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I seriously doubt about the credibility of this government, they said something and doing something else, they have promises a powerful military. AWACS, tankers & special mission EW aircrafts are force multipliers and ita pathetic that IAF is leasing one of kind for its operations. This government promised no deal with turkey, now they are going ahead with turkey on FSV deal.
Our options are limited. A330 MRTT is expensive, KC-46 is having a host of problems and is also super expensive meaning that not all of the KC135 fleet will be replaced. IAF does not want more Il78 MKI.
Nowadays, many countries are finding leasing such aircraft for 20 years to be much cheaper than buying the aircraft outright.
The Brits have leased 14 A330 MRTT from Air Tanker Services.
Other options are converting 767 into KC-767 under the US lease program and lease them or to buy some refurbished KC135 from the US Reserve Fleet
 

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Our options are limited. A330 MRTT is expensive, KC-46 is having a host of problems and is also super expensive meaning that not all of the KC135 fleet will be replaced. IAF does not want more Il78 MKI.
Nowadays, many countries are finding leasing such aircraft for 20 years to be much cheaper than buying the aircraft outright.
The Brits have leased 14 A330 MRTT from Air Tanker Services.
Other options are converting 767 into KC-767 under the US lease program and lease them or to buy some refurbished KC135 from the US Reserve Fleet
Are we that much cash crunch country? Dont bring britishers over here, they are out of cash for their navy & its airwing. What will be the cases innwar with these hired assets?
 

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Are we that much cash crunch country? Dont bring britishers over here, they are out of cash for their navy & its airwing. What will be the cases innwar with these hired assets?
Cash is actually aplenty.
Spending is poor.
 

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Anyone who calls 27 Feb a shame has to have following attributes:
1. zero sense of how air battles take place and think of it like boxing/wrestling match
2. no appreciation for the political objective achieved by India in the whole episode
3. must consider falling of Mig 21 in combat as ignominious and discount the fact that Indian pilots were able to intercept well(which validates the 1st point)
4. must believe the PAF claim that Su 30 was destroyed
5. must NOT believe the IAF claim that F-16 was destroyed

Our neighbors and "self(country)-loathers aka critical rational liberal thinkers" within the country are the only people to display such characteristics.
 

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Anyone who calls 27 Feb a shame has to have following attributes:
1. zero sense of how air battles take place and think of it like boxing/wrestling match
2. no appreciation for the political objective achieved by India in the whole episode
3. must consider falling of Mig 21 in combat as ignominious and discount the fact that Indian pilots were able to intercept well(which validates the 1st point)
4. must believe the PAF claim that Su 30 was destroyed
5. must NOT believe the IAF claim that F-16 was destroyed

Our neighbors and "self(country)-loathers aka critical rational liberal thinkers" within the country are the only people to display such characteristics.
A miniscule sized airforce launched a retaliation on imdia, despite of we having much larger aairforce they managed to bomb inside an indian military complex. If you arnt ashamed of that incident.... no words from me. If thats what you believed that how a real air battle occurs, one minute silence
1)neither you too have i guess, retaliation from paf is so certain. Yet how many crafts were deployed? How many of our aircrafts were having secured communication? How many awacs we have to analyse battle scene? Despite of all these weakness ( technically an ill prepared airforce i will say) we have carried out strike on pakistan. Since it didn't turn out a full scale war, that act will be known as a bravery.
2)In my analysis 2 political out come has occurred a) BJP has secured a second term b) a halt in terrorist activity from pakistan. Now asper recent repo, balakot camp has restarted. If that is true the primary objective of feb 26 is failed.
3) mig21 pilots ferociously fought that battle with f16 by siting inside a relic of past. In that scene we lost an aircraft in enemy fire and fell inside pok.
4) if you are pointing that on me, friend you are wrong. Its just a bogus claim from them..
5) There must be a solid evidence, rather than some technical evidence & some amateur smok/puff/ background analysis.

I dont wanna drag this to feb 27 win/loss keyboard warrior fight.
Now i said, there will be 1000 feb 27 if government didn't funds our fighting force.without getting what i am talking, Tumko tumhara ego jala, and you brought feb26.
And lastly not least, you are free to call be a false flaggrr, pakistani, chinese, congress, communist, kerala isis or what ever. But basic facts remains same, i am an indian and i am terribly disappointed on present government for its lethargic way of funding our armed forces.
 

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A miniscule sized airforce launched a retaliation on imdia, despite of we having much larger aairforce they managed to bomb inside an indian military complex. If you arnt ashamed of that incident.... no words from me.
This line itself validates the first point I mentioned.. Not going to try to change your opinion and waste my time. You can carry on with your agenda.
 

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1)neither you too have i guess, retaliation from paf is so certain. Yet how many crafts were deployed? How many of our aircrafts were having secured communication? How many awacs we have to analyse battle scene? Despite of all these weakness
Do you even have the slightest knowledge about how many aircraft stays airborne? Do you know what's the average sortie rate of IAF?
Pakistan launched a strike consisting 24 jets half of their assets India at the mean time already had Awacs and 4 jets Up and ready to visit them.
Pakistan Airforce was welcomed with the Indian jets at the earliest being un prepared means being a asleep like PAF in night time.

2)In my analysis 2 political out come has occurred a) BJP has secured a second term b) a halt in terrorist activity from pakistan. Now asper recent repo, balakot camp has restarted. If that is true the primary objective of feb 26 is failed.
In no sense Rahul Gandhi was winning the election any way and its obvious that people like leaders with spine.
No one said that Balalkot will change the game it showed india's resolve but removal of A370 did changed the game

3) mig21 pilots ferociously fought that battle with f16 by siting inside a relic of past. In that scene we lost an aircraft in enemy fire and fell inside pok.
4) if you are pointing that on me, friend you are wrong. Its just a bogus claim from them..
Americans lost many aircraft to their adversaries? Looks like you don't approve US being a global power?
There must be a solid evidence, rather than some technical evidence & some amateur smok/puff/ background analysis.

I dont wanna drag this to feb 27 win/loss keyboard warrior fight.
Now i said, there will be 1000 feb 27 if government didn't funds our fighting force.without getting what i am talking, Tumko tumhara ego jala, and you brought feb26.
And lastly not least, you are free to call be a false flaggrr, pakistani, chinese, congress, communist, kerala isis or what ever. But basic facts remains same, i am an indian and i am terribly disappointed on present government for its lethargic way of funding our armed forces.
I dunno what you are but i do think you are little slower in upper section of your body.
 

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Do you even have the slightest knowledge about how many aircraft stays airborne? Do you know what's the average sortie rate of IAF?
Pakistan launched a strike consisting 24 jets half of their assets India at the mean time already had Awacs and 4 jets Up and ready to visit them.
Pakistan Airforce was welcomed with the Indian jets at the earliest being un prepared means being a asleep like PAF in night time.


In no sense Rahul Gandhi was winning the election any way and its obvious that people like leaders with spine.
No one said that Balalkot will change the game it showed india's resolve but removal of A370 did changed the game


Americans lost many aircraft to their adversaries? Looks like you don't approve US being a global power?

I dunno what you are but i do think you are little slower in upper section of your body.
So you expect PAF will asses the situation and they will send 4 jets, since on our side only four jets are airborne. Man it was awar like situation, we were not prepared for that day.

Yeah, then why PM itself announced successful antisat test through Television? I admire bjp & amit sha( i really like that man ver much, clear straight forward & committed on the part he believing ) their urge for success. Despite of sure shot, they played with balakot strike and earned more votes. And 370 is definitely a political blow on pakistan face, no doubt on that. But waht is its relevance with balakot?

Common man, are you a child? What was the killing ratio of USAF? Is it 1( disputed):1 ike that of feb 27. Man USAF looses aircraft in air battle, but they have scored numerous air kill on enemies. I will stamps USA as a loser if they have lost 1 aircraft for every kill they made.
Behave yourself, i don't be like some present day indian politicians harassing others as dump if he/she speaks against you.

Regarding 3 unexploded bombs and claiming as your victory. There was a legend in geopolitics, when we have lost 1962, Nehru used to tell that the aksaichin was an arid desert like place Nehru is reported to have said in Parliament “not a single blade of grass grows there" If you are thinking that, an enemy airforce managed to drop bomb inside our army camp or any other military compound is not a failure and boasted our capability after finding the bombs are not detonated i have an answer for you, the answer that Nehru received in parliament from an congress man( that type thing was used to exist in congress once) one mr Tyagi by point on his own bald head " Nothing grows on hear, should it be given this to somebody else".
 

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So you expect PAF will asses the situation and they will send 4 jets, since on our side only four jets are airborne. Man it was awar like situation, we were not prepared for that day.
Oh? Who says that Hydra on internet who most probably never flown a toy helicopter is talking about BS from YouTube and after reading some proki article?
After Every single war or conflict army submits a report on the events in to the government and their we get to know our shot falls.
Yes it matters how many assets someone is pushing because porkis know that if they will send 2-9 aircraft most probably they will get overwhelmed in Indian skies that's why they sended a huge package of 24 jets which failed to achieve nothing.

Yeah, then why PM itself announced successful antisat test through Television? I admire bjp & amit sha( i really like that man ver much, clear straight forward & committed on the part he believing ) their urge for success. Despite of sure shot, they played with balakot strike and earned more votes. And 370 is definitely a political blow on pakistan face, no doubt on that. But waht is its relevance with balakot?
So what's wrong with announcing countries achievement? Even congressii used to do that.
Thursday hailed India's successful Agni-V long-range nuclear-capable ballistic missile test as "another milestone" in the country's "quest for security, preparedness and to explore the frontiers of science".

"I congratulate all the scientific and technical personnel of the DRDO (Defence Research and Development Organisation) and other organisations who have worked tirelessly in our endeavour to strengthen the defence and security of our country," Manmohan Singh said in his message soon after the successful Agni-V launch was announced by DRDO chief V.K. Saraswat.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/north/story/agni-v-missile-launch-pm-manmohan-singh-99563-2012-04-19

So Manmohan used agni 5 test to win the elections? Yes article 370 have to do everything with Balalkot incident that showed governments commitment towards finishing of terrorism from kashmir and targeted porki proxies made imran khan and Porni army moun in tears.
Yes 26 feb showed india capability and bluffed the nuclear threat of roohani takat :rofl:
Common man, are you a child? What was the killing ratio of USAF? Is it 1( disputed):1 ike that of feb 27. Man USAF looses aircraft in air battle, but they have scored numerous air kill on enemies. I will stamps USA as a loser if they have lost 1 aircraft for every kill they made.
Behave yourself, i don't be like some present day indian politicians harassing others as dump if he/she speaks against you.
In total scenario india have always achieved more kills but people with smaller brain always claim Bs that india got this that US Israel Russians have lost many aircrafts and systems to some Terrorists. Few months back irani mullah regime launched air strikes on US they didn't strike back that means US in not supper power iran is? Kid?

Regarding 3 unexploded bombs and claiming as your victory. There was a legend in geopolitics, when we have lost 1962, Nehru used to tell that the aksaichin was an arid desert like place Nehru is reported to have said in Parliament “not a single blade of grass grows there" If you are thinking that, an enemy airforce managed to drop bomb inside our army camp or any other military compound is not a failure and boasted our capability after finding the bombs are not detonated i have an answer for you, the answer that Nehru received in parliament from an congress man( that type thing was used to exist in congress once) one mr Tyagi by point on his own bald head " Nothing grows on hear, should it be given this to somebody else".
So i need to give you a porki source you can check the Twitter of DJispr and you will see that he officially claimed that we didn't targeted indian military structures and btw knowing porkis they would have released videos of the bombs of 3 bombs Going in were is that? You push things out of your ass or what?
Are you fuckin kid or what? :rofl:o_O
Bombs explode daily on LOC its nothing new lcasualties is Pakistan was never able to get as they failed to target any strategic structure of kashmir as they were stopped at loc itself idiot.
 

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Oh? Who says that Hydra on internet who most probably never flown a toy helicopter is talking about BS from YouTube and after reading some proki article?
After Every single war or conflict army submits a report on the events in to the government and their we get to know our shot falls.
Yes it matters how many assets someone is pushing because porkis know that if they will send 2-9 aircraft most probably they will get overwhelmed in Indian skies that's why they sended a huge package of 24 jets which failed to achieve nothing.


So what's wrong with announcing countries achievement? Even congressii used to do that.
Thursday hailed India's successful Agni-V long-range nuclear-capable ballistic missile test as "another milestone" in the country's "quest for security, preparedness and to explore the frontiers of science".

"I congratulate all the scientific and technical personnel of the DRDO (Defence Research and Development Organisation) and other organisations who have worked tirelessly in our endeavour to strengthen the defence and security of our country," Manmohan Singh said in his message soon after the successful Agni-V launch was announced by DRDO chief V.K. Saraswat.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/north/story/agni-v-missile-launch-pm-manmohan-singh-99563-2012-04-19

So Manmohan used agni 5 test to win the elections? Yes article 370 have to do everything with Balalkot incident that showed governments commitment towards finishing of terrorism from kashmir and targeted porki proxies made imran khan and Porni army moun in tears.
Yes 26 feb showed india capability and bluffed the nuclear threat of roohani takat :rofl:

In total scenario india have always achieved more kills but people with smaller brain always claim Bs that india got this that US Israel Russians have lost many aircrafts and systems to some Terrorists. Few months back irani mullah regime launched air strikes on US they didn't strike back that means US in not supper power iran is? Kid?


So i need to give you a porki source you can check the Twitter of DJispr and you will see that he officially claimed that we didn't targeted indian military structures and btw knowing porkis they would have released videos of the bombs of 3 bombs Going in were is that? You push things out of your ass or what?
Are you fuckin kid or what? :rofl:o_O
Bombs explode daily on LOC its nothing new lcasualties is Pakistan was never able to get as they failed to target any strategic structure of kashmir as they were stopped at loc itself idiot.
Ob you must be a fighter pilot or Chopper pilot i guess. Pity
I didn't remember mms coming on TV as an emergency situation and announcing the A5 test.
So balakot strike was for pre 370 withdrawal incident, not an avenge for the terror attack pakistan conducted in india. And yeas, feb26 showed we can fight with in nuclear threshold and feb27 shows an aerial attack won't ignite an indian retaliation too.
Regarding iranian attack, there was multiple reports that iran actually informed US about the attack to make sure about the safety of US military personals. Pakistani attack was like a retaliation, and they have targeted an indian military compound.
What IAF is claiming, pakistan infact try to target military installation on indian side and because of IAF's swift action they miss the target, mr gafoor's propaganda is they have purposefully deviate the bomb in last moment. You @Assassin 2.0 want me to beleive a pakistani propaganda statement over IAF's statement? And regarding do not undermine the PAF bombardment, any use of airforce is actually an act of war, you ask any military topbrass they too will tell the same.
At the end of the day, we didn't responded to pakistani retaliation instead balakot thing was cleverly used for election in india.
 

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Ob you must be a fighter pilot or Chopper pilot i guess. Pity
I didn't made any judgements here but toy fighter jet pilot hydra made

Here is the video nibba check it. So PM giving a public statement is emergency then i think US and many other states are suffering from this emergency situation.
I never made a judgment but toy fighter pilot here made clear judgements.
So balakot strike was for pre 370 withdrawal incident, not an avenge for the terror attack pakistan conducted in india. And yeas, feb26 showed we can fight with in nuclear threshold and feb27 shows an aerial attack won't ignite an indian retaliation too.
All operation ALL out article - 370 removal and Balakot strikes were Part of the situation which got created after pulwama attacks to wipe out terrorism and stop change the edge for Pakistan. 370A was very much part of that resolve
When was the last time india said that if you will attack us with conventional forces we will nuke you? Share the link buddy. India have a clear policy of no first use it was always the roohani takat of Pakistan which used to say we will use nuclear weapons even for conventional warfare.
Regarding iranian attack, there was multiple reports that iran actually informed US about the attack to make sure about the safety of US military personals. Pakistani attack was like a retaliation, and they have targeted an indian military compound.
What IAF is claiming, pakistan infact try to target military installation on indian side and because of IAF's swift action they miss the target, mr gafoor's propaganda is they have purposefully deviate the bomb in last moment
In the last few chats you were saying that they attacked the military compounds and successfully did that.
Any particular proofs that iran told the US about attack in advance only a idiot can believe on such thing
If they told them in advance then why patriots were not placed their and why 8 people got critically injured?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...world/middleeast/iran-missile-attack.amp.html

You @Assassin 2.0 want me to beleive a pakistani propaganda statement over IAF's statement? And regarding do not undermine the PAF bombardment, any use of airforce is actually an act of war, you ask any military topbrass they too will tell the same.
At the end of the day, we didn't responded to pakistani retaliation instead balakot thing was cleverly used for election in india.
Show me the statement were IAF acknowledged that we had capital loss of infrastructure or man life in the strikes as far as i know Even if Pakistan would have wanted to do that but they failed to do that because of IAF response.
War is a strategic thing it doesn't always mean striking back in the same manner. For example last time we did land based surgical strikes next time air based and the next strike on terrorism was operation all out plus removal of 370A.

BJP IT cell or cowdung warrior?
Asper official statement, the Balakot strike was our response to pulwama attack
Italian slave or pedophile worshiper or Bottom of the chain AAP tard.
 

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A miniscule sized airforce launched a retaliation on imdia, despite of we having much larger aairforce they managed to bomb inside an indian military complex. If you arnt ashamed of that incident.... no words from me. If thats what you believed that how a real air battle occurs, one minute silence
1)neither you too have i guess, retaliation from paf is so certain. Yet how many crafts were deployed? How many of our aircrafts were having secured communication? How many awacs we have to analyse battle scene? Despite of all these weakness ( technically an ill prepared airforce i will say) we have carried out strike on pakistan. Since it didn't turn out a full scale war, that act will be known as a bravery.
2)In my analysis 2 political out come has occurred a) BJP has secured a second term b) a halt in terrorist activity from pakistan. Now asper recent repo, balakot camp has restarted. If that is true the primary objective of feb 26 is failed.
3) mig21 pilots ferociously fought that battle with f16 by siting inside a relic of past. In that scene we lost an aircraft in enemy fire and fell inside pok.
4) if you are pointing that on me, friend you are wrong. Its just a bogus claim from them..
5) There must be a solid evidence, rather than some technical evidence & some amateur smok/puff/ background analysis.

I dont wanna drag this to feb 27 win/loss keyboard warrior fight.
Now i said, there will be 1000 feb 27 if government didn't funds our fighting force.without getting what i am talking, Tumko tumhara ego jala, and you brought feb26.
And lastly not least, you are free to call be a false flaggrr, pakistani, chinese, congress, communist, kerala isis or what ever. But basic facts remains same, i am an indian and i am terribly disappointed on present government for its lethargic way of funding our armed forces.
Brrro, paf sent a package of 24 fighters, literally less than half of their potent airborne units and could not even hit their intended targets. Countered by a mig21, and lost one of their prized assets. Paf chose the perfect time for the switch overs on IAF’s CAP sorties, but still could not achieve results.
Let that sink in.
Any other government in place, would not have the balls to do a Balakot. No chance.
 

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Brrro, paf sent a package of 24 fighters, literally less than half of their potent airborne units and could not even hit their intended targets. Countered by a mig21, and lost one of their prized assets. Paf chose the perfect time for the switch overs on IAF’s CAP sorties, but still could not achieve results.
Let that sink in.
Any other government in place, would not have the balls to do a Balakot. No chance.
Brrro, paf sent a package of 24 fighters, literally less than half of their potent airborne units and could not even hit their intended targets. Countered by a mig21, and lost one of their prized assets. Paf chose the perfect time for the switch overs on IAF’s CAP sorties, but still could not achieve results.
Let that sink in.
Any other government in place, would not have the balls to do a Balakot. No chance.
If it was a full scale air war, paf would not stand a chance. The escalation ladder has been highly tilted, and essentially communicated that all responses will be kinetic and inside adversaries territory. loc troops getting advanced imaging systems, and firepower for the past two years.
The armed forces are equipping more standoff weaponry than ever before. This is what was missing so many years.
Tell you what. If there was any other govt in place, they would not even have the balls to mate the Brahmos to su30 platforms. Fact. That standoff capability is a game changer in all its sense that folks cannot underestimate enough.
 

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DRDO-IAF deliberates development of Next Generation Close Combat Missile (NGCCM) for 5th Gen fighter jets.

SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK



Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and its associate Labs along with Indian Air Force (IAF) have started deliberation on the development of Next Generation Close Combat Missile (NGCCM) for Air force fighter jet fleet while IAF decides to arm its entire fleet with MBDA developed Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile (ASRAAM).

Sources close to idrw.org have indicated that this will be a completely new program to develop an advanced imaging infrared seeker based short-range air to air missile for upcoming 5th generation fighter jets like AMCA Mk1 and 5.5gen fighter jets like AMCA Mk2 and once specifications and air staff requirements are fixed it will reach out to the government for funds.

NGCCM might take 7-10 years to complete its developmental and testing trials before it enters production and DRDO and its labs will be tasked to develop two or three variants of different advanced imaging infrared seeker which can see well beyond the distance it can travel. NGCCM will have Lock-on-after-launch capability and Lock-on-before-launch capability along with two way data-link for increased engagement zone.

NGCCM will be able to be carried internally on weapons bays of the AMCA Mk1 and Mk2 and might also get special paint coatings for wingtip pylons deployment to reduce its radar cross-section for stealth fighter jets.

DRDO is also developing Astra BVRAAM based advanced imaging infrared seeker based on IAF feedback to have Two variants of the same missile but it won’t be Close Combat Air-to-Air missile due to which NGCCM development is been talked about. ASRAAM has been designated as the “new generation close combat missile” (NGCCM) by the Indian air force but the DRDO program might get new designation once the program is official.
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Brrro, paf sent a package of 24 fighters, literally less than half of their potent airborne units and could not even hit their intended targets. Countered by a mig21, and lost one of their prized assets. Paf chose the perfect time for the switch overs on IAF’s CAP sorties, but still could not achieve results.
Let that sink in.
Any other government in place, would not have the balls to do a Balakot. No chance.
Oh god, first A5 test was carried out in 2012, 2 years prior to the election. Do you think it has anything to with election? And did MMS came in to the national TV as addressing the nation? No.. media has announced it and later it came through mms as a he has congratulated the men behind the test. Where modiji announced it as a national emergency, big difference. You need a working impartial brain to see the difference. Such processing capability lacks with bhakths.

There is no relationship between balakot & 370 removal. If you are saying otherwise, thenyou are indirectly supporting pakistani view on pulwama attack that it was executed by india. And i will give credit to Mr Amit shah for with drawing the 370, the much needed action was promised many times befor bjp. They didn't do from2014-19 time frame. I aooreciate shah & present bjo regime for 370 withdrwal.
Where did i said that india threat pak with nuke? I said after feb 27 india didn't retaliate, retaliation doesn't means that nuclear strike fool.
I said the word " multiple repoert".

Since the PAF had targeted military installations on the 27th of February (a day after India struck the Jaish-e-Mohammed camp near Balakot), the Pakistan Army had now become a legitimate target and had their strikes been successful, we would have put a considerable weight of attack on their forward brigades,'' Dhanoa said during a discussion on 'Understanding The Message of Balakot' in Chandigarh.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.econ...-chief-bs-dhanoa/amp_articleshow/72662367.cms

There is a saying in kerala "its easy to convince a monkey than convincing a sankhi "
 

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Brrro, paf sent a package of 24 fighters, literally less than half of their potent airborne units and could not even hit their intended targets. Countered by a mig21, and lost one of their prized assets. Paf chose the perfect time for the switch overs on IAF’s CAP sorties, but still could not achieve results.
Let that sink in.
Any other government in place, would not have the balls to do a Balakot. No chance.
Do not expect enemy to fight the battle on our terms. They may have used 1fighter or 100 fighter based on the capacity. You want said that since 24 jets involved in that attack we should not retaliate?
 

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