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Looks like attempt being made to coincide delivery with US elections. US election date Nov 2020.

But I doubt Russia will agree, Russia would like friction between US and India.
Friction is not because of Russia but US & it's imperial policy of dominating countries,they want us to do their bidding even when they try keep us down in trade,S400 is a necessity to protect North India from paki missile salvo or air raid coupled with MRSAM, Akash,Spyder,BMD phase1 & 2 & other upcoming AD missiles,but US is looking for it's interest,most it can do is invoke sanctions that would hurts us for a couple of years but surely will hurt US in the long term & India certainly has some influence to stop this from happening in US Congress,this a leverage US has,it will pressure us maybe even on Kashmir but only time will tell
 

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Friction is not because of Russia but US & it's imperial policy of dominating countries,they want us to do their bidding even when they try keep us down in trade,S400 is a necessity to protect North India from paki missile salvo or air raid coupled with MRSAM, Akash,Spyder,BMD phase1 & 2 & other upcoming AD missiles,but US is looking for it's interest,most it can do is invoke sanctions that would hurts us for a couple of years but surely will hurt US in the long term & India certainly has some influence to stop this from happening in US Congress,this a leverage US has,it will pressure us maybe even on Kashmir but only time will tell

Ah, the evil imperialist America... and how about Russia insisting that Eastern European and Baltic countries are forced to remain under their influence as "buffer zones?" That's crude 17th-19th century European imperialism.

And btw, the US has no hand in that possible suspension of the 2nd tranche of S-400 delivery. It's due again to the really stupid demand from high tech weapons buyers for TOT - this is the reason why Turkey and US had a falling out in the forst place since Turkey was demanding Patriot TOT - now Russia. At least with America it made known to Turkey from the start that TOT is a no-go. I mean which sane country will part with their military sdvantage? I know India would not if ot's in America's shoes.

But apparently with the S-400 purchase, Russia made Turkey believe that it will make full TOT on the S-400 to Tirkey. So when the latter found out that Russia actually had its fingers crossed on that promise then it is disappoinyed. And as usial, Erdogan is driving his usual hard authocratic bargaining style agsin. We'll he's a Sultan with no clothes.
 

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Ah, the evil imperialist America...
Awww, not again. the philip born yank nationalist.
and how about Russia insisting that Eastern European and Baltic countries are forced to remain under their influence as "buffer zones?" That's crude 17th-19th century European imperialism.
Why India needs to give a damn about them? India is an autonomous country and can shed anyone trying to eclipse its sovereignty. It's only use trying to shed rise of emerging powers to maintain itself and should be played with accordingly.
And btw, the US has no hand in that possible suspension of the 2nd tranche of S-400 delivery. It's due again to the really stupid demand from high tech weapons buyers for TOT - this is the reason why Turkey and US had a falling out in the forst place since Turkey was demanding Patriot TOT - now Russia. At least with America it made known to Turkey from the start that TOT is a no-go. I mean which sane country will part with their military sdvantage? I know India would not if ot's in America's shoes.

But apparently with the S-400 purchase, Russia made Turkey believe that it will make full TOT on the S-400 to Tirkey. So when the latter found out that Russia actually had its fingers crossed on that promise then it is disappoinyed. And as usial, Erdogan is driving his usual hard authocratic bargaining style agsin. We'll he's a Sultan with no clothes.
So, you are ultimately claiming that Turkey isn't going to face any consequences (or didn't earlier) for engagement with Russia?
 

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Awww, not again. the philip born yank nationalist.

Why India needs to give a damn about them? India is an autonomous country and can shed anyone trying to eclipse its sovereignty. It's only use trying to shed rise of emerging powers to maintain itself and should be played with accordingly.

So, you are ultimately claiming that Turkey isn't going to face any consequences (or didn't earlier) for engagement with Russia?
We'll he is already facing consequences for his stupidity and arrogance. Turkey has been kicked out of F-35 for one. And succeeding US administrations will not be too lenient to him.
 

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thats carrot & the stick policy
I thought it was called all talk no action. You can't draw a red line and have your enemy cross it over and over again and not do what you said you were going to do. Iran has crossed that line several times and nothing, Turkey crosses that line over and over and nothing... at some point he has to do something or everyone will know he is just bluffing.
 

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So Trump has said that S400 is not a threat to Nato , so we should breathe a sigh of relief.
So this is why we want S400s before Trumps relelection
 

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S-400 missile defence system delivery on track, India makes $850 million payment

The timeframe for the supply of S-400 missile defence systems by Russia to India remains on track with the latter having made the first payment of $850 million for the big-ticket defence deal worth more than $5 billion, people familiar with developments said on condition of anonymity.

The payment, amounting to about 15% of the total deal, was made in September though a special mechanism worked out by the two sides to avert attracting sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) of the US, the people cited above added.

The people declined to go into details of the mechanism, given the sensitivity of the issues involved.

Over the past few months, India and Russia focused on alternative payment mechanisms to overcome the impact of potential US sanctions, including trade through a rupee-rouble mechanism (in which payments are made in rupees and roubles) or payments in euros for military hardware.



“There had been some concerns about the delivery schedule for all the five systems being delayed to 2025. But with the payment having been made, the first system is expected to be delivered in 16 to 18 months,” said one of the people cited in the first instance.

India and Russia had signed a deal worth an estimated $5.4-billion for five S-400 systems during the annual summit of leaders of the two countries in October last year. Russian officials said then that the first system was expected to be delivered by 2020 and that all deliveries would be completed in a five-year period.

Washington has repeatedly pressured New Delhi not to go ahead with the S-400 deal or other purchases of military hardware from Russia, which continues to account for about 60% of India’s military hardware. US officials have also expressed concern the S-400 could capture electronic signatures of American-origin military equipment and aerial platforms used by India and compromise them.

However, following a meeting with US secretary of state Mike Pompeo in October, external affairs minister S Jaishankar defended India’s “sovereign right” to buy weapons and said the country won’t be told by any state to not buy military hardware from Russia. Indian officials have also said the country meets the criteria for a waiver from US sanctions on the S-400 deal and that New Delhi can’t “wish away” its long-standing defence ties with Moscow.

The US has also pressured Turkey to scrap a deal for S-400 systems, with President Donald Trump saying after a meeting with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Wednesday that the acquisition of such sophisticated weapons “creates some very serious challenges for us”. The S-400 issue prompted the US to eject Turkey from the F-35 joint strike fighter programme.

In a recent letter to Erdogan, Trump warned he would have to impose sanctions on Turkey over the purchase of the S-400 systems.

When Roman Babushkin, the deputy chief of the Russian mission in New Delhi, was asked during an interaction on Tuesday if Trump’s threat could have implications for India, he replied: “Turkey is a clear demonstration that national interests are more important than satisfying the interests of some other countries. This is the case for India as well.”

In an apparent reference to efforts to overcome potential US sanctions, Babushkin added, “India needs the best air defence system and Russia will provide it. It depends on bilateral interests and we need to be safe from outside pressure. We are working with India on that.”
 

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Russia Begins Serial Production Of S-400 Missiles For India
Russia has started the production of S-400 missile defence systems for India and the delivery of the much-anticipated missiles systems is expected to be completed by 2025. This was confirmed by CEO of Rostec Sergei Chemezov told Dubai Airshow 2019.

“The advance payment has been made. I don’t want to specify an exact figure, but there is an advance payment. We have launched production and the work is underway, and everything will be implemented as scheduled. The contract will be fulfilled by 2025,” Chemezov said.

“When it comes to S-400 deliveries, everything goes according to plan,” President Putin had stated on the sidelines of the recently concluded BRICS Summit. “Indian colleague (PM Narendra Modi) did not ask to speed up anything, as everything goes well,” Putin was quoted as saying.


The US has severely opposed the S-400 deal with Russia with the Trump administration threatening to force sanctions on the states that are acquiring weapons and military hardware from Russia.

Senior US officials have cautioned India that the S-400 deal could attract sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) law that restrains defence purchases from Russia, Iran and North Korea.

India acquiring the S-400 missile defence system from Russia is a “problem” for the US, Admiral Philip Davidson, who is Commander of Indo-Pacific Command, said in July. However, India has told the US that it does not intend to give up the deal for the purchase of Russian-made S-400 air defence missile systems.

The S-400 is the most advanced long-range air defence missile system that went into service in Russia in 2007. It is designed to destroy aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles, including medium-range missiles, and can also be used against ground installations. The S-400 can engage targets at a distance of 400 km and at an altitude of up to 30 km.
https://www.defencenews.in/article/...Production-Of-S-400-Missiles-For-India-768032
 

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India to receive first consignment of S-400 in Sep 2021: Rosoboronexport
India is set to receive the first consignment of the S-400 missile systems in September 2021, the Rosoboronexpert head said on Wednesday.

"Russia will deliver the first batch of it's S-400 missile systems to India in September 2021, Rosoboronexport Director General Alexander Mikheev told Sputnik at the Dubai Airshow

'We had received the first payment from the Indian government under the contract for delivering S-400 systems.


"This is a very positive moment for activating the planned work on producing the first elements of the system," Mr Mikheev said.

India had signed the USD 5.43-billion deal with Russia for the purchase of five S-400 systems during the 19th India-Russia Annual Bilateral Summit in New Delhi on October 5, 2018.

The final deliveries are expected to be completed by April, 2023, he added.
https://www.defencenews.in/article/...t-of-S-400-in-Sep-2021-Rosoboronexport-768069
 

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Russia has begun manufacturing S-400 systems for India: Russian Min
Russian Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov has said that his country has begun the production of famed S-400 air defence systems for India.

"The Almaz-Antey concern has begun manufacturing the S-400 systems for India, and Russia will deliver the S-400s to India within the timeframe stipulated by the contract. In general, all commitments undertaken by the parties, including the payment, are being fulfilled in full," Manturov was quoted as saying by Sputnik.


India signed a USD 5.43-billion deal with Russia for the purchase of five S-400 systems during the 19th India-Russia Annual Bilateral Summit in New Delhi on October 5, 2018, for long-term security needs.

Manturov added that a training centre for S-400 operators is being set up in India.

This comes after Moscow diplomat Roman Babushkin said last month that Russia will deliver five S-400 air defence systems to India by 2025.

"We will give five S-400 missiles defense system (to India) by 2025. Russia is possessing one of the world's best defense system and it would serve well for Indian security," he had said.

Former Indian Air Force Chief BS Dhanoa had termed the S-400 air defence system as a "game-changer".
https://www.business-standard.com/a...ems-for-india-russian-min-120020400683_1.html

 

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