person single handedly supported the major indigenous projects.
Ever since Parrikar left, i have not heard of a single major Indian defence deal except a 114 Dhanush...puny numbers if you ask me.
US is getting Billions of Dollars in Defence deals.
Russia, offcourse billions of dollars.
Then No one :
Indian armed forces : Lets buy crap from Israel
And now Turkey apparently ..
Arjun deal? No
LCH Deal? No
Tejas Deal? No.
HTTP40? No.
And i can go on.

NDA is better than UPA when it comes to defence. But the level the bhakts put it at are delusional .

Army set to place order for 118 Arjun Mark 1-As, the most potent tank in its inventory

The Mark 1-A, developed by DRDO, features 14 major improvements sought by the Army, including better firepower and new transmission systems.

https://theprint.in/defence/army-set-to-place-order-for-118-arjun-mark-1-as-the-most-potent-tank-in-its-inventory/380869/

Nod for 83 LCA-Mk1A from HAL worth around ₹39,000 crore

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...-worth-around-39000-crore/article31100514.ece

Never let your slip show too early my friend.

 

[Hydra3]

At least 36-54 more would be enough for 24×7 availability and to support falling squadrons. Anyway why u r paying soo much attention on rafale super sukhoi will also be very deadly.

Now you are agreeing that 36 is not enough. Where did i said that mki, s400 are irrelevant. I just said that despite of IAF being in ventilator, parikar managed to buy only 36 rafale. And it is not enough.

 

[abhay rajput]

Now you are agreeing that 36 is not enough. Where did i said that mki, s400 are irrelevant. I just said that despite of IAF being in ventilator, parikar managed to buy only 36 rafale. And it is not enough.

114 Rafale can't be bought because we don't ahev enough budget for that. There are other things too like- su30 upgrade, Tejas, helicopters, and transport aircraft c295 , then there are also awacs, tanker aircrafts. We can only buy Rafale in numbers if we forget about majority of these things.

 

[vampyrbladez]

114 Rafale can't be bought because we don't ahev enough budget for that. There are other things too like- su30 upgrade, Tejas, helicopters, and transport aircraft c295 , then there are also awacs, tanker aircrafts. We can only buy Rafale in numbers if we forget about majority of these things.

This ****** is either an Islamist or a Commie. They run disinformation on this site and try to defect members here. Conflict keeps newbies away and brings down site recruitment.

Thats why Bharat Rakshak has a very strict vetting process for membership.

 

[Hydra3]

This ****** is either an Islamist or a Commie. They run disinformation on this site and try to defect members here. Conflict keeps newbies away and brings down site recruitment.

Thats why Bharat Rakshak has a very strict vetting process for membership.

നിന്റെ തന്തയാടാ നാറി കാപ്പിരി, സോറി പട്ടി ഊക്കി ഉണ്ടായവനൊക്കെ എന്ത് തന്ത.

 

[Hydra3]

114 Rafale can't be bought because we don't ahev enough budget for that. There are other things too like- su30 upgrade, Tejas, helicopters, and transport aircraft c295 , then there are also awacs, tanker aircrafts. We can only buy Rafale in numbers if we forget about majority of these things.

I know that,what youbsaid is the reality. We simply dont have money to modernise our fighting force. but certain breeds are blabbering that 36 rafale is enough for paf blah blah. I was mentioning that one. You can check my reply to @rohit b3 post,i was supporting what he said.

 

[vampyrbladez]

നിന്റെ തന്തയാടാ നാറി കാപ്പിരി, സോറി പട്ടി ഊക്കി ഉണ്ടായവനൊക്കെ എന്ത് തന്ത.

As I said either a Commie or an Islamist. Consider the Hindu traitors as human shields.