Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Arjun Mk1A]

Nothing is fishy bro
It's the peace time attitude of iaf
The way porkies acquiring j-10ce it seems in next 3-4 years they will have same no of squadrons as ours

Entire Porkiland has 405 Combat planes currently. Adding additional 58 J10C we will get a grand value of 463 combat planes.

Composition:
1. J10C - 72 (Currently 14 in service)
2. JF17 - 134
3. F16 - 75
4. Mirage III - 60 (Older Radar Grifo)
5. Mirage 5 - 69 (Older Radar Grifo)
6. Chengdu F7 - 53 (Dog shit)


Current IAF Composition consist of 636 Combat planes. We can take on PAF easily but against PLAAF it is a proper shit show.

Composition:
1. Rafale - 36
2. SU -30 MKI - 262
3. Tejas - MK1 - 32
4. MIG 29UPG - 65
5. Mirage 2000 - 51
6. Jaguar - 130 (My guess may be 60 airframes will go for Darin 3 upgrades, read in some article)
7. MIG 21 bison - 54 (Going to be replaced, shorthanded for now)

We can take on PAF in aerial combat. Also, Porkiland issue is all their critical area under our Rocket artillery range. So, Army can assist in fighting the Porks Air force.

On the other hand, PLAAF 1729 combat planes. Now the problem arises here. We are outmatched 3:1 ratio on combat planes.

Composition

1. JH - 7 - 216
2. J 7 - 388 (Garbage may be moved to do some basic task)
3. SU-27 - 50
4. SU - 76
5. SU 35 - 24
(Combine SU family here is 150 lesser than SU 30 MKI count)
Fun ends here:
6. J8 - 96 (Garbage)
7.J10 - 235 (Headache)
8. J11 - 346 (Massive Headache)
9. J16 - 128 (Massive headache)
10. J20 - 50 (Absolute Headache with Proper SEAD capable plane)


Lol. We don't have proper response here. For J10 we need a Tejas MK2. Against the SU series and J11, J16 we need Dassault Rafale and SU 30 MKI, for single engine fighters like J7, J8 JH7 we need a Tejas MK1A.

Still MK2 is on preproduction phase.
Rafale squadron level is low.
SU 30 MKI needs upgradation.
Tejas MK1A order size is insufficient.


Looks in this decade if we don't put our shit together then we are royally fucked out. Since J31 is under testing.

 

[Gyyan]

Entire Porkiland has 405 Combat planes currently. Adding additional 58 J10C we will get a grand value of 463 combat planes.

Composition:
1. J10C - 72 (Currently 14 in service)
2. JF17 - 134
3. F16 - 75
4. Mirage III - 60 (Older Radar Grifo)
5. Mirage 5 - 69 (Older Radar Grifo)
6. Chengdu F7 - 53 (Dog shit)


Current IAF Composition consist of 636 Combat planes. We can take on PAF easily but against PLAAF it is a proper shit show.

Composition:
1. Rafale - 36
2. SU -30 MKI - 262
3. Tejas - MK1 - 32
4. MIG 29UPG - 65
5. Mirage 2000 - 51
6. Jaguar - 130 (My guess may be 60 airframes will go for Darin 3 upgrades, read in some article)
7. MIG 21 bison - 54 (Going to be replaced, shorthanded for now)

We can take on PAF in aerial combat. Also, Porkiland issue is all their critical area under our Rocket artillery range. So, Army can assist in fighting the Porks Air force.

On the other hand, PLAAF 1729 combat planes. Now the problem arises here. We are outmatched 3:1 ratio.

Composition

1. JH - 7 - 216
2. J 7 - 388 (Garbage may be moved to do some basic task)
3. SU-27 - 50
4. SU - 76
5. SU 35 - 24
(Combine SU family here is 150 lesser than SU 30 MKI count)
Fun ends here:
6. J8 - 96 (Garbage)
7.J10 - 235 (Headache)
8. J11 - 346 (Massive Headache)
9. J16 - 128 (Massive headache)
10. J20 - 50 (Absolute Headache with Proper SEAD capable plane)


Lol. We don't have proper response here. For J10 we need a Tejas MK2. Against the SU series and J11, J16 we need Dassault Rafale and SU 30 MKI, for single engine fighters like J7, J8 JH7 we need a Tejas MK1A.

Still MK2 is on preproduction phase.
Rafale squadron level is low.
SU 30 MKI needs upgradation.
Tejas MK1A order size is insufficient.


Looks in this decade if we don't put our shit together then we are royally fucked out. Since J31 is under testing.

What we lack is time and the problematic part is we don't know if the world would go bonkers next day and a world war will start I mean a moron almost started World War by giving false statement that their enemy fired the missile and we have to somehow pass this decade they we will have 24(mk2) + amca whatever the production rate is
While china will be powerful enough to rival America.
I saw a video of binkovs battleground on how the PLAAF is outbuying the USAF

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

What we lack is time and the problematic part is we don't know if the world would go bonkers next day and a world war will start I mean a moron almost started World War by giving false statement that their enemy fired it and we have to somehow pass this decade they we will have 24(mk2) + amca whatever the production rate is
While china will be powerful enough to rival America.
I saw a video of binkovs battleground on how the PLAAF is outbuying the USAF

Well Current IAF chief on some Dream land. Only IAF chief who was in reality is RKS Sir. Few things we can do order Second tranche of Rafale 36 flights. Even that will come after 2024 for political reason. This will push the strength to 72 planes. Meanwhile give an increased order for MK1A and MK2 Tejas. Even checking out the TEDBF based ORCA. It is a twin engine platform. We can purchase them and augment it. But AMCA, TEDBF, ORCA will arrive by 2030. So current options are MK1A, Rafale, MK2.

 

[Gyyan]

Well Current IAF chief on some Dream land. Only IAF chief who was in reality is RKS Sir. Few things we can do order Second tranche of Rafale 36 flights. Even that will come after 2024 for political reason. This will push the strength to 72 planes. Meanwhile give an increased order for MK1A and MK2 Tejas. Even checking out the TEDBF based ORCA. It is a twin engine platform. We can purchase them and augment it. But AMCA, TEDBF, ORCA will arrive by 2030. So current options are MK1A, Rafale, MK2.

Mk2 isn't option as of now when it hasn't taken it's first flight yet and it won't enter production by
2027-2028.
There is a gap between 2023 to 2028 which is hard to fill.
Even RFP for MRFA is for mid 2023 and God knows how long it will take to select the aircraft and then the deliveries.

 

[anirban8]

Mk2 isn't option as of now when it hasn't taken it's first flight yet and it won't enter production by
2027-2028.
There is a gap between 2023 to 2028 which is hard to fill.
Even RFP for MRFA is for mid 2023 and God knows how long it will take to select the aircraft and then the deliveries.

We can always produce more MK1A's, the thing is everyone underestimates that thing. It comes with a powerful AESA and also will have good BVR and WVR capabilities in a few years. That is the solution to all our problems

 

[Gyyan]

We can always produce more MK1A's, the thing is everyone underestimates that thing. It comes with a powerful AESA and also will have good BVR and WVR capabilities in a few years. That is the solution to all our problems

MK1A is pretty much great counter to the PAF minus the J10s.

 

[jai jaganath]

Entire Porkiland has 405 Combat planes currently. Adding additional 58 J10C we will get a grand value of 463 combat planes.

Composition:
1. J10C - 72 (Currently 14 in service)
2. JF17 - 134
3. F16 - 75
4. Mirage III - 60 (Older Radar Grifo)
5. Mirage 5 - 69 (Older Radar Grifo)
6. Chengdu F7 - 53 (Dog shit)


Current IAF Composition consist of 636 Combat planes. We can take on PAF easily but against PLAAF it is a proper shit show.

Composition:
1. Rafale - 36
2. SU -30 MKI - 262
3. Tejas - MK1 - 32
4. MIG 29UPG - 65
5. Mirage 2000 - 51
6. Jaguar - 130 (My guess may be 60 airframes will go for Darin 3 upgrades, read in some article)
7. MIG 21 bison - 54 (Going to be replaced, shorthanded for now)

We can take on PAF in aerial combat. Also, Porkiland issue is all their critical area under our Rocket artillery range. So, Army can assist in fighting the Porks Air force.

On the other hand, PLAAF 1729 combat planes. Now the problem arises here. We are outmatched 3:1 ratio on combat planes.

Composition

1. JH - 7 - 216
2. J 7 - 388 (Garbage may be moved to do some basic task)
3. SU-27 - 50
4. SU - 76
5. SU 35 - 24
(Combine SU family here is 150 lesser than SU 30 MKI count)
Fun ends here:
6. J8 - 96 (Garbage)
7.J10 - 235 (Headache)
8. J11 - 346 (Massive Headache)
9. J16 - 128 (Massive headache)
10. J20 - 50 (Absolute Headache with Proper SEAD capable plane)


Lol. We don't have proper response here. For J10 we need a Tejas MK2. Against the SU series and J11, J16 we need Dassault Rafale and SU 30 MKI, for single engine fighters like J7, J8 JH7 we need a Tejas MK1A.

Still MK2 is on preproduction phase.
Rafale squadron level is low.
SU 30 MKI needs upgradation.
Tejas MK1A order size is insufficient.


Looks in this decade if we don't put our shit together then we are royally fucked out. Since J31 is under testing.

Bro pls don't think they will stop their j-10ce nos here
They will procure in 100s literally a huge nos
Their strength is gonna increase with time
Their awacs easily outnumber us
It's fact they will be matching our nis by 2027-28

 

[jai jaganath]

Mk2 isn't option as of now when it hasn't taken it's first flight yet and it won't enter production by
2027-2028.
There is a gap between 2023 to 2028 which is hard to fill.
Even RFP for MRFA is for mid 2023 and God knows how long it will take to select the aircraft and then the deliveries.

Mk2 won't be coming before 2030
Even production in 2030 will be miracle

 

[Gyyan]

I saw a video of alpha defense where he says the mk1As uttam is better than the f21s SABR AN/APG83 which somehow baffled me I tried to look up on the f21s radar and got varying data from different website.

 

[anirban8]

MK1A is pretty much great counter to the PAF minus the J10s.

Again!!WHY minus J10???Jammer and radar of 1A is on par with J10. In BVR combat it does not matter and in WVR combat (assuming 1A actually has lower kinematic performance) there are a multitude of factors that no one can possibly take into account.

 

[jai jaganath]

Again!!WHY minus J10???Jammer and radar of 1A is on par with J10. In BVR combat it does not matter and in WVR combat (assuming 1A actually has lower kinematic performance) there are a multitude of factors that no one can possibly take into account.

How can u compare an aircraft which is of medium category to light one bro
How can u compare mere 83 nos by 2028 against 400-500(now it's 300 but nos will increase definitely)
Payload, sensors, powerplant, etc.

 

[Gyyan]

I saw a video of alpha defense where he says the mk1As uttam is better than the f21s SABR AN/APG83 which somehow baffled me I tried to look up on the f21s radar and got varying data from different website.

Got anything on this somehow this feels too outrageous to be true.

 

[anirban8]

How can u compare an aircraft which is of medium category to light one bro
How can u compare mere 83 nos by 2028 against 400-500(now it's 300 but nos will increase definitely)
Payload, sensors, powerplant, etc.

1>You can always order more and field more of them by 2028
2> They are going to fight so any comparison is meaningless anyways
3> We can always field more1A's vs the 10s (if we play smart) even if our numbers are lower

So through sheer numerical supremacy and the chaos of war (and also believing some amriki experts that chinese electronics not good)1A is going to give a decent fight to 10

 

[Gyyan]

1>You can always order more and field more of them by 2028
2> They are going to fight so any comparison is meaningless anyways
3> We can always field more1A's vs the 10s (if we play smart) even if our numbers are lower

So through sheer numerical supremacy and the chaos of war (and also believing some amriki experts that chinese electronics not good)1A is going to give a decent fight to 10

Americans do maintain ambiguity on Chinese tech on one hand they say they need something to outgun the pl15 while a lot of others deny this.
Then one of the general said how they were impressed by the command and control of j20 while at other times they say j20 isn't anything to loose sleep over again you can see them deploying the f22 in Japan with the f15s.
It's a part of their strategy to deal with china.
And most of the indian youtubers i have seen take the bad examples and then tell how bad Chinese tech is and underestimate them.
It maybe of bad quality but it isn't as bad as how we perceive it due to examples from my childhood times that is the 2000-2010.
They have upper hand and it's quite cringy how we sometimes act like pakistanis and underestimate a superior enemy.

 

[jai jaganath]

1>You can always order more and field more of them by 2028
2> They are going to fight so any comparison is meaningless anyways
3> We can always field more1A's vs the 10s (if we play smart) even if our numbers are lower

So through sheer numerical supremacy and the chaos of war (and also believing some amriki experts that chinese electronics not good)1A is going to give a decent fight to 10

1)this is literally assumption without factual existence of capability
Hal has stated 16 aircrafts pm by 2028 u can field only 83 that's final
We don't have any functional mic to expand the production in short period
So forget about it
2)they are comparable and that weighs down to j-10ce as a powerful engine can support a good payload and sensors
They literally brought best Israeli design and further on it
3)that's a different issue but I don't think usa is gonna open a front against us Moreover they have more jets than ours
Stop listening to American experts they are doing their job
Fact is Chinese electronics is superior bcoz they entered ahead of us in this field
They produced in more nos so correcting the error becomes common

 

[Fatalis]

 

[jai jaganath]

Americans do maintain ambiguity on Chinese tech on one hand they say they need something to outgun the pl15 while a lot of others deny this.
Then one of the general said how they were impressed by the command and control of j20 while at other times they say j20 isn't anything to loose sleep over again you can see them deploying the f22 in Japan with the f15s.
It's a part of their strategy to deal with china.
And most of the indian youtubers i have seen take the bad examples and then tell how bad Chinese tech is and underestimate them.
It maybe of bad quality but it isn't as bad as how we perceive it due to examples from my childhood times that is the 2000-2010.
They have upper hand and it's quite cringy how we sometimes act like pakistanis and underestimate a superior enemy.

This quality things were topics of last decade now they are atleast ahead of us

 

[Gyyan]

I have read some comments on quora

This quality things were topics of last decade now they are atleast ahead of us

I have seen quite a lot of similar stuff on the forum itself how some senior called j20 a 3+++ and stuff. I know he was trolling but it was cringy nonetheless.

 

[jai jaganath]

Do we have hpr in service currently

 

[jai jaganath]

I have read some comments on quora
I have seen quite a lot of similar stuff on the forum itself how some senior called j20 a 3+++ and stuff. I know he was trolling but it was cringy nonetheless.

There are some superiority complex guys in our forum
So better ignore them