India to select one or more fighter aircraft to be built by private sector

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I understand. You mean to say that the problem is in entire euro area, not only France.

ECB buying bonds (and commercial paper now - which is equal to giving stock market support) means that economic conditions in EU are fairly bad, probably worse than earlier episode in 2008.

A central bank should never engage in commercial lending, which ECB just did, as it started buying paper of non-financial companies.
Better off not disucssing EU Parliament, ECB and the Commision, the Troika is playing with people's lives, nothing that happens within EU corridors is 'Legal' any more, laws are violated everyday by unelected, useless, idiots with hardly any know how. Bitches laid to waste the economies of Greece, Portugal etc. busy with Spain and Italy now.

EU will not survive on the long run
 

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And it's why US are not so reliable, specialy in the arab world and some can be said from GB that they are found of french products.
so either unreliable france or unerliable USA... between devil and the deep blue sea
 

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The UAE lost a Mirage 2000-9D YémenPosté in the Air Force ,
Middle East Operations by Laurent Lagneau The 14-03-2016 Learn more about http://www.opex360.com/2016/03/14/l...-mirage-2000-9d-au-yemen/#C6oPtBl9lQR5X9TD.99

Engaged in the coalition led by Saudi Arabia in Yemen air force of the United Arab Emirates announced that on March 14, losing a combat aircraft without further clarification.

Later, the coalition command has indicated, through a statement issued from Riyadh that "two Emirati pilots" were martyred when their type of Mirage aircraft crashed at dawn, after a breakdown ".

UAE Air Force has 12 Mirage 2000-9D, which are actually two-seat aircraft. This is its first aircraft lost during "Operation Restore Hope", which aims to support the Yemeni President Abd Rabbo Mansour Hadi, facing the Houthi rebels, backed by Iran and allies supporters of his predecessor, Ali Abdullah Saleh.

The circumstances in which it crashed Mirage 2000-9D are unclear. A priori, the unit took part in air strikes near Aden, in southern Yemen, where a significant anti-jihadist operation is underway for three days. According to witnesses, the Apache AH-64 type attack helicopters have targeted positions held by al-Qaeda fighters in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) in the district of al-Mansura.

Losses incurred by the United Arab Emirates Yemen are relatively large. In September 2015, the armed forces lost 45 men at the fall of a ballistic missile at the ammunition depot of their camp, in the province of Marib.

Moreover, in total, including the Mirage 2000-9D with this, the Arab coalition lost three aircraft, including F-16 Morocco in May and another device of the same type, last December, belonging to the Air Force Bahrain.

1 x Mirage 2000 lost
2 x F16 lost.
Firstly we were talking of UAEAF,, which uses F-16 block 60 and Mirage 2000-9,
from UIAE AF, they want to dump Mirage 2000-9,,
So if you stick to UAEAF as we have till now, then it does show that UAE does not see Mirage 2000-9 as something that is close to potential of F-16 block 60
Did any F-16 Block 60 of UAE Af crash? I guess not

But on other hand, yes two F-16 also crashed, and as per my analysis
Bahrain uses F-16 C Block 40 this crashed due to technical snag
Where as the morrocan F-16 Block 52 was brought down due to ground fire.

So if you see, yes two F-16 were down, but none is F-16 block 60 or latest veserion, where as what crashed of UAEAF was its Mirage 2000-9D which is supposed to be the latest.

Further F-16 that had technical faliure (of Bahrain AF) F-16 C Block 40 and not Block 60
Sorry to disappoint you honey..
 

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Firstly we were talking of UAEAF,, which uses F-16 block 60 and Mirage 2000-9,
from UIAE AF, they want to dump Mirage 2000-9,,
So if you stick to UAEAF as we have till now, then it does show that UAE does not see Mirage 2000-9 as something that is close to potential of F-16 block 60
Did any F-16 Block 60 of UAE Af crash? I guess not

But on other hand, yes two F-16 also crashed, and as per my analysis
Bahrain uses F-16 C Block 40 this crashed due to technical snag
Where as the morrocan F-16 Block 52 was brought down due to ground fire.

So if you see, yes two F-16 were down, but none is F-16 block 60 or latest veserion, where as what crashed of UAEAF was its Mirage 2000-9D which is supposed to be the latest.

Further F-16 that had technical faliure (of Bahrain AF) F-16 C Block 40 and not Block 60
Sorry to disappoint you honey..
UAE don't send F16-60 in Yemen probably because they don't have the permission to. Like in Lybia 2011.

Read your post Guy. At least one F16-60 were lost during peace time operation in 2006.
 

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Well, these are known issues and are being addressed, Rafale' helmet is a generation behind this, until recently Rafale didn't even have a helmet mounted cueing system. The F-35's helmet is the most advanced ever made, again revolutionary tech, issues during tests are normal.
Last I checked : the F-22 does not have an helmet-mounted display and cueing system. This technology is overrated .
 

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Well, these are known issues and are being addressed, Rafale' helmet is a generation behind this, until recently Rafale didn't even have a helmet mounted cueing system. The F-35's helmet is the most advanced ever made, again revolutionary tech, issues during tests are normal.
OK, but recognize 15 years after the beginning of this heavy funded programm, it's surprising to see it in such immature level.
 

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I do not think that India will procure F-16, it will simply undermine the Tejas project.
On the other hand, Making F/A-18 Super Hornet, might be a better opportunity, since F/A-18 SH is twin engine plane that in a way can address the requirement of Indian Navy and maybe also IAF.

India can produce F-16 Spares in India and keep selling the parts to the various users, and even puting up an overhaul facility in India will help the same way we put Overhaul facility for Su-30 ,
F-16 for spares and business, good deal
F-16 for IAF... bad Idea
 

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Yesterday there was a report that F-35 engine was only able to deliver 50%-60% of full potential. Earier, it was amusing. But now I am feeling really sorry for LM after reading negative news week after week. Forget to rival T-50, can F-35 even be a match for AMCA?
There's some politics going over F35, that is for sure. Seems like a case of sour grapes to me. There hasn't been a single month since 2013 when there wasn't a mention of the failures of the F35. And these critiques show up on very credible American news websites and blogs so it's not like foreign players are influencing the writers. This is some powerful insider from the Military-Industrial complex who is systematically trying to kill the F35 project because he lost a project (it could be Northrop Grumman). That doesn't mean that the critiques are incorrect, it's just that it's a bit amusing to see the channels with millions of viewership who usually trash 'Russian junk', taking potshots at the F35 to make sure that it makes no international sale. The Russian media channels are simply riding that wave but the epicenter of that wave is surely in USA itself. Even hardcore American fanboys are criticizing the project.
 

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Yes, it is very mystifying. US sources are more critical than Russian ones. I guess American press does not want to Congress to pump more funds into the program to improve the glitches. One article even mentioned JSF would not be fully operational before 2022!
 

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There's some politics going over F35, that is for sure. Seems like a case of sour grapes to me. There hasn't been a single month since 2013 when there wasn't a mention of the failures of the F35. And these critiques show up on very credible American news websites and blogs so it's not like foreign players are influencing the writers. This is some powerful insider from the Military-Industrial complex who is systematically trying to kill the F35 project because he lost a project (it could be Northrop Grumman). That doesn't mean that the critiques are incorrect, it's just that it's a bit amusing to see the channels with millions of viewership who usually trash 'Russian junk', taking potshots at the F35 to make sure that it makes no international sale. The Russian media channels are simply riding that wave but the epicenter of that wave is surely in USA itself. Even hardcore American fanboys are criticizing the project.

some time ago there were news that F 35 engine tested for 20% more power than it was designed.
 

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Yes, it is very mystifying. US sources are more critical than Russian ones. I guess American press does not want to Congress to pump more funds into the program to improve the glitches. One article even mentioned JSF would not be fully operational before 2022!
A good way to see if someone is playing foul behind the scenes is to see if the headlines are too simplistic. If they are then it means that they are crafted for the consumption of the gullible public. I've seen many 'F35 can be swatted like a fly by Russian fighters' type posts in the last two years. Most of these don't speak anything technical or factual, they just keep ruminating their opinion just like 'intellectuals' in Indian media do about politicians. A plane is such a complicated thing, even if all it's technical details were made public, the dumb public does not have the technical acumen to evaluate the technology, they just nod their heads at oversimplified news headlines. If they knew what's going on then they wouldn't be ordinary citizens, they would be scientists. I mean, how many news papers wrote a technical critique of P51 Mustang planes during world war? none. Did that stop the US from winning the war? nope. Since when has the hegemonic American empire of military-industrial complex sought public validation from dumb Americans to go ahead with weapons projects?

Why are they doing it now if not for political pressure? It's very clear this is not a technical critique, it's a political critique. They only time America consults it's public is when it wants to mislead them into supporting something which is not in their interest, otherwise the establishment works pretty independent of what the puny civilians think and the civilians are blissfully ignorant about it most of the time.
 

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some time ago there were news that F 35 engine tested for 20% more power than it was designed.
From certain documentaries I saw on the issue and some congressional testimonies which are available on Youtube, it seems the gist of the matter is that the production chains of older planes are so deeply rooted and spread across America that it is impossible to kill those projects. Take the example of A10 Warthog. The various parts for this plane are manufactured and sourced from 50 states! it means that if the project is shut down, there will be protests across all states. No congressman wants his constituency to be upset with him for loss of jobs, so they try their best to keep these old projects running. In order to lobby for the old projects, they have to keep new projects at bay. This is basically the military-industrial complex fighting with itself. They themselves spread out their production lines to make sure no civilian government can terminate them, now they themselves (maybe it's a different private company) want to stop old projects and build new production lines for new planes, but the old companies are lobbying against it. This is just a case of old and new companies fighting against each other and bad mouthing each other in the press by planting stories and provoking people.

This also happened in case of bullet proof vests. A private company had manufactured a good quality Dragonskin bulletproof vest which was superior to the one they presently use but since the old manufacturer was a well entrenched businessman, he used his political clout to make sure the army rejects the new vest. This is another case when they opted for legacy over meritocracy.

Their Abrams tank has a similar checkered history. There were many cheaper, effective alternatives available but they went for an expensive tank which many now refer to as the 'Gucci of tanks'. There was a nice comparative critique of the paradigm of inducting extremely cutting edge, expensive technology vs mass manufacturing cheaper alternatives i.e using Jugaadu solutions (which Russia does)

I think this is a must read and an eye opener even for Indians who more often than not seem to have a crush on buying expensive equipment off the shelf and look down upon innovative solutions.

What America Can Learn From Russia's Cheap But Deadly T90 Tank
 

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