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That way even PAF displayed their ability to strike if they are striked. When they tried to target our HQ, why did GOI chicken out, due to fear of escalations?
i think its mostly due to abhinandan if we did launch a retaliatory strike chances of getting back abhinandan would be negligible and even we doesnt want to escalate too much imo
 

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That way even PAF displayed their ability to strike if they are striked. When they tried to target our HQ, why did GOI chicken out, due to fear of escalations?
They tried, but failed. What they reached was a ammo dump near LoC (~15 km, within artillery distance so no bonus point for hitting it with fighter jets) by loitering munitions fired across LoC. There was no damage (bomb was inert), and there was no casaulties.

Anyway, we are going to another tangent, (which I actually agree with you, we chickened out).

My original argument was, IAF is handicapped due to equipment. GoI's miser attitude and complete apathy toward's IAF modernization, coupled with attitude of putting all the eggs in Tejas's basket, essentially making the future of our country a hostage of HAL's performance, is a bigger sin.

IAF deserves lesser hate. You can blame every IAF chief or officers or whatever, IAF red-flagged dwindling squadron numbers way back in 2011 and proposed 126 MMRCA purchase, gauging fully that Tejas might not be ready.

If we had signed 126 MMRCA in 2012-14, Feb 27th embarrasment would have probably never happened, and we wouldn't be running like headless chickens on China frontier.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars The Mark 1 Amby at lohegaaon, Pune. The EX IAF car now maintained by a Veteran.

And with the required original dashboard, horn ring steering and hubcaps with also the Morris Badge where the Ox is replaced with a big H and Ambassador.


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They tried, but failed. What they reached was a ammo dump near LoC (~15 km, within artillery distance so no bonus point for hitting it with fighter jets) by loitering munitions fired across LoC. There was no damage (bomb was inert), and there was no casaulties.

Anyway, we are going to another tangent, (which I actually agree with you, we chickened out).

My original argument was, IAF is handicapped due to equipment. GoI's miser attitude and complete apathy toward's IAF modernization, coupled with attitude of putting all the eggs in Tejas's basket, essentially making the future of our country a hostage of HAL's performance, is a bigger sin.

IAF deserves lesser hate. You can blame every IAF chief or officers or whatever, IAF red-flagged dwindling squadron numbers way back in 2011 and proposed 126 MMRCA purchase, gauging fully that Tejas might not be ready.

If we had signed 126 MMRCA in 2012-14, Feb 27th embarrasment would have probably never happened, and we wouldn't be running like headless chickens on China frontier.
Where exactly do you think GOI is going to furnish the funds required for the supposed 126 MMRCA purhcase?

Regarding HAL's performance, that can only come to light when you provide them with a bulk order like the GOI did back in Feb 2021 and not by ordering 16 IOC, 16 FOC and 8 trainer aircraft.
 

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Why? I luv it! It is actually a very comfortable car to ride in with all that great suspension. Goes over potholes easily and it's easy to repair.
Dunno about the modern variants of it but when I used to travel in it years ago(late 2000s) it sucked. Issues with A/C, servicing, etc
 

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25 ALH Dhruv Mk3 for the IA and 9 for the Coast Guard.

Indian MoD orders 34 ALH helicopters

The Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) has signed a contract with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) to acquire 34 Advanced Light Helicopters (ALH) Dhruv Mk IIIs.

The INR80.7 billion (USD973.8 million) contract was announced on 13 March and covers 25 ALH Dhruv Mk IIIs for the Indian Army with role-specific equipment and nine for the Indian Coast Guard (ICG), according to the Indian MoD.

Janes understands that the 34 helicopters will be delivered in batches from later this year. “The deliveries will be staggered. We expect all deliveries to be completed by 2026–27,” an industry source told Janes on 15 March.

The contract for the 34 helicopters was signed within a week of India's Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) approving the requested acquisition on 7 March.

The Dhruv Mk IIIs to be supplied to the army are the utility version of the helicopter. The MoD said these helicopters will be used in roles such as “search and rescue (SAR), troop transportation, … cargo [hauler], reconnaissance, and casualty evacuation”. The MoD said that the Dhruvs are capable of deployment and operation in high-altitude regions such as the Siachen Glacier and Ladakh.

The Dhruv Mk IIIs for the ICG will be delivered for maritime operations, the MoD said.

The ministry added that this sub-variant of the helicopter is designed for maritime surveillance and interdiction, SAR, rappelling operations, cargo carrying, personnel transportation, pollution response using external cargo-carrying capability, and evacuations of medical casualties.
 

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For country with 4 trillion gdp our air force is a joke
The air chiefs don't have x a clue about modern network centric war fighting ...They are living in 1980s thinking we need numbers

Look at the Israelis
300 fighters lovely mix of
Twin engines F15 x 100
Single engines F16 x 200
Now 40 F35 fifth gen
Superb armaments training doctrine

They would wipe the floor with both India and Pakistan combined

We should never have invested so much russian hardware it is not working
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars

 

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IA actually needs more helicopters. Like about 1000 of these to have good rapid mobility.
IA and IAF already have hundreds in service. 1000s is a pipe dream.

The ones that need to be replaced ASAP are the Cheetahs, Cheetals and Chetaks. That is where the LUH will come into the picture.
 

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IA and IAF already have hundreds in service. 1000s is a pipe dream.

The ones that need to be replaced ASAP are the Cheetahs, Cheetals and Chetaks. That is where the LUH will come into the picture.
over 200 is not enough to move large number of troops rapidly to outflank the Chinese.
 

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For country with 4 trillion gdp our air force is a joke
The air chiefs don't have x a clue about modern network centric war fighting ...They are living in 1980s thinking we need numbers

Look at the Israelis
300 fighters lovely mix of
Twin engines F15 x 100
Single engines F16 x 200
Now 40 F35 fifth gen
Superb armaments training doctrine

They would wipe the floor with both India and Pakistan combined

We should never have invested so much russian hardware it is not working
Different countries, different challenges, different solutions. Their problem is that they have a tiny country that requires extremely quick early warning so that they don't get surprised. They have a very good system of radars to cover all possible approaches into their territory from all possible vectors.

Literally speaking, the Israelis fear the very existence of their country is at peril from various threats but the threat of being hit from the air is somewhat lesser than being attacked over land borders by militia and terrorists. They take their security very very seriously as a result.

However, they don't have any major air forces to challenge them since Syria, Iraq and Jordan are no match. Egypt has a peace deal in place.

And no, they wouldn't be able to wipe the floor against a truly modern enemy.

India has a very different mind-set and most people will not want the Govt. to spend more on defence. It is only in the last 10-15 years that a threat of China-Pakistan collusion in an attack has been taken seriously.

Anyway, all this discussion is is of no relation to the AMCA and is simply derailing the thread.

ANY MODERATORS ON THIS THREAD TO DELETE ANY NON AMCA RELATED DISCUSSIONS??
 

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For country with 4 trillion gdp our air force is a joke
The air chiefs don't have x a clue about modern network centric war fighting ...They are living in 1980s thinking we need numbers

Look at the Israelis
300 fighters lovely mix of
Twin engines F15 x 100
Single engines F16 x 200
Now 40 F35 fifth gen
Superb armaments training doctrine

They would wipe the floor with both India and Pakistan combined

We should never have invested so much russian hardware it is not working
2008

India developing network centric warfare capability: Naik

"At present we do not have it, we are just about network enabled. But we are in the process of developing this capability."
Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

2023

Then came the SWOT analysis.

Under Strengths, the IAF Chief listed operations exposure and mindset, innovative tactics, techniques, and procedures, Network Centric Warfare capabilities, high training standards and effective Human Resources management, a large number of airfields in the first tier at lower elevation, and a varied inventory which included a mix of western and Russian platforms, weapons and systems.

Dec 2023

To ensure seamless radar coverage 24×7, IAF has migrated to Network Centric Sensor and Communication Grid. Displaying IAF prowess in Network Centric Warfare (NCW), Indian air space is under persistent surveillance by multiple types of sensors integrated into a network to provide a composite air situation picture. Airborne sensors like AWACS, AEW&C and Aerostats augment ground based sensors. IAF’s Integrated Air Command and Control System (IACCS) is a System of Systems which integrates various sensors of the three services as well as civilian surveillance radars thereby giving us persistent surveillance capability 24X7X365.
Read more at:
https://www.indiandefencereview.com...marshal-vivek-ram-chaudhari-pvsm-avsm-vm-adc/



 

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2008

India developing network centric warfare capability: Naik



Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

2023




Dec 2023



Read more at:
https://www.indiandefencereview.com...marshal-vivek-ram-chaudhari-pvsm-avsm-vm-adc/



IN and IAF literally shared radio conversation between incoming Rafales and INS Kolkata when the former first arrived.

IN and IAF in joint exercises have had land targets detected by Phalanx and engaged by Brahmos.

they have exercised joint air dominance

WE DONT HAVE NET CENTRIC CAPABILITY crowd is modern day equivalent of WE DONT HAVE COMBINED ARMS TACTICS.

Half read nonsense.
 

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IN and IAF literally shared radio conversation between incoming Rafales and INS Kolkata when the former first arrived.

IN and IAF in joint exercises have had land targets detected by Phalanx and engaged by Brahmos.

they have exercised joint air dominance

WE DONT HAVE NET CENTRIC CAPABILITY crowd is modern day equivalent of WE DONT HAVE COMBINED ARMS TACTICS.

Half read nonsense.
These people think this is how Indian military branches communicate...
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