India Strikes Against Pakistani Terrorism 2019

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For those who are wondering what babaji meant by 24 hours remaining, 16 hours remaining etc, According to cold start we are supposed to attack withing 96 hours
Babaji earlier said that it is not happening and cold start is dead but later said that his sources tell him that there's still hope, but then he again said that it may not happen. Those hours left are from the 96 hours timeline exceeding which will finally mean that we are de escalating.
In short, babaji is as unsure of what is next as any one of us here.
 

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We should humour them... offer reimbursement. :sad:
I'm thinking good saplings of Chinar & Deodar & Fir.

Kashmir Forest Department nursery could supply hundreds. Poor fuckers have little forests left in their country.
No. IAF's stance is that it had nothing to do with the trees blowing up far from the Jaish camp. It was possibly due to the jihadi scum training with IEDs.
But yes, India could offer to replace the Corrugated Galvanized Iron (roof) sheets that the bombs punched a hole through - the jihadi ass inside the building, however, belonged to IAF, so no need to compensate for that loss :) :)
 

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Very personal opinion, which I mentioned earlier too, he(Wing.Cdr) broke the Rules of Engagement, which were merely to defend the Indian Airspace as no war had been declared by the GoI against Pakistan, in accordance to those existing which are designed to operate under the aegis of agreements entered into. The nature and scope of engagements is very clear to every service personnel, it does not depend on their whims and fancies to 'tweak' them as per wish.

When people question Su-30 MKIs not deploying the BVRAAMs, they forget that even PAF was using jammers and it takes time to 'burn' through jamming at those distances. Secondly, use of BVRAAM would have entailed a possible strike on a PAF aircraft say 4 kms on their side of LC, a technical violation by them and India being well within its rights to shoot down, but by the time a BVRAAM would have reached, the possibility of it being jammed and becoming harmless or 'killing' an aircraft which was egressing the zone and leading to wreckage falling well beyond the 10 km limit was equally high, both being a situation which had the potential to paint India as undertaking aggressive actions against PAF, thereby undermining Indian position of WoT to War on Pakistan. The ramifications in terms of diplomatic and military situation would have been far greater and adversarial.

Thirdly, he broke the protective cover being provided by Su-30 MKIs and in chase to get a kill, he crossed the LC and was shot. He was responsible for actions that he undertook and their consequences, unfortunately, affected the options the GoI had when PAF undertook an aggressive action in J&K.

Let me be very blunt and clear about it. I can still expect a youngster, with a few months of service, falling for such actions of 'kill' but not a Wing Commander with almost 14 plus years of service.
It is BS if IAF fighters cannot engage Paki fighters operating within their side of LOC when they're raining munition into the Indian region (and worse on a military brigade HQ)!
Offensive actions taken by Paki jets even from their side of LOC should/must trigger immediate retaliation! If IAF didn't factor this tiny detail then their Rules Of Engagement lack intuition and need a reality check!!!!
 

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Pakistan is now resorting to low level incidents again - a grenade blast, a soldier picked up... instead of large level attacks that will invite certain punishment.
It's not a low level or a knee jerk panicked reaction of terrorists. No, assuming that would be a dangerous mistake.

The objective appears to be a systematic return to the panic and terror of the 1990s, where the militants were ascendant in the psyche of the population. The message is "If the army can't protect it's own from being kidnapped, what can they do to protect ordinary people?".

We are heading to a civil war in Kashmir, or at least in certain districts of Kashmir. The longer the army denies the actual ground reality, the worse the situation is going to get.
 

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For those who are wondering what babaji meant by 24 hours remaining, 16 hours remaining etc, According to cold start we are supposed to attack withing 96 hours
Babaji earlier said that it is not happening and cold start is dead but later said that his sources tell him that there's still hope, but then he again said that it may not happen. Those hours left are from the 96 hours timeline exceeding which will finally mean that we are de escalating.
In short, babaji is as unsure of what is next as any one of us here.
Coldstart wont happen till there are clear political objectives to be achieved from war. War doesnt happen only to achieve millitary objectives. There has to be clear political objectives to goto war. Most probably it will be liberation of Baloch'stn. Which hasnt gained enough traction as of now. The present phase is the same of Opn Parakram after 2001 Parliament attack. Situation remains in between war and no war.
 

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Most probably it will be liberation of Baloch'stn. Which hasnt gained enough traction as of now. The present phase is the same of Opn Parakram after 2001 Parliament attack. Situation remains in between war and no war.
If only Balochis had oil instead of gas
 

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It's not a low level or a knee jerk panicked reaction of terrorists. No, assuming that would be a dangerous mistake.

The objective appears to be a systematic return to the panic and terror of the 1990s, where the militants were ascendant in the psyche of the population. The message is "If the army can't protect it's own from being kidnapped, what can they do to protect ordinary people?".

We are heading to a civil war in Kashmir, or at least in certain districts of Kashmir. The longer the army denies the actual ground reality, the worse the situation is going to get.
Only this time the centre moved 100 Companies of Paramilitary forces there.

So during a Counter Terror OP, stone pelters will not have an easy ride. Army will go all out and kill terrorists as they have been doing since Feb 15. In a recent encounter they blew up 4 houses, something that has never been done due to political reasons. Terrorists are a perishable commodity in Kashmir this season.
 

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Pakistan is now resorting to low level incidents again - a grenade blast, a soldier picked up... instead of large level attacks that will invite certain punishment.
They are losing 100-200 million dollars per day due to their airspace being closed. They have to resort to some visible action to keep military morale high. India should remain undeterred by such acts. The economic cost we are imposing on them only proves that we are winning on the strategic front.
 
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