India to select one or more fighter aircraft to be built by private sector

[smestarz]

Ah ah ah..... you are not a Financial specialist, for sure.
France today has access to negative loan....

French debt is 2000 billiards. French people have 2300 billiards in banks : no problem.

See US situation. more than 103% of debt vs PIB. Total EU : 93% (France : 96%.) Japan .... 229%

If the picture is so nice and rosy, why cut on defence spending? The more you spend, better for the business and hence more money in the bank no?

 

[smestarz]

NO.
Egypt firm orders in february 2015. Modi came in Paris in April. No announcement before. It's easy to understand no?

I think it was declared in the French media that Modi is coming to France to sign the 126 plane MMRCA in april
and I think that was the trigger for Egypt signing.. But then Modi went and talked of buying 36 on G2G basis
There was confusion in media after this announcement if it was 36 G2G and 126 separate and then the Indian MoD announced that RFP was cancelled

 

[dawingman]

I dont get the research the IITs and other premier research institutes are doing in india. if you check the websites of distinguished professors , they have published several hundred papers in their respective fields of research covering everything from manufacturing to metallurgy to propulsion to high fidelity computing. still the indians are struggling with home grown defense technologies. where is it going all wrong?

 

[Jangaruda]

India shud nevr have selected the rafale.. Now dassault keeps on increasing the costs

 

[dawingman]

India shud nevr have selected the rafale.. Now dassault keeps on increasing the costs

Its the fault of the previous govt for haggling over the deal and failing to make a decision.

 

[garg_bharat]

Ah ah ah..... you are not a Financial specialist, for sure.
France today has access to negative loan....

French debt is 2000 billiards. French people have 2300 billiards in banks : no problem.

See US situation. more than 103% of debt vs PIB. Total EU : 93% (France : 96%.) Japan .... 229%

Please do not count French people. The French debt is sovereign debt. Private wealth is separate from sovereign.

France has very high budget deficit.

The savings rate is negative. Loan is not negative. The ECB is buying commercial paper which is a sign of very bad times, like USA in 2007-8.

 

[dawingman]

The F 16 was built within 4 years of securing the funds for the light fighter program. Tejas 27+ years and the AMCA only god knows how many.

 

[garg_bharat]

ABSOLUTELY NOT !

When you don't trust to some one your interest rate is high as an insurance. a compensation to the risk.

When you trust, and money is cheap, you can take a small insurance. Germany, Switzerland... and now France have access to negative interest rate. It's a proof of confidence, not the contrary.

No absolutely not. You are brainwashed unfortunately.

The negative yield on EU bond is a result of ECB buying such bonds at a loss. This does not in any way reflect market demand.

ECB is buying not only its own bonds, but also commercial paper. Buying commercial paper is a sign of extreme distress in economy.

 

[garg_bharat]

The F 16 was built within 4 years of securing the funds for the light fighter program. Tejas 27+ years and the AMCA only god knows how many.

There is a very simple reason: USA had a mature aviation industry before F-16 was started.
India still does not have a mature aviation industry.
In India's case, LCA Tejas itself is a driver in the development of aviation industry.

 

[garg_bharat]

Its the fault of the previous govt for haggling over the deal and failing to make a decision.

Maybe it was due to flaws in awarding the tender. Antony may be avoiding a jail term.

 

[dawingman]

There is a very simple reason: USA had a mature aviation industry before F-16 was started.
India still does not have a mature aviation industry.
In India's case, LCA Tejas itself is a driver in the development of aviation industry.

Agree, but considering the fact that the Marut was a success to some extent, it should have prompted the government/hal to develop the next gen of aircraft with an appropriate time frame in mind. 28 years is a ridiculously long time and cannot be justified.

 

[smestarz]

Maybe it was due to flaws in awarding the tender. Antony may be avoiding a jail term.

Anthony has a good image, he is still not known for being corrupt, He knew a lot was wrong in MMRCA and he does not want to be remembered like Rajeev Gandhi was synonymous with Bofors scam

 

[smestarz]

Agree, but considering the fact that the Marut was a success to some extent, it should have prompted the government/hal to develop the next gen of aircraft with an appropriate time frame in mind. 28 years is a ridiculously long time and cannot be justified.

After Marut there was shortsightedness on Govt of India, we were offered MiG-21 with Ground attack ability at very very low price, and it killed the project (HF-73)

 

[smestarz]

Russia is now becoming an unreliable spare supplier as the serviceability of Su 30MKIs r vry low nd also buying mig 35 means total dependence on Russians,something which we must nevr repeat... On the bright side the russian economy is in a state of mess so if v buy mig 35 it would give a big boost to Indo Russo Relations..

We are making most of the spares ourselves, and we have developed Israel as spare manufacturer the only thing we most rely on is engine

 

[dawingman]

The entire system is rotten inside out

 

[Tactical Frog]

@smestarz tarz
Important update at your attention : the date on your computer is 2016, not 1940 or 1954 or 1958.. all the bad things you constantly like to refer to are way behind us, @BonPlan and I were born after. I am feeling pretty comfortable living in XXI th century, in Airbus/Arianespace/TGV France, not colonialist times ! You are just wasting saliva.

 

[garg_bharat]

Agree, but considering the fact that the Marut was a success to some extent, it should have prompted the government/hal to develop the next gen of aircraft with an appropriate time frame in mind. 28 years is a ridiculously long time and cannot be justified.

The "should have" will not turn the clock back.

The fact is that both politician and IAF of that time were short-sighted.

Now LCA Tejas is there. So let us go forward.

 

[BON PLAN]

Lets assume a situatiom france ha a threat, Since its not the chase or being chased, does the Rafale use its radar or not? Apparently since this is supposed to be defensive stance as you say, it wont use its Radar. And if the enemy is not using its radar, it just goes through the screen of Rafales, so how does it become effective?

If an enemy has to attack france, it knows which areas / positions to hit, but then the defensive force does not know all the positions that are being hit as they do not really know accurately the objective of the attacking forces.

After 2 years will be 100 meteors that as you said France is buying for another customer. So now you are going to threaten with missiles that belong to someone else? Rented missiles?

French never fought in Vietnam? Now you really dont know abt French history or you either fell on your head (you surely not case for Zika) Let me educate you something

Post WW2, France wanted to enforce control over what it was then called French Indo China , this is what we now call Vietnam. Most of people in vietnam spoke Vietnamese and French The geography taught was about French geopgraphy.. Which country would use other countryls language which is few thousand miles away as a need?

Anyway, to fight the french oppressors (yes the french were the oppressors) and to kick them out of the country, there was one teacher who took the lead, his name Ho Chi Minh. He because the idol for struggle against France.. for this matter you can read Wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Indochina

Also read this part in particular (the entire page is interesting)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First...efense_Assistance_Act_.281950.E2.80.931954.29

War in Vietnam which was againt the Vietnamese who wanted Freedom from the French who just a few years ago were champiioning the cause of Freedom and calling on the world for "LIBERTIE" so when the Germans overran Frane they are talking of liberty for the world, but after the war they do the exact same thing what a few years back they asked the world to fight against.

So it was actually France vs people of vietnam who wanted Freedom and ultimately since French were weak (and how many times in history do we see that?) and then again due to Mutual Defense Assistance Act (1950–1954) the Americans try to bail out France.

Also, read about Battle of Dien Bien Phu, what the hell were about 20000 french soldiers doing in Vietnam? Vacation??

The French and Americans were badly beaten at Dien Bien Phu,, some of the best French troops Foreing legion were the ones defeated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu try reading it.

As usual in France you are only taught about the rosy things, if you know the bad part of france did, then maybe some might really jusfify what France is getting now.

You really understand nothing !

On tactic is to have back one or more Rafale which sacn the sky for others Rafale, in front, radar closed, which shoot at ennemy using L16 and Spectra for.

Another Tactic is to use Spectra and OSF to fire, withour any radar emission.

Radar is used when you need to use it, but every body knows it's not discreet. Even a LPI radar as RBE2AESA is, is not discreet.

For Meteor, where have you read we baught 100 ex. for export use? We baught it for some use (awacs or tanker protection) and to give Rafale the same long arm AtoA weapon its competitors will have. Qatar for exemple baught its own Meteor.

Indochine is the north part of actual Vietnam. Cambodge war and Vietnam war are two différents wars. And US doesn't help France (we ask for) and US ask for Legion etrangère help after, but we refused.

And Yes, every people has the right to recover its liberty. with or without war. In Cambodge, Vietnam, India, Algeria. And tomorrow in Palestinia .... It's history.

For the rest, you don't only hate Rafale, you hate also France.... It's you right.

 

[BON PLAN]

If the picture is so nice and rosy, why cut on defence spending? The more you spend, better for the business and hence more money in the bank no?

The french defense spending are non decreasing but increasing since november terrosrist attack in Paris. A proof : France ordered in urgency some (7 if I remember well) more Tigre Helo and some more NH90. And we also increase the number of soldiers in army.
November 2015.... we are in march 2016 .... OK, you read news at lest 4 months late ! I understand now why you are so disconnected.

 

[BON PLAN]

I think it was declared in the French media that Modi is coming to France to sign the 126 plane MMRCA in april
and I think that was the trigger for Egypt signing.. But then Modi went and talked of buying 36 on G2G basis
There was confusion in media after this announcement if it was 36 G2G and 126 separate and then the Indian MoD announced that RFP was cancelled

The thruth is Egypte firm 2 months before Modi coming in Paris. End of the story.