Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Tanmay]

Goodness damn, so we deployed Aakash batteries at Gwaiior, Tezpur and Lohegaon Airbases but this one slipped the budget? Probably S125 was chosen because of it's operational record of downing an F16 USAF jet in Iraq war. :biggrin2:

I believe Gwalior and Lohegoan Akash Squadrons were setup to train personnel, prepare SOPs and get acquainted with new systems in safe environment. Gwalior also houses TACDE and Mirages, so new strategies and SOPs could be planned and tested. Lohegaon for Sukhois.

All major Airbases in North East got Akash as they never had Pechoras or any major SAM system. So to counter Chinese threat new Akash squadrons were first raised there.

Western and Northern India had SA-2 and Pechora's since many decades. The new 7 Akash squadrons meant for SWAC under order are delayed. So is MRSAM.

Spyders were deployed at Srinagar. But could not spot them.

 

[Filtercoffee]

Another 72 Su-30 MKI should be ordered because getting new air frames will need more 'trails and tribulations' for the staff which is a waste of time.

Another look at the time spent to get Rafales here, only 36 of them, will show all about the strategic and technical time needed to induct a new type. I hope the dedicated and chosen committee reads this and chooses wisely the Sukhois, which; are to be ordered due to the 'depletion' of fighters and squadrons.

Also most of the older aircraft retired are in storage and can be highly upgraded quickly by the government agency and the aircraft industry presenting their new works.

Another technical problem they forget is the probes which will follow after new orders are placed of a new aircraft. The Su-30 MKIs are to be upgraded soon so that too is another probe problem in finance.

So for a smooth transition, Su-30 MKI are the best option for number increase and low staff fatigue, which they might shrug away giving in more time day and night in 'simulations'. "Jai Hind!".

 

[IndianHawk]

Another 72 Su-30 MKI should be ordered because getting new air frames will need more 'trails and tribulations' for the staff which is a waste of time.

Another look at the time spent to get Rafales here, only 36 of them, will show all about the strategic and technical time needed to induct a new type. I hope the dedicated and chosen committee reads this and chooses wisely the Sukhois, which; are to be ordered due to the 'depletion' of fighters and squadrons.

Also most of the older aircraft retired are in storage and can be highly upgraded quickly by the government agency and the aircraft industry presenting their new works.

Another technical problem they forget is the probes which will follow after new orders are placed of a new aircraft. The Su-30 MKIs are to be upgraded soon so that too is another probe problem in finance.

So for a smooth transition, Su-30 MKI are the best option for number increase and low staff fatigue, which they might shrug away giving in more time day and night in 'simulations'. "Jai Hind!".

Problem is that su30 is very expensive to maintain and it requires two pilots .

For 72 more su30mki we need 144pilots + reserve pilots. Which adds lifetime of costs.


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[bhramos]

Wreckage of An-12 BL-534 that went missing in Feb 1968 found in Dhaka Glacier by expeditor of the Army’s Dogra Scouts. Went missing over the Rohtang pass. Items recovered include parts of engine, fuselage, circuits, propeller, fuel tank unit, air brake assembly & cockpit door.

 

[Aashk]

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[Filtercoffee]

Problem is that su30 is very expensive to maintain and it requires two pilots .

For 72 more su30mki we need 144pilots + reserve pilots. Which adds lifetime of costs.


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There is a waiting line long enough for a while to fly the SU-30 MKI so, I dont think there is a problem to get more flyers. There would be a need for training senior crew to teach themselves about the new aircraft if bought and then taking ten years to perfect themselves on it and pass on the training to the new crew. The Indian Air Force has perfected the whole life cycle of the SU-30 MKI, so dont believe the usual sadist about cost and trails. I know its Indian 'juggad' at its best. Jai Hind.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

https://theprint.in/defence/iaf-set...could-buy-more-su-30-mkis-instead/278687/amp/ ( NEW SUKHOI DOWNGRADE OF POWER IN JAGUAR JET ENGINES.) The Indian Air Force is set to shelve its plan for an engine upgrade of the Jaguar deep penetration strike aircraft due to the high cost involved. Instead, it could go in for additional Sukhoi Su-30 MKIs to replace the aircraft that will be grounded, ThePrint has learnt

 

[Narasimh]

https://theprint.in/defence/iaf-set...could-buy-more-su-30-mkis-instead/278687/amp/ ( NEW SUKHOI DOWNGRADE OF POWER IN JAGUAR JET ENGINES.) The Indian Air Force is set to shelve its plan for an engine upgrade of the Jaguar deep penetration strike aircraft due to the high cost involved. Instead, it could go in for additional Sukhoi Su-30 MKIs to replace the aircraft that will be grounded, ThePrint has learnt

Good that they dropped engine upgrade idea but how is Su30 a replacement?

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Good that they dropped engine upgrade idea but how is Su30 a replacement?

More Sukhois
A source said the plan to procure more Sukhois was being considered because it could fulfil a similar role.

“One plan is to order more Su-30 MKIs to replace those fighters that would be grounded. As far as role is concerned, one Sukhoi can play the same role as two Jaguars,” the source said.

“We can’t really afford to ground the entire fleet if the engines become a problem. If we do that, our fighter squadron strength will come down to that of Pakistan. Not to forget that out of those 25 squadrons, we still have some of ageing MiGs.” ( article states this)

 

[IndianHawk]

There is a waiting line long enough for a while to fly the SU-30 MKI so, I dont think there is a problem to get more flyers. There would be a need for training senior crew to teach themselves about the new aircraft if bought and then taking ten years to perfect themselves on it and pass on the training to the new crew. The Indian Air Force has perfected the whole life cycle of the SU-30 MKI, so dont believe the usual sadist about cost and trails. I know its Indian 'juggad' at its best. Jai Hind.

Most of the world prefers single pilot planes because pilots are bloody expensive to train to pay/ pension. We ourselves are only developing single pilot planes from here on.

You not just need 2 pilots for su30 you need 2 in reserve in case of frequent missions.



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[IndianHawk]

More Sukhois
A source said the plan to procure more Sukhois was being considered because it could fulfil a similar role.

“One plan is to order more Su-30 MKIs to replace those fighters that would be grounded. As far as role is concerned, one Sukhoi can play the same role as two Jaguars,” the source said.

“We can’t really afford to ground the entire fleet if the engines become a problem. If we do that, our fighter squadron strength will come down to that of Pakistan. Not to forget that out of those 25 squadrons, we still have some of ageing MiGs.” ( article states this) what do you think? Do you think su-30 will be good for this role?

Pakistani squadron have majority of mirage 3 , 5 and f 7. All of which are more obsolete and less capable than the oldest jaguar of India.

This bullshit of Pakistani squadron strength needs to go away.

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[Assassin 2.0]

Pakistani squadron have majority of mirage 3 , 5 and f 7. All of which are more obsolete and less capable than the oldest jaguar of India.

This bullshit of Pakistani squadron strength needs to go away.

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But we need more jets if we keep Chinese in mind and Pakistani F-16s are pretty capable. Junk - 17 is also becoming good. I had high hope from tejas HAL destroyed that plan. What do you think what should be the way forward for IAF?

 

[IndianHawk]

But we need more jets if we keep Chinese in mind and Pakistani F-16s are pretty capable. Junk - 17 is also becoming good. I had high hope from tejas HAL destroyed that plan. What do you think what should be the way forward for IAF?

The only viable plan is to go indegenios.
Lca mk1a can take care of f16 . Junk 17 is mig21 clone.

Against China we need rafale and amca to counter j20 and su35. J20 still needs 2 decades to become fully stealth as China doesn't have stealth engine and rafale is more advanced in avionics and weaponary.

What we have ( including certain orders)
13 su30 MKI
6 mig29upg + mirage upg
2 rafale
2 lca mk1 ( will be upgraded to mk1a)
6 jaguar ( if not upgraded will be retired by 2025).
6 mig21 squadron. ( Actual number may be lesser)

That's 35 sq.
Now to 6sq mig 21 going and 4 mk1a will be ordered make them 6sq to replace all mig21.

6 jaguar if going by 2025( no upgrade) then replace them with 2 more rafale sq + 2 more su30mki.

Mig 29 and mirage will be replaced in 2030s by mwf.

Maintain 30+.sq this way and once mwf and AMCA production starts ramp up to 42 using these two.

If need more teeth order 2 more rafale squadron.

Meanwhile upgrade su30 MKI to su35 level so that it can match Chinese su35 and outmatch Chinese su30 clones.





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[Narasimh]

More Sukhois
A source said the plan to procure more Sukhois was being considered because it could fulfil a similar role.

“One plan is to order more Su-30 MKIs to replace those fighters that would be grounded. As far as role is concerned, one Sukhoi can play the same role as two Jaguars,” the source said.

“We can’t really afford to ground the entire fleet if the engines become a problem. If we do that, our fighter squadron strength will come down to that of Pakistan. Not to forget that out of those 25 squadrons, we still have some of ageing MiGs.” ( article states this)

Su30s although multirole are not best for air support role. Su-25s and 34s are specifically designed for that purpose but we wont get them. Maybe Mirages, Rafales and Tejas should take on that role.. also have a doctrine to include Hawk trainers for war time.. they can prove to be good for CAS if not deep strike.

 

[bhramos]

Indian Air Force will not upgrade the engine of Jaguar aircraft, will buy Sukhoi-30 MKI Diprint Senior Associate Editor Sneesh Alex Philippe in return
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[bhramos]

IAF set to shelve Jaguar engine upgrade, could buy more Su-30 MKIs instead

 

[bhramos]

BRILLIANT RESCUE by Jawans of Indian Air Force

Two persons rescued after they got stuck near a bridge in JAMMU following a sudden increase in the water level of Tawi river

 

[ezsasa]

BRILLIANT RESCUE by Jawans of Indian Air Force

Two persons rescued after they got stuck near a bridge in JAMMU following a sudden increase in the water level of Tawi river

Probably garud? Because of the camo...

 

[Wisemarko]

An Indian facility that makes Su-30MKI jets may shut down, toppling 400 local suppliers

A senior executive of India’s state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited said the company, which owns the facility, will complete the production of the remaining eight Su-30MKI fighters on order by March. Then the production facility at Nasik, central India, could shut down if no new orders are placed, the executive warned.

An executive with the industry lobby group Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce & Industry, said 400 local suppliers that build about 6,000 components worth $12.5 million for each Su-30MKI fighter may also shut down if no new orders are placed with HAL.

HAL produces about 12 Su-30MKI multirole fighters each year. The company is expected to complete the delivery of 272 Su-30MKI fighters by March 2020.

Another HAL executive said a formal request has been sent to the Indian Air Force and the Ministry for Defense that they place an additional order for 72 locally made Su-30MKI fighters for about $5 billion, but the government has not yet made a decision.

A senior Air Force official said the service could only order 18 fighters as a response to the number of Su-30MKI jets lost in accidents over the last two decades.

The Air Force is not eager to place large orders of these fighters because of the cost of locally made Su-30MKI jets.

“Each HAL-built Su-30MKI fighter costs around $70.3 million, where as a Russia-supplied fighter costs around $42.15 million,” the senior Air Force official said.

A senior MoD official said that Russia last month tried to pressure the Indian government to order an additional 72 Su-30MKI fighters with HAL, but the Indian Air Force is reluctant to place new orders in such a large number.

“The HAL built Su-30MKI fighter is not fully indigenized, only 51 percent is homemade, where the remaining 49 percent of supplies still comes from Russia,” said Bhim Sigh, a retired wing commander with the Indian Air Force.

Singh noted that most of the raw materials are sourced from Russia, including titanium blocks, forgings, aluminium and steel plates, as well as low-tech items such as nuts, bolts and screws.

HAL continues to depend on Russia as the original equipment manufacturer for components, raw material, servicing and overhaul of the fighters.


Source: Defense News

No wonder IAF does not want HAL to make more of these. Russians are having a field day using HAL to make additional profits.

 

[Enquirer]

IAF set to shelve Jaguar engine upgrade, could buy more Su-30 MKIs instead

https://theprint.in/defence/iaf-set...ade-could-buy-more-su-30-mkis-instead/278687/

Seems like Honeywell overplayed its 'monopolistic' position and lost out completely!
While its true that no engine other than Honeywell's F-125 could be used for Jaguar upgrade, the nutjobs didn't realize that the whole of Jaguars themselves might be replaced with other aircraft!!

Honeywell definitely got greedy with the pricing!!!