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Are you aware that the US FVL (Future Vertical Lift) program is replacing the Apache, Black Hawk and Chinook within a few years? Though Apaches can view real-time video feeds from nearby drones from the cockpit of the aircraft, the next-gen helicopters would allow crew to operate a forward-positioned armed attack drone or could even allow functions without needing human intervention. That would be attack chopper drones.

There are a number of unmanned drone choppers developed but none are armed with missiles and heavy weaponry. Mostly recce. The next gen choppers that are being developed by FVL will be fully armed, and autonomous if needed.

Have we got anything like this on the drawing board as yet? Maybe and maybe not!
There are armed helo drones in service with the USN: the MQ-8 Fire Scout.


we had a program with IAI to develop Chetaks into drones, but the program fell through. Too complicated for a program to handle the complexity of helo ops.
 

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The Fire Scout doesn't have missiles like the Hellfire but the small Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS) laser-guided rockets, a BAE Systems product that transforms unguided 2.75-inch rockets into a precision-guided round.

Also the next gen choppers which would be the size of the Apaches, would be configured for autonomous flying as well as by pilots on board. It would also have the Hellfire class missiles and other advanced avionics.

However, do note that the long awaited upgrade of Fire Scout unmanned helicopter with weapons remains effectively on hold as the Navy determines what munitions its combat ships will carry in its armory in future keeping storage space etc in view.

Thus, weaponization of the unmanned Fire Scout has been put on hold until 2023.
 

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I was reading an article regarding susceptibility of F-35 to lightning (it has a lightning protection system) and I wondered what protection systems are employed to keep IAF's plane safe from damage due to lightning?

This is the article: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...s/news-story/5d9cc1b724ec28626b90de56ba9c7daa
Lightning warning for F35-A fighters

An F-35A Lightning II departs RAAF Base Amberley.
Australia’s new F-35A strike fighters are subject to “operational control measures” to minimise flights around thunderstorms, the Defence Department says.

But the fighters have had modifications to install “effective lightning protection systems”.

The fifth generation plane ironically called the Lightning II has been subject to concerns over its vulnerability to a lightning strike which has led to a requirement for more modifications.

Protective systems in the fuel tank had to be modified to prevent a lightning strike potentially causing an explosion.

Its complex computer, the Autonomous Logistics Information System, needed improved lightning protection, the US Defense Department’s 2017 operational test and evaluation report stated. Issues were supposedly rectified by modifications, but in early 2017 two F-35As on a promotional tour in Australia were grounded due to stormy weather.

And last month more questions emerged when the US Marines ordered 14 portable 15m lightning rods to protect the corps F-35B fleet based at Iwakuni in Japan because the aircraft did not have “inherent passive lightning protection” and were going to be parked out in the open.

Queried about whether Australia would follow the US Marines and obtain lightning rods, the Defence Department said all Australian F-35A aircraft included effective lightning protection systems while all Australian infrastructure designed to support the aircraft was also lightning protected.

But in response to further questions, Defence said there were operational control measures to minimise flight in the vicinity of thunderstorms.

“Defence has established an aviation safety framework to ensure the risks to the health and safety of personnel arising from military aircraft operations are eliminated or otherwise minimised as much as reasonably practicable,’’ a spokesman said.

The spokesman said in addition to the operational control measures, the F-35A aircraft were fitted with an on-board inert gas generation system (OBIGGS) to protect the fuel tanks in the event of a lightning strike.

The system reduces the chance of combustion of the fuel by pumping a non-reactive gas such as nitrogen into the empty space in the fuel tank.

The spokesman said Australia’s deployment concept for the ALIS involves the use of self-contained shipping container sized deployment facilities that are fitted with industry standard lightning protection, as required by IT systems.

In the past the US government has revealed there were concerns about the threat a strike would pose to the fighters including the ability of the OBIGGS to prevent explosions.

In 2010, the issue was publicly flagged in a test and evaluation report that noted the OBIGGS had not inerted the fuel tank ‘‘ullage spaces” during certain flying conditions.

A ban on the aircraft flying within about 40km of thunderstorms was then implemented.

In 2015, the head of the F-35 Joint Program Office, Lt General Christopher Bogdan revealed to the House Armed Services Committee that there had been a problem with qualifying the plane to fly in lightning but the issue had been rectified.
 

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I was reading an article regarding susceptibility of F-35 to lightning (it has a lightning protection system) and I wondered what protection systems are employed to keep IAF's plane safe from damage due to lightning?

This is the article: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...s/news-story/5d9cc1b724ec28626b90de56ba9c7daa
Lightning warning for F35-A fighters

An F-35A Lightning II departs RAAF Base Amberley.
Australia’s new F-35A strike fighters are subject to “operational control measures” to minimise flights around thunderstorms, the Defence Department says.

But the fighters have had modifications to install “effective lightning protection systems”.

The fifth generation plane ironically called the Lightning II has been subject to concerns over its vulnerability to a lightning strike which has led to a requirement for more modifications.

Protective systems in the fuel tank had to be modified to prevent a lightning strike potentially causing an explosion.

Its complex computer, the Autonomous Logistics Information System, needed improved lightning protection, the US Defense Department’s 2017 operational test and evaluation report stated. Issues were supposedly rectified by modifications, but in early 2017 two F-35As on a promotional tour in Australia were grounded due to stormy weather.

And last month more questions emerged when the US Marines ordered 14 portable 15m lightning rods to protect the corps F-35B fleet based at Iwakuni in Japan because the aircraft did not have “inherent passive lightning protection” and were going to be parked out in the open.

Queried about whether Australia would follow the US Marines and obtain lightning rods, the Defence Department said all Australian F-35A aircraft included effective lightning protection systems while all Australian infrastructure designed to support the aircraft was also lightning protected.

But in response to further questions, Defence said there were operational control measures to minimise flight in the vicinity of thunderstorms.

“Defence has established an aviation safety framework to ensure the risks to the health and safety of personnel arising from military aircraft operations are eliminated or otherwise minimised as much as reasonably practicable,’’ a spokesman said.

The spokesman said in addition to the operational control measures, the F-35A aircraft were fitted with an on-board inert gas generation system (OBIGGS) to protect the fuel tanks in the event of a lightning strike.

The system reduces the chance of combustion of the fuel by pumping a non-reactive gas such as nitrogen into the empty space in the fuel tank.

The spokesman said Australia’s deployment concept for the ALIS involves the use of self-contained shipping container sized deployment facilities that are fitted with industry standard lightning protection, as required by IT systems.

In the past the US government has revealed there were concerns about the threat a strike would pose to the fighters including the ability of the OBIGGS to prevent explosions.

In 2010, the issue was publicly flagged in a test and evaluation report that noted the OBIGGS had not inerted the fuel tank ‘‘ullage spaces” during certain flying conditions.

A ban on the aircraft flying within about 40km of thunderstorms was then implemented.

In 2015, the head of the F-35 Joint Program Office, Lt General Christopher Bogdan revealed to the House Armed Services Committee that there had been a problem with qualifying the plane to fly in lightning but the issue had been rectified.
The below article might give some answers.
Not exactly focused on fighters but overview of Sukhoi testing regimen which touches upon the methods they might use to protect against lightning.

http://www.scac.ru/en/mediacenter/s...light-tests-first-person-view05-10-2017/2017/
 

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The below article might give some answers.
Not exactly focused on fighters but overview of Sukhoi testing regimen which touches upon the methods they might use to protect against lightning.

http://www.scac.ru/en/mediacenter/s...light-tests-first-person-view05-10-2017/2017/
In the 110 fighter aircraft RFI, IAF has asked whether the planes are adequately protected against lightning strikes as per Military standards. I will search further on the Lightning protection system issue.
Thanks for the article, it provided me a perspective on how tests are conducted to check for protection against lightning.
 

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I was reading an article regarding susceptibility of F-35 to lightning (it has a lightning protection system) and I wondered what protection systems are employed to keep IAF's plane safe from damage due to lightning?

This is the article: https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...s/news-story/5d9cc1b724ec28626b90de56ba9c7daa
Lightning warning for F35-A fighters

An F-35A Lightning II departs RAAF Base Amberley.
Australia’s new F-35A strike fighters are subject to “operational control measures” to minimise flights around thunderstorms, the Defence Department says.

But the fighters have had modifications to install “effective lightning protection systems”.

The fifth generation plane ironically called the Lightning II has been subject to concerns over its vulnerability to a lightning strike which has led to a requirement for more modifications.

Protective systems in the fuel tank had to be modified to prevent a lightning strike potentially causing an explosion.

Its complex computer, the Autonomous Logistics Information System, needed improved lightning protection, the US Defense Department’s 2017 operational test and evaluation report stated. Issues were supposedly rectified by modifications, but in early 2017 two F-35As on a promotional tour in Australia were grounded due to stormy weather.

And last month more questions emerged when the US Marines ordered 14 portable 15m lightning rods to protect the corps F-35B fleet based at Iwakuni in Japan because the aircraft did not have “inherent passive lightning protection” and were going to be parked out in the open.

Queried about whether Australia would follow the US Marines and obtain lightning rods, the Defence Department said all Australian F-35A aircraft included effective lightning protection systems while all Australian infrastructure designed to support the aircraft was also lightning protected.

But in response to further questions, Defence said there were operational control measures to minimise flight in the vicinity of thunderstorms.

“Defence has established an aviation safety framework to ensure the risks to the health and safety of personnel arising from military aircraft operations are eliminated or otherwise minimised as much as reasonably practicable,’’ a spokesman said.

The spokesman said in addition to the operational control measures, the F-35A aircraft were fitted with an on-board inert gas generation system (OBIGGS) to protect the fuel tanks in the event of a lightning strike.

The system reduces the chance of combustion of the fuel by pumping a non-reactive gas such as nitrogen into the empty space in the fuel tank.

The spokesman said Australia’s deployment concept for the ALIS involves the use of self-contained shipping container sized deployment facilities that are fitted with industry standard lightning protection, as required by IT systems.

In the past the US government has revealed there were concerns about the threat a strike would pose to the fighters including the ability of the OBIGGS to prevent explosions.

In 2010, the issue was publicly flagged in a test and evaluation report that noted the OBIGGS had not inerted the fuel tank ‘‘ullage spaces” during certain flying conditions.

A ban on the aircraft flying within about 40km of thunderstorms was then implemented.

In 2015, the head of the F-35 Joint Program Office, Lt General Christopher Bogdan revealed to the House Armed Services Committee that there had been a problem with qualifying the plane to fly in lightning but the issue had been rectified.
Are most fighters immune to lightning strikes?
 

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Saurav Jha (@SJha1618) Tweeted:
According to people in the know, HAL is on track to deliver 10-12 Tejas Mk-Is this financial year.
Someone open the LCA thread. It is missing lots of good news
Need those LCAs asap to relieve as many vintage MiGs as we can.
 

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Can someone say the no of MiG-21 Bison squadrons currently in IAF service?

A recent Print article shows we have 4 Bison squadrons.


But I think we have 6 Bison squadrons and a single bis squadron.
The squadron list is as follows-

Bison:
-3 Cobras
-4 Oorials
-21 Ankush
-23 Panthers
-32 Thunderbirds
-51 Sword Arms

Bis:

-26 Warriors


Can someone kindly corroborate this?
 

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Are most fighters immune to lightning strikes?
Seems the problem is more pronounced for aircrafts with composite airframes. Ols metallic airframes are better equipped in this regard.


“Since the F-35 as a composite type aircraft does not provide inherent passive lightning protection, the lightning rods being requested are needed for deploying aircraft to any expeditionary airfield in support of combat operations or training exercises that do not support all lightning protection requirements for the F-35B,” the Marine Corps says in its justification or the purchase.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/f-35-lightning-ii-can’t-handle-lightning-29957
 

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Saurav Jha (@SJha1618) Tweeted:
According to people in the know, HAL is on track to deliver 10-12 Tejas Mk-Is this financial year.
That's way below what is needed. The IAF has firmly committed to 123 Tejas jets at present. Doing the math, 10-12 Tejas per year means 10 years or till 2029 - 2030 for the entire compliment to be delivered!!

What we need is to have joint ventures with HAL with at least 3 to 4 additional assembly lines to produce 30 or more Tejas aircraft per year.
 

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what i status of DRDO HSTDV, if i am not wrong our proto type should be fly in current year , why delay in project ??

can someone tell ??
 

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France to provide Mirage 2000 aircraft at dirt cheap prices to Indian Air Force

New Delhi: Seeking to bolster its Mirage-2000 fighter jet fleet, India is getting two of these at a dirt-cheap price of Rs 16 crore per aircraft from France. The two aircraft would be later upgraded to the highest standards by the HAL.

The French are offering the planes at Euro 2 million per aircraft and the cost of transporting the planes to India would be around Euro one million. So, at Euro five million (approx Rs 40 crore), India will get two aircraft with a life of 3,000 hours left in them, government sources told MyNation.

The aircraft would also help in utilising the upgrade kits that had been ordered during the Mirage 2000 upgrade contract with France. India had a fleet of 51 Mirages but the number came down to 49 after the loss of two planes in quick succession around 2012-13, the sources said.
The two Mirages coming from France would help in making up the fleet strength back to 51.

India is also getting a fleet of 32 Jaguar aircraft, which are supposed to be used as spares to support the current fleet of Jaguar fighters operated by India. The 100 Jaguar aircraft strong fleet would also help in maintaining force levels and combat the delay in procuring jets beyond the 4 plus generation fighter aircraft such as Rafale due to the Congress government impeding the decision-making.

Dassault Aviation already has sent its proposal for IAF’s Tender for 110 fighter jets and have also responded to Indian Navy’s requirement for 57 carriers based fighter jet. First Rafale fighter jet is currently going through integration in France and Indian technicians and engineers are currently undergoing training in France to induct this jet in September 2019.


https://www.mynation.com/news/france-dassault-mirage-2000-indian-air-force-hal-jaguar-pfwt7q
 

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