Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[scatterStorm]

I have a another theory , wat if downed pilot was su30 one but we all know su30 service availability so during scramble time he won't have su30 so he fall back to mig21 where his wing man was su30, also the downed pilot was wing commander he will be the lead aircrfai those who know the areai engagement the lead aircraft is the one take the calls, while su30 act as support, due to some constrian wing man have to fall back and protect the maon target while cue uping jf17 or mirages come with strike package hw04 SOW while wing man locked them on radar with r77-1 they flee ,while wing comandcom on presuit of Air defence fighter f16 try to go super sonic and crossed the loc while he got solution and fired r73 downing f16 but airdefnse of f16 wing man pilot made a lock on mig21 and shoot it also down

This is USAF doctrine where front-line fighter say F22 going deep in enemy territory for intelligence gathering and later data linking info to other air superiority assets in the airspace is something we still don't practise. We can but we don't do it like that. In fact F22s don't even go deep inside enemy territory, e.g. is the recent push into Syrian airspace for bombing ISIS targets (we all know it didn't went there to do that) ... it may have just utilised it's powerful radar to look beyond, thus mitigating the risk to fly alone.

SU30 MKIs bars radar is powerful enough to do that without going deep into enemy territory. The IAF just played supposedly the Cope 2004 tactic, using the Mig 21s go blind and Mig-21 pilots were fed info via comm links.

This also gives weight to why IAF pilots don't use Bars in air exercises, it has some advantage after all.
Just to put some more perspective, the bars radar can detect F16 within distances of 140-160 km ahead.

here's what Retired U.S. Air Force Major General Michael Snodgrass, then a colonel commanding the 3rd Wing at Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska, which had sent jets to take part in the exercise, said that the Bisons and the Su-30MKIs proved to be the most formidable opponents. “The outcome of the exercise boils down to [the fact that] they ran tactics that were more advanced than we expected... They could come up with a game plan, but if it wasn't working they would call an audible and change [tactics in flight],”

Interesting thing is ... notice these lines ... "they would call an audible and change tactics in flight" ... this means voice communication were taking place b/w mig 21 and Su30 MKI pilots that day as well, maybe.

 

[WARREN SS]

Probably because Mig-21 were there first in the air space. And it seems to me that airforce has there own tactics. Maybe it would have been used if the playbook demanded it.

ell What MBDA Claimed in 2010 in their Carrier Exercises


"MICA has a multi-purpose capability consistent with carrier aircraft weapons systems and a "pull and forget" capability.
Missile MICA EM about to be mounted on a Rafale M F3 during Operation Harmattan. (© MBDA) Missile MICA EM about to be mounted on a Rafale M F3 during Operation Harmattan. (© MBDA) Electromagnetic MICA is more for long-range engagements and the Infrared MICA is more for short-range engagements. At the end of 2010, MBDA announced a remarkable success rate of 93% on 240 shots made.

Source
https://www.defense.gouv.fr/air/technologies/armement/air-air/armement-air-air

In the air-to-air armament range, the air force is also equipped with Mica missiles (interception, combat and self-defense missiles). It is, today, the missile of interception of the forces. Thanks to this technology, the institution holds two missiles with different interception capabilities: the Mica EM (electromagnetic, commissioned in 1999) and the Mica IR (infrared, in service since 2007). This armament, 100% French, is exported to four countries: Taiwan, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Greece. This small missile of 112 kg and 3.1 meters in length is highly manoeuvrable. Multirole, it is as much used for its long range (the class of the 100 km) than for the short shots (the class of 500 meters). It can be used in interception operations, close combat and self-defense.

Source:https://www.defense.gouv.fr/air/technologies/armement/air-air/armement-air-air

MBDA Claimed in MICA

1. Higher G load upto 50g
2. Higher Speed (Mach 4)
3. TVC
4. Better NEZ
5. MICA NG Second generation of MICA designed against stealthy targets. Infrared seeker will use a matrix sensor providing greater sensitivity. The radio frequency seeker will use an AESA

 

[Dazzler]

IMHO ... both the jets shot each other, Wing comm. Abhinandan was lucky enough to eject, while F16 pilot wasn't. Here's an excerpt from an analyst from the drive.com:

"You don't have to take Tyler Rogoway's word for this. The USAF found this out the hard way during one of the most beneficial learning moments in modern air combat training history. Cope India 2004 saw American F-15Cs paired off against the pointy-end of India's wildly diverse Air Force. Although India's Su-30Ks were close to the best thing Russia had to export at the time, and their French-built Mirage 2000s were certainly not to be discounted, the most surprising star of the exercise was the insidious little Bison.

During the air combat training drills, Indian Air Force Su-30Ks would use their powerful radars to build-up situational awareness and then data-link their 'picture' to other aircraft in the airborne force, which seemed to include the upgraded MiG-21s. Either way, the Su-30 pilots could also use radio communications to inform the Bisons of threats and tactical opportunities. The Bison pilots, running with their radars off and emitting few to no electronic emissions that could alert the F-15 crews as to their whereabouts, would use this situational information to their advantage."

The run down on that day exercised just like IAF battled with F15c on that day:

1. The DRDO Netra was providing situational awareness.
2. The SU30MKIs were also providing tactical data and comm link support.
3. The Mirage 2000s were deployed for extended deep air penetration support.
4. The Mig-21 Bisons were on hot with there "radars off" ... they were going blink with just comm support from SU30MKIs passing feed of Netra and its own radar.
5. The Elta jamming pod at close proximity did the rest.

The Cope India 2004 tactic maybe was well executed.

Deny all you like, but nothing can beat this! 27th Feb will remain a day t remember for very different reasons.

 

[Joker]

Deny all you like, but nothing can beat this! 27th Feb will remain a day t remember for very different reasons.

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So that is the capability of Paki air farce .they can surprise you, and once they do, they go home by hastily dropping g the payload and making medals and shoulder patches saying "we surprised you".....lolz
And to celebrate , we let the jahil Awam kill one of our own and not accept it.

 

[Narasimh]

Deny all you like, but nothing can beat this! 27th Feb will remain a day t remember for very different reasons.

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"..And got a shock in return!" ... cmon man just adjust the font size.. not a big deal to fit the complete thing in there!

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Deny all you like, but nothing can beat this! 27th Feb will remain a day t remember for very different reasons.

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Your neighbor has beaten you after getting inside your home. And you responded by throwing some garbage at wall if his house.
The thing you call your "capability".

 

[mayfair]

The thing you call your "capability".

That is what is called their "personality"

 

[chetan chopade]

Deny all you like, but nothing can beat this! 27th Feb will remain a day t remember for very different reasons.

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awww how cute...a little air force celebrating little things to buck up itself!!! ISPR Gafool has stated himself that 24 paki jets managed to "throw over loc" some pathetic payload while remaining in POK airspace...

our brave WC abhi crossed LOC hunted down your best EFF SHOLAH in an outdated Mig...crashed and returned home under 48 hours after karachi attack scared the shit out of you people (accepted by Imrand in parliament)...

while Gafool ate his own shit of "other two pilots/ hospitalized pilot" in embarrassment of paki lynching their own pilot...tch tch tch

poor pilot...and pathetic PAF celebrates that day

 

[tsunami]

More like tried to surprise us and got slapped instead

 

[Filtercoffee]

What will the top speed be of the HF 24 (24048 LBS) with two GTX35VS Kaveri (81KN full afterburner)? Imagine this being tested...

 

[itsme]

Deny all you like, but nothing can beat this! 27th Feb will remain a day t remember for very different reasons.

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Lol But the biggest surprise for IAF was on Feb 26th when they could carry out a deep penetration strike mission unchallenged when PAF was at high alert. That entire country and its institutions are jokers.

 

[Defcon 1]

Deny all you like, but nothing can beat this! 27th Feb will remain a day t remember for very different reasons.

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It is actually Pakistan's habit to deny downing of their aircraft. Just like they were trying to deny in 1987 that their F16 was shot down by Afghan air force by claiming it to be friendly fire. Pakistanis give bad name to advanced US weapons.

 

[DivineHeretic]

It is actually Pakistan's habit to deny downing of their aircraft. Just like they were trying to deny in 1987 that their F16 was shot down by Afghan air force by claiming it to be friendly fire. Pakistanis give bad name to advanced US weapons.

Funny things start to happen when incompetence meets arrogance meets gloating over imagined past prowess. One ends up lying, and then believing ones own lies.

 

[Akhileshwa]

Funny things start to happen when incompetence meets arrogance meets gloating over imagined past prowess. One ends up lying, and then believing ones own lies.

What are you even talking about.?

 

[mayfair]

He is referring to Napakis and their delusions of grandeour and the pathological liars that they are.

 

[Jackd]

Funny video.......................

 

[captscooby81]

CH-47 Flying over Chandigarh .the inductions is not far i believe ..

 

[captscooby81]

Servicing delays ground India’s best fighter jets SU-30 MKI
With India and Pakistan sabre-rattling over cross-border skirmishes, a distressing fact about India’s premier fighter jets has come to light.

NEW DELHI: With India and Pakistan sabre-rattling over cross-border skirmishes, a distressing fact about India’s premier fighter jets has come to light. According to sources, over 20 SU-30 MKI fighters, the backbone of the Indian Air Force, are lying with Hindustan Aeronautics for overhaul and are not available for combat.

While HAL has 15 overhauling lines, it could service only 10 aircraft last year. MoD sources highlighted the problem and said that “assuming the massive effect of the problem, remedial measures have been taken.”

“The delay is of three years. While the HAL had 15 overhauling/serving lines and it was not able to complete the task, Air Force’s Base Repair Depots have set up 10 additional lines to make up for the loss of time,” added the sources.

HAL sources said the aim is to bring the time period for overhauling/serving to 22 months in the next two years and then the BRD will assist in bringing it down to 15 months.

Every IAF fighter aircraft goes to HAL for major overhauling and servicing. In case of Sukhois, they are due for overhauling after completing 1,200 hours of flying time. The minor overhauling of the IAF aircraft and helicopters is done at the unit level.

Initially, the schedule to complete the overhauling was 14 months but HAL wanted the time raised to 22 months. However, HAL has not been able to meet even this target as it takes around 27 months to overhaul/service one SU 30 MKI. This delay has caused a number of Sukhois to be non-operational.

The matter assumes significance in the light of losses of fighters in recent months. This year, the number of fighter squadrons is down to 30 against the authorised strength of 42

HALMKB

 

[Filtercoffee]

The HF 24 Marut revised for the MMRCA requirement with two GTX 35 VS Kaveri engines with thrust reversal and vectoring, full canopy unlike the LCA or its old movement and obstructive structure with AMCA level instruments and materials. Do let me know how it is, I would love to know some progressive inputs to help it get a better AoA.

 

[Bleh]

The HF 24 Marut revised for the MMRCA requirement with two GTX 35 VS Kaveri engines with thrust reversal and vectoring, full canopy unlike the LCA or its old movement and obstructive structure with AMCA level instruments and materials. Do let me know how it is, I would love to know some progressive inputs to help it get a better AoA.

We already have that covered... It's called AMCA.