Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[DG7867]

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[aarav]

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[tarunraju]

Should India buy 2 squadrons of Gripen NG just for their compatibility with Meteor AAMs? They're about 2/3rd the price of a Rafale? Gripen NG would be an interesting way to build strike packages that consist of Rafales and Gripens?

 

[Anikastha]

Should India buy 2 squadrons of Gripen NG just for their compatibility with Meteor AAMs? They're about 2/3rd the price of a Rafale? Gripen NG would be an interesting way to build strike packages that consist of Rafales and Gripens?

thats good idea......but gripen ?
it will kill LCA program.......

 

[Vijyes]

Should India buy 2 squadrons of Gripen NG just for their compatibility with Meteor AAMs? They're about 2/3rd the price of a Rafale? Gripen NG would be an interesting way to build strike packages that consist of Rafales and Gripens?

Don't expect Gripen to be ready before 2030. Moreover, Gripen NG will have F404 which is 98kN engine whereas MWF will have 110kN engine. The payload of Gripen NG will only be slightly better than Tejas MK1. This is too bad to be considered for

 

[IndianHawk]

Should India buy 2 squadrons of Gripen NG just for their compatibility with Meteor AAMs? They're about 2/3rd the price of a Rafale? Gripen NG would be an interesting way to build strike packages that consist of Rafales and Gripens?

Gripen Ng will be ready (FOC) by only 2023. While mwf will be ready by 2026-27.

Now mwf will be less costly cos it's desi.
Will integrate all Indian/ Russian / western / Israeli weapons because Indian aesa radar and Indian ew suite.

It will use sfdr with 340 km range and Astra mk2 with dual pulse motor (150km+) + bramhos Ng .

Gripen is redundant for us. Just by more rafale and invest more money in mwf , sfdr.

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[IndianHawk]

Don't expect Gripen to be ready before 2030. Moreover, Gripen NG will have F404 which is 98kN engine whereas MWF will have 110kN engine. The payload of Gripen NG will only be slightly better than Tejas MK1. This is too bad to be considered for

Gripen Ng has f414 same as mwf.

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[IndianHawk]

I have a question for french members.
France still has 100 something mirage , so are they being integrated with meteor ? Is there a plan to do so?

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[Vijyes]

Gripen Ng has f414 same as mwf.

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MWF will have 110KN engine made by DRDO, same as AMCA. For the initial prototypes, the engine will be F414. But Gripen will have only F414 without any intention of upgrades. This means MWF will have 12-13% more thrust than Gripen.

PS- Gripen will not be ready by 2023. They are so incompetent that they changed the specification of Gripen to 8ton empty weight from 7ton in 2018. Surely, they won't complete it by 2023.

 

[IndianHawk]

MWF will have 110KN engine made by DRDO, same as AMCA. For the initial prototypes, the engine will be F414. But Gripen will have only F414 without any intention of upgrades. This means MWF will have 12-13% more thrust than Gripen.

PS- Gripen will not be ready by 2023. They are so incompetent that they changed the specification of Gripen to 8ton empty weight from 7ton in 2018. Surely, they won't complete it by 2023.

Well discuss that when DRDO engine is ready.


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[Vijyes]

Well discuss that when DRDO engine is ready.


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You too discuss it when Gripen is ready and MWF is ready.

 

[IndianHawk]

https://idrw.org/mwf-af-will-have-higher-indigenous-content-drdo-chief/

Mwf design complete. First flight by 2023 or end 2022. Work on first prototype to start by end of this year itself.

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[arya]

when new missile for IAF will come to india which we signed with russia & other countries.

 

[Tanmay]

Elite defence journalists confirm Su-30s and Pechora SAMs at Srinagar AFS and pass it as some new stuff !!

The Pechoras have been there at the same place for more than 2 decades !! And he mentions it as new air defence ring. While Sukhois were there ever since Balakot.

 

[mayfair]

@Iyerval is a certified ch****ya and too much in love with himself, believes his own hype and inflates his hot air balloon even more.

That said, his eagerness to jump into situations to establish his crusading activist credentials do work well from time to time, such as when he trolls the Bakis or when he takes it to BBC and Al Jazeera in this case.

 

[binayak95]

@Iyerval is a certified ch****ya and too much in love with himself, believes his own hype and inflates his hot air balloon even more.

That said, his eagerness to jump into situations to establish his crusading activist credentials do work well from time to time, such as when he trolls the Bakis or when he takes it to BBC and Al Jazeera in this case.

The idiot recently claimed Barak 8 test fires from the Kolkatas failed because IN mixed up sensors and weapons from different vendors.

Bullshitter.

 

[Prashant12]

HAL pitches for 4 more squadrons of Su-30MKI

The proposal for manufacturing 72 more fighter jets to add to the current order for 272 was made by the HAL but officials said that the air force has not been keen due to budgetary issues.

State-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) has pitched for an order to manufacture four additional squadrons of the Su-30 MKI jets to quickly meet gaps in fighter squadron strength but the air force seems to be only keen on ordering replacements for aircraft that have been lost in accidents.

The proposal for manufacturing 72 more fighter jets to add to the current order for 272 was made by the HAL but officials said that the air force has not been keen due to budgetary issues. HAL is hopeful that an order for at least 10 additional aircraft is placed this year so that its Sukhoi manufacturing plant in Nasik does not fall idle.

“If we are looking at a strength of 42 squadrons for the air force, the fastest means of getting it is to go for more Light Combat Aircraft and the Su-30 MKI jets. We are currently making 12 of the fighters per year at the Nasik plant,” HAL chairman R Madhavan told ET.

The company has shared cost breakups to manufacture one, two, three or four squadrons, leaving it for the air force to take a call on the numbers that it wants. Sources have told ET that as of now, the air force is only looking at an order of 8-10 more of the jets to make up for accident losses.

A worry for HAL is that if orders for the jets are not placed this year, its manufacturing line in Nasik will go defunct and the base of Indian vendors that it has created over the past decades will get disrupted. HAL currently produces the jets for around ?450 crore each.

“If the order does not come this year, there will be a two year gap before the line can be restarted as we have to order kits and other parts. The vendor base will be out of business and the ramp up after the gap will be both costly and time consuming,” Madhavan said.

HAL’s proposal, which his currently being discussed with the defence ministry, is to supply the additional aircraft at prices that have already been negotiated for older orders by adding the standard annual escalation.

“This is the fastest method to get more fighter jets. The attrition rate of the older MiG 21s and Jaguar jets is very high. Even if a contract is signed with a foreign manufacturer, it will take at least three years to get the first aircraft,” the HAL chief said, adding that the company is awaiting responses to its proposals from the air force and ministry of defence.

The air force, which is awaiting the delivery of its first new Rafale fighter jets next month, is keen on adding to its order for 36 of the French origin aircraft, with sources telling ET that it requires at least two more squadrons.

The concern being a rapidly decreasing squadron strength that currently lies at 30 but is expected to dip rapidly over the next two years as the MiG 21 and 27 series of fighters are retired from service. An ongoing process to select a foreign partner and Indian manufacturer to make 114 new fighter jets under ‘Make in India’ expected to take at least five years and the air force’s worry is that its conventional edge could be blunted due to a lack of numbers.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...quadrons-of-su-30mki/articleshow/70668419.cms

 

[WolfPack86]

The #IndianAirForce seems to be only keen on ordering replacements for aircraft that have been lost in accidents.

 

[scatterStorm]

Elite defence journalists confirm Su-30s and Pechora SAMs at Srinagar AFS and pass it as some new stuff !!

The Pechoras have been there at the same place for more than 2 decades !! And he mentions it as new air defence ring. While Sukhois were there ever since Balakot.

Goodness damn, so we deployed Aakash batteries at Gwaiior, Tezpur and Lohegaon Airbases but this one slipped the budget? Probably S125 was chosen because of it's operational record of downing an F16 USAF jet in Iraq war. :biggrin2:

 

[DG7867]

The #IndianAirForce seems to be only keen on ordering replacements for aircraft that have been lost in accidents.

Most likely because they are expensive to maintain, since they are H-MRCA. Buying addl. flankers will put more stress on IAF's budget.