India Strikes Against Pakistani Terrorism 2019

[Jaymax61]

They are losing 100-200 million dollars per day due to their airspace being closed. They have to resort to some visible action to keep military morale high. India should remain undeterred by such acts. The economic cost we are imposing on them only proves that we are winning on the strategic front.

While I am sure they are losing money - I doubt it will be that high. Overflight charges are not that high. Their losses are largely due to their domestic airline industry getting T-Boned. Any real trade in Pak is still on Sea Road and some parts on Rail.

 

[IndiaRising]

No.. this kidnapping negatively affects the morale of the army

Morale of army can be restored by taking effective action within Kashmir but making Pakistan bear a strategic cost is of far more importance. Do not mess up there.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

I wonder what that means

Meaning Indian army should not recruit from these militancy affected districts..

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

#PKMB Well this is escalating fast...

Indian army should destroy all Pakistani border outposts and military installations along the LOC.

Edit: Including enemy artillery assets.

 

[IndiaRising]

While I am sure they are losing money - I doubt it will be that high. Overflight charges are not that high. Their losses are largely due to their domestic airline industry getting T-Boned. Any real trade in Pak is still on Sea Road and some parts on Rail.

The total revenue generated by the CAA in 2014-15 was Rs50,819 million and it is expected to generate Rs56,176 million in 2015-16 thanks to the vibrant aviation policy.

This is from a tribune article back in 2015. Count how much this is in dollars. Mind you, this does not even cover how much pakis have to spend additionally on PAF’s emergency needs.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/100935...es-airports-likely-to-generate-huge-revenues/

 

[Jaymax61]

The total revenue generated by the CAA in 2014-15 was Rs50,819 million and it is expected to generate Rs56,176 million in 2015-16 thanks to the vibrant aviation policy.

This is from a tribune article back in 2015. Count how much this is in dollars. Mind you, this does not even cover how much pakis have to spend additionally on PAF’s emergency needs.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/100935...es-airports-likely-to-generate-huge-revenues/

Thats in PK rupees - thats like 100 rupees to a dollar for the entire year. Lets be generous and give them 100 Million USD a year.

Prorate it for a month - lets be generous again its 8 Million USD. Add intense military activity - that eats into their War Wastage Reserves, Armies dont have hourly wages, the only increase is their maintenance, spares and fuel. Pak will have to burn A LOT of fuel to get the 100 million USD a day level. They get their fuel discounted for Saudia.

 

[indus]

Meaning Indian army should not recruit from these militancy affected districts..

No. Thats not the right way forward.

 

[aarav]

The total revenue generated by the CAA in 2014-15 was Rs50,819 million and it is expected to generate Rs56,176 million in 2015-16 thanks to the vibrant aviation policy.

This is from a tribune article back in 2015. Count how much this is in dollars. Mind you, this does not even cover how much pakis have to spend additionally on PAF’s emergency needs.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/100935...es-airports-likely-to-generate-huge-revenues/

10 days overflight ban is not normal they are ready to lose some hard cash because they know what's coming

 

[Enquirer]

Initially I thought that the ageing Mig-21 from which pilots can safely eject may not be that debilitating to the air force as such; but now I realize that ejection itself could render the pilot medically unfit to fly a fighter jet again (even though his life is protected).

This is an alarming situation if 100+ experienced pilots who might have to eject from Mig-21s in the next few years (given Mig-21s safety record as they age further)

 

[Jaymax61]

Initially I thought that the ageing Mig-21 from which pilots can safely eject may not be that debilitating to the air force as such; but now I realize that ejection itself could render the pilot medically unfit to fly a fighter jet again (even though his life is protected).

This is an alarming situation if 100+ experienced pilots who might have to eject from Mig-21s in the next few years (given Mig-21s safety record as they age further)

No ejection is ever 100% safe. MiGs should have gone by now. Soviets never planned to fly them this long. They understood its limitations and planned to move them out. Even the cash starved Russians phased them out. Not buying the Mirages after 1999 was a big mistake

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Thats in PK rupees - thats like 100 rupees to a dollar for the entire year. Lets be generous and give them 100 Million USD a year.

Prorate it for a month - lets be generous again its 8 Million USD. Add intense military activity - that eats into their War Wastage Reserves, Armies dont have hourly wages, the only increase is their maintenance, spares and fuel. Pak will have to burn A LOT of fuel to get the 100 million USD a day level. They get their fuel discounted for Saudia.

It's not just that.. civil aviation companies' revenue takes a hit..due to limited overseas' flights investment sentiment too takes a hit...

 

[happylion]

Ejection from an aircraft generally puts tremendous stress on the spine. Generally fighters are not put back on active flight duty post ejection unless for the few brave who did the initial testing for these . It all depends on the medical evaluation post ejection and many are not allowed again depending on the injury assessment. Some have done a second ejection too but these are rare.

 

[WARREN SS]

It is BS if IAF fighters cannot engage Paki fighters operating within their side of LOC when they're raining munition into the Indian region (and worse on a military brigade HQ)!
Offensive actions taken by Paki jets even from their side of LOC should/must trigger immediate retaliation! If IAF didn't factor this tiny detail then their Rules Of Engagement lack intuition and need a reality check!!!!

Q:What about Pakistani fighters operating within their side of LOC when they're raining munition into the Indian region (aon a military brigade HQ)
Offensive actions taken by PAF jets even from their side of LOC should/must trigger immediate retaliation!

Posted By Falcon in SF org.

1. PAF strike was carried out from their side of LC but within 10 kms of the agreed no fly zone, thereby a technical violation wherein we were in our power to shoot them down. Did we? No. Because we probably were vectoring Su-30 MKIs towards the threat and scrambling the Mig-21s from Srinagar AFB.

2. It would have taken about 1-2 minutes for F-16s, which would have 'pooped up' from within the mountain contours to fire their munitions into Indian territory, in the process ingressing about 3-5 kms into our side as they sought to egress back.. All the while their escorts would have been holding to engage Indian fighters moving in.

3. In that scenario, with strike package egressing into their territory, and no declaration of war by India against Pakistan, constraints of ROE forbade BVRAAMs from firing. The only option was WVRAAM, taken by the Mig-21 and the consequences therafter.

4. Yes, this was a situation which was expected, PAF retaliation was expected and we were waiting. What we were not waiting for, was our hero to get shot down, inspite of ROE and Radar Controllers warning him. That, sir, was an act of aggression undertaken precisely in same manner as PAF F-16, changing the narrative briefly from anti-terror air operations by IAF to potential Indo-Pak War. The whole diplomatic maneuvering space got constricted.

5. The right to retaliation was and is still ours. Right to aggressive action against air force of a country retaliating for an attack against a terror group, without declaring the nation a terror nation for supporting militarily the terror group by GoI till now, is farcical and antithetical to our own narrative of this being an anti-terror operation.

 

[Bleh]

#PKMB Well this is escalating fast...

Meaning nothing unless we take them or atleast shell again is they try to rebuild it.

 

[tomato]

They are losing 100-200 million dollars per day due to their airspace being closed. They have to resort to some visible action to keep military morale high. India should remain undeterred by such acts. The economic cost we are imposing on them only proves that we are winning on the strategic front.

100-200 million dollars a day?? Sir, figure seems to be inflated a bit.

 

[Jaymax61]

It's not just that.. civil aviation companies' revenue takes a hit..due to limited overseas' flights investment sentiment too takes a hit...

Apart from the flying bucket PIA all their airlines only fly to the gulf. They are losing money, its hurting the sector and if it goes on for a while some players might get hurt bad. But its not enough to bring Pak to its knees.

To do that India needs to manipulate Pak's currency using its massive forex reserves. If PKR drops below 150, Pakistan will default on all its payments for 2019.

 

[vampyrbladez]

I did some research and found that JAKLI Battalion of Territorial Army has recruited local youth and even ex - militants. The recent awardee of the Ashok Chakra, Lance Naik Nazir Ahmad Wani was also an ex - militant turned patriot. However some of these soldiers are under suspicion of being double agents, passing information on movements to terrorists.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ed-with-ashok-chakra/articleshow/67669747.cms

One of the soldiers under the scanner is brother of Tauseef Wani -- who was allegedly tortured by an army officer in Shadimarg camp -- where Aurangzeb was posted, the sources said.
Wani is currently undergoing treatment at SMHS hospital here.

https://www.theweek.in/wire-updates/national/2019/02/06/del11-jk-aurangzeb-soldiers.html

Army investigators said that Abid Wani, a colleague Aurangzeb, may have alerted the militants about Aurangzeb’s departure from the camp.

Abid’s brother, Tauseef, was the conduit and his phone was being used to pass on information, according to two army officers familiar with the investigation. “The call record data points to the involvement of Abid and Tauseef. Shaukat Dar, one of the terrorists involved, was told that Aurangzeb has left the camp and is on his way,’’ an officer said.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...e-aurangzeb/story-dIMJ3DIOWVFcGiGK3FXd7O.html

 

[IndiaRising]

Thats in PK rupees - thats like 100 rupees to a dollar for the entire year. Lets be generous and give them 100 Million USD a year.

Prorate it for a month - lets be generous again its 8 Million USD. Add intense military activity - that eats into their War Wastage Reserves, Armies dont have hourly wages, the only increase is their maintenance, spares and fuel. Pak will have to burn A LOT of fuel to get the 100 million USD a day level. They get their fuel discounted for Saudia.

Saudia won't be willing to give discounted fuel for continued period of time. this is not a battle, its a war. it has to be fought over a long period of time. what we have been able to impose upon them is an economic cost. also what business groups will do business in a country that has its airspace closed for so long? this further enables the instability narrative that pakis have so generously contributed to over the years.

 

[Enquirer]

Q:What about Pakistani fighters operating within their side of LOC when they're raining munition into the Indian region (aon a military brigade HQ)
Offensive actions taken by PAF jets even from their side of LOC should/must trigger immediate retaliation!

Posted By Falcon in SF org.

1. PAF strike was carried out from their side of LC but within 10 kms of the agreed no fly zone, thereby a technical violation wherein we were in our power to shoot them down. Did we? No. Because we probably were vectoring Su-30 MKIs towards the threat and scrambling the Mig-21s from Srinagar AFB.

2. It would have taken about 1-2 minutes for F-16s, which would have 'pooped up' from within the mountain contours to fire their munitions into Indian territory, in the process ingressing about 3-5 kms into our side as they sought to egress back.. All the while their escorts would have been holding to engage Indian fighters moving in.

3. In that scenario, with strike package egressing into their territory, and no declaration of war by India against Pakistan, constraints of ROE forbade BVRAAMs from firing. The only option was WVRAAM, taken by the Mig-21 and the consequences therafter.

4. Yes, this was a situation which was expected, PAF retaliation was expected and we were waiting. What we were not waiting for, was our hero to get shot down, inspite of ROE and Radar Controllers warning him. That, sir, was an act of aggression undertaken precisely in same manner as PAF F-16, changing the narrative briefly from anti-terror air operations by IAF to potential Indo-Pak War. The whole diplomatic maneuvering space got constricted.

5. The right to retaliation was and is still ours. Right to aggressive action against air force of a country retaliating for an attack against a terror group, without declaring the nation a terror nation for supporting militarily the terror group by GoI till now, is farcical and antithetical to our own narrative of this being an anti-terror operation.

Frankly, the whole thing sounds like a convoluted BS by some guy!
RoE forbade use of BVRAAMs? Even while Pakis were firing BVRAAMs at Indian jets??? BS!!!

The morphing of anti-terror ops to a potential Indo-Pak war was not precipitated by a Mig-21, but by Paki jets initiating a bombing raid on Indian 'military installation'

Anti-terror ops doesn't require the country to be officially declared a 'terror sponsoring nation'! India specifically targeted the terror organization that was responsible for terror acts! Declaring Pakistan a 'terror sponsoring nation' MIGHT be required if India embarked on punitive actions against PAKI ARMY for the terror acts committed in India! Jaish is a UN designated terror group - as such action against Jaish camp is protected under UN charter!

Somehow, I get very annoyed with people writing BS with finesse!

 

[IndiaRising]

100-200 million dollars a day?? Sir, figure seems to be inflated a bit.

bhai they just declared emergency funds of 575 million USD to meet PAF needs.