India-Pakistan LoC/IB Skirmishes in the Aftermath of August 5 2019

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Genghis Khan was not a muzzie.
I've been trolling pashtuns and pathans for years by calling them rape child of infidel mongols.
But ultimately all became Muslim ... establishing Islam to Mongolia and all central Asia..

Genghis Khan's grandson Berke converted to Islam due to the efforts of Saif ud-Din Dervish, a dervish from Khorazm, thus Berke became one of the first Mongol rulers to convert. Other Mongol leaders owed their conversion to Islam due to the influence of a Muslim wife.[6] Later, it was the Mamluk ruler Baibars who played an important role in bringing many Golden Horde Mongols to Islam. Baibars developed strong ties with the Mongols of the Golden Horde and took steps for the Golden Horde Mongols to travel to Egypt. The arrival of the Golden Horde Mongols to Egypt resulted in a significant number of Mongols accepting Islam.[6] By the 1330s, three of the four major khanates of the Mongol Empire had become Muslim.[7] These were the Golden Horde, Hulagu's Ulus and Chagatai's Ulus. The Yuan Empire also embraced Muslim peoples such as the Persians.
 

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Tum hamko bana raha hai ya itna bekhabar hai ..??

Muhammad Iqbal was a a fundamentalist Mullaha to begin with ..

Then look at the name like Hafiz Saeed, Massos Azhar, Mullah Fazlullah, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. ...... All terrorist organisation including those fighting against Pakistan Army are Mullahs..

Zia Ul Haq was the biggest Mullaha... Imaran Khan is a Jihadi Mullah..

The authority of Mullah and military over other civilian authorities is the story of Pakistan... be it 1947, 1965, 1971 or Musharraf..... be it massacre of Shia or Ahamdies.... Mohajirs or Bengalis..... all are reflections of supreme influence of Mullahs ....

Kargil, Parliament Mumbai , Pathankot, Uri etc are all stories of Mullahas exercising their power and influence over diplomacy and foreign relation specially with India...... against the wishes and policy of civilian establishment..

Only Burbak and Congressi guy like to ask such proofs...
Arre piroof kon maangta hai laal chiriya...
Hum toh yun hi pooch diya. Kya pata kuch naya mil jaaye sikhne ko. Burbak tu hai. Bari dinn ho gaya chicken khaaye. Tu hi intejaam karbe hamaar khaana ke ab..
 

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They should have given you a medal for your enthusiasm, keenness and determination.

90 per cent of Indian school pass and graduates in the country happen to be SSB rejects. Selection rate is ten per thousand .... every 12th class pass from a good school and every graduate of a good university want to make it through SSB... including the reservationists....

That single most factor of being stamped as "Rejected" in that young impressionable age is enough to hurt one's psychology so bad as to make him "anti forces officers" for ever... every one of them tries to prove he is better by showing service officers down at the first opportunity one gets.... I came across thousands of such cases in All India Services and Class A services. The forum too is not short of it...

Avenge galore ....... well not their fault, I suppose. Young age traumas die hard...
I have no hard feelings for those board officers neither did i suffered any trauma though it was a huge setback for me. Your reasoning dont hold water as the likes of Dr. Kalam and Rahul Dravid were also SSB rejects.
 

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They should have given you a medal for your enthusiasm, keenness and determination.

90 per cent of Indian school pass and graduates in the country happen to be SSB rejects. Selection rate is ten per thousand .... every 12th class pass from a good school and every graduate of a good university want to make it through SSB... including the reservationists....

That single most factor of being stamped as "Rejected" in that young impressionable age is enough to hurt one's psychology so bad as to make him "anti forces officers" for ever... every one of them tries to prove he is better by showing service officers down at the first opportunity one gets.... I came across thousands of such cases in All India Services and Class A services. The forum too is not short of it...

Avenge galore ....... well not their fault, I suppose. Young age traumas die hard...
I think by "you can't be recommended for the military as you're an intelligence guy", he might be trying to ride the stereotype of intel agency members being ruthless and a bit off as compared to the shining examples of true knight-like leaders in the military. I'm not sure he's trying to be an asshole matey. Isn't it so Ultranationalist?
 

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But ultimately all became Muslim ... establishing Islam to Mongolia and all central Asia..

Genghis Khan's grandson Berke converted to Islam due to the efforts of Saif ud-Din Dervish, a dervish from Khorazm, thus Berke became one of the first Mongol rulers to convert. Other Mongol leaders owed their conversion to Islam due to the influence of a Muslim wife.[6] Later, it was the Mamluk ruler Baibars who played an important role in bringing many Golden Horde Mongols to Islam. Baibars developed strong ties with the Mongols of the Golden Horde and took steps for the Golden Horde Mongols to travel to Egypt. The arrival of the Golden Horde Mongols to Egypt resulted in a significant number of Mongols accepting Islam.[6] By the 1330s, three of the four major khanates of the Mongol Empire had become Muslim.[7] These were the Golden Horde, Hulagu's Ulus and Chagatai's Ulus. The Yuan Empire also embraced Muslim peoples such as the Persians.
Most Mongols did not become muslims. The mongols of the Golden Horde centered around the Caucasus , the Chagatai khanate (Moghulistan - Babur's khanate) and the Il Khanate in Iran adopted Islam but the main weight of the empire was always centered around Mongolia proper and China became Buddhist as they are still. The main Khagan's (Khan of Khans) were all based in either Mongolia or China. The other khanates recognized this even though the later Khagans had only nominal suzerainty and the khanates became increasingly autonomous as the empire fractured after the first 4 or 5 great khans. The Mongols for all their tribal savagery were largely tolerant around religion and allowed all religious practices. What we would call "secular". What is interesting is that as a ruling class in the 13th - 16th centuries in these areas the Mongols adopted the religions of their subjects - Ilkhanate , Chagatai and Golden horde in west , central asia became muslim. The Mongols in east asia became buddhist. So it seems like it was just expediency to maintain their rule and identify more with their subjects rather than any particularly deep conviction that led to their conversions. Of course Babur and his descendants did the opposite in the Indian subcontinent. Perhaps because their power structure especially military manpower was largely based out of afghanistan and central asia (uzbekistan). In this they were hardly any different than elites in any region or history. I would bet that when the Glorious Army of Hind marches into Attock all these purer than pure paki elites will turn saffron from green before you can say " hatyar bar zameen". This is why the paki jernails have no problem taking u-turns like fighting the Taliban-mujhaideen when its in their interest to do so or get bombed to the stone age.
 
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BSF jawan martyred while foiling an attack by terrorists in Jammu.
A jawan posted with Border Security Force (BSF) was martyred on Wednesday while foiling an attack by unidentified terrorists in Jammu's Dadu district.
The jawan was identified as Vinod Kumar, aged 27, who was posted with 96 Battalion Delta company of BSF.
Vinod Kumar, a resident of Bhora Kalan village in Mohammadpur Madan Village of Muzaffarnagar district in Uttar Pradesh, had joined the BSF service in 2011. Subsequently, he was posted in Punjab with his battalion.

After the government abrogated Article 370 and Article 35A from the former state of Jammu and Kashmir on August 5, Vinod's battalion was posted in Jammu's Dadu district to maintain the law and order situation in the newly-formed Union Territory (UT) and prevent any potential terror attacks. His battalion was among the 100 companies that were allocated in Jammu and Kashmir, following the revocation of Article 370, which took away the special status granted to Jammu and Kashmir.

Preparations are being made to take the body of the martyred jawan by a helicopter to the GIC ground of Muzaffarnagar. The helicopter is expected to reach the location by late Thursday evening.
 

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Kashmir issue: Rescind action on Article 370, Organisation of Islamic Cooperation tells India.
Calling on India to “rescind” its actions revoking Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir, Saudi Arabia joined Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Niger to issue a statement on behalf of the Organisation of IslamicCooperation (OIC) Kashmir contact group, criticising thegovernment’s actions there.

In the statement issued on September 25 after a ministerial meeting on the sidelines of the UNGA, the group asked the government to “rescind its unilateral illegal actions and reiterate its commitment to abide by the relevant UN Security Council Resolutions, provide assurances that it will not change the occupied territory’s demographic composition and not allow non-Kashmiris to acquire property or residency in [J&K]… halt its human rights violations… repeal its draconian emergency laws, and withdraw its heavy military presence”.

The statement from the contact group, which has issued statements against India on the J&K dispute in the past, is not the first from the group since India decided to attend the OIC earlier in 2019, and follows a statement by the OIC on August 14.

The MEA did not respond to the statement from the organisation that represents 57 member states, but has routinelydismissed any comments on what it considers India’s “internal matter”. Speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations on September 25, External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar also pointed to the fact that several major Muslim community groups including the Jamaat ulema-e-Hind had backed the government’s moves in Kashmir.

“I would not agree that the Kashmir issue should be seen through a communal lens,” Mr. Jaishankar said in response to a question. “In terms of how the State and the (BJP) approaches this issue….today, if there is one area we have visibly good relations, particularly in the last five years, it would be in the Gulf….and you know what the dominant faith in the Gulf is,” he added.

In fact, the OIC group’s statement is one of very few at the United Nations that have been critical of India’s actions, even though Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan and Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi made the situation in Kashmir their single talking point at dozens of bilateral and multilateral meetings.

At a press conference on Tuesday, Mr. Khan told journalists that he was “disappointed by the international community,” as they have not accepted Pakistan’s concerns. “There is no pressure on Narendra Modi to lift the siege,” Mr. Khan added at a press conference where most of his comments were restricted to events in Jammu and Kashmir.

Mr. Khan’s speech at the UNGA on Friday, which will follow shortly after Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s speech is also expected to focus mainly on the Kashmir issue.

In contrast, Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina refused to make any comment on Kashmir, indicating her support for the government’s actions. When confronted with a direct question from an audience member at the Council on Foreign Relations on why the Islamic world had not raised the issues of Kashmir and the Rohingya refugees more forcefully as a collective, Ms. Hasina said it was because the OIC is “not united” and there are differences between countries that have “more resources” and those who have less. “All these issues must be resolved by dialogue,” she said.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the only leader to raise Kashmir at the UN thus far and said Kashmir remains “besieged and eight million people are stuck in Kashmir despite resolutions adopted by the UN Security Council”, stressed that the only solution for the “Kashmiri people” was through dialogue.
 

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PA has been trying to test our resolve in the last four days, they have been answered befittingly. In addition two drones which were entering our airspace has been shot down. The drones have fallen on the other side. This tweet should be taken as a warning

 

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Kashmir issue: Rescind action on Article 370, Organisation of Islamic Cooperation tells India.
Calling on India to “rescind” its actions revoking Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir, Saudi Arabia joined Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Niger to issue a statement on behalf of the Organisation of IslamicCooperation (OIC) Kashmir contact group, criticising thegovernment’s actions there.

In the statement issued on September 25 after a ministerial meeting on the sidelines of the UNGA, the group asked the government to “rescind its unilateral illegal actions and reiterate its commitment to abide by the relevant UN Security Council Resolutions, provide assurances that it will not change the occupied territory’s demographic composition and not allow non-Kashmiris to acquire property or residency in [J&K]… halt its human rights violations… repeal its draconian emergency laws, and withdraw its heavy military presence”.

The statement from the contact group, which has issued statements against India on the J&K dispute in the past, is not the first from the group since India decided to attend the OIC earlier in 2019, and follows a statement by the OIC on August 14.

The MEA did not respond to the statement from the organisation that represents 57 member states, but has routinelydismissed any comments on what it considers India’s “internal matter”. Speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations on September 25, External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar also pointed to the fact that several major Muslim community groups including the Jamaat ulema-e-Hind had backed the government’s moves in Kashmir.

“I would not agree that the Kashmir issue should be seen through a communal lens,” Mr. Jaishankar said in response to a question. “In terms of how the State and the (BJP) approaches this issue….today, if there is one area we have visibly good relations, particularly in the last five years, it would be in the Gulf….and you know what the dominant faith in the Gulf is,” he added.

In fact, the OIC group’s statement is one of very few at the United Nations that have been critical of India’s actions, even though Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan and Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi made the situation in Kashmir their single talking point at dozens of bilateral and multilateral meetings.

At a press conference on Tuesday, Mr. Khan told journalists that he was “disappointed by the international community,” as they have not accepted Pakistan’s concerns. “There is no pressure on Narendra Modi to lift the siege,” Mr. Khan added at a press conference where most of his comments were restricted to events in Jammu and Kashmir.

Mr. Khan’s speech at the UNGA on Friday, which will follow shortly after Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s speech is also expected to focus mainly on the Kashmir issue.

In contrast, Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina refused to make any comment on Kashmir, indicating her support for the government’s actions. When confronted with a direct question from an audience member at the Council on Foreign Relations on why the Islamic world had not raised the issues of Kashmir and the Rohingya refugees more forcefully as a collective, Ms. Hasina said it was because the OIC is “not united” and there are differences between countries that have “more resources” and those who have less. “All these issues must be resolved by dialogue,” she said.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the only leader to raise Kashmir at the UN thus far and said Kashmir remains “besieged and eight million people are stuck in Kashmir despite resolutions adopted by the UN Security Council”, stressed that the only solution for the “Kashmiri people” was through dialogue.
We will continue to do whatever we want, and keep growing economically and politically. Pakis will keep whining through their masters and keep sinking further. This has been happening since the 90s. Statements make no difference.
 

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Kashmir issue: Rescind action on Article 370, Organisation of Islamic Cooperation tells India.
Calling on India to “rescind” its actions revoking Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir, Saudi Arabia joined Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Niger to issue a statement on behalf of the Organisation of IslamicCooperation (OIC) Kashmir contact group, criticising thegovernment’s actions there.

In the statement issued on September 25 after a ministerial meeting on the sidelines of the UNGA, the group asked the government to “rescind its unilateral illegal actions and reiterate its commitment to abide by the relevant UN Security Council Resolutions, provide assurances that it will not change the occupied territory’s demographic composition and not allow non-Kashmiris to acquire property or residency in [J&K]… halt its human rights violations… repeal its draconian emergency laws, and withdraw its heavy military presence”.

The statement from the contact group, which has issued statements against India on the J&K dispute in the past, is not the first from the group since India decided to attend the OIC earlier in 2019, and follows a statement by the OIC on August 14.

The MEA did not respond to the statement from the organisation that represents 57 member states, but has routinelydismissed any comments on what it considers India’s “internal matter”. Speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations on September 25, External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar also pointed to the fact that several major Muslim community groups including the Jamaat ulema-e-Hind had backed the government’s moves in Kashmir.

“I would not agree that the Kashmir issue should be seen through a communal lens,” Mr. Jaishankar said in response to a question. “In terms of how the State and the (BJP) approaches this issue….today, if there is one area we have visibly good relations, particularly in the last five years, it would be in the Gulf….and you know what the dominant faith in the Gulf is,” he added.

In fact, the OIC group’s statement is one of very few at the United Nations that have been critical of India’s actions, even though Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan and Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi made the situation in Kashmir their single talking point at dozens of bilateral and multilateral meetings.

At a press conference on Tuesday, Mr. Khan told journalists that he was “disappointed by the international community,” as they have not accepted Pakistan’s concerns. “There is no pressure on Narendra Modi to lift the siege,” Mr. Khan added at a press conference where most of his comments were restricted to events in Jammu and Kashmir.

Mr. Khan’s speech at the UNGA on Friday, which will follow shortly after Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s speech is also expected to focus mainly on the Kashmir issue.

In contrast, Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina refused to make any comment on Kashmir, indicating her support for the government’s actions. When confronted with a direct question from an audience member at the Council on Foreign Relations on why the Islamic world had not raised the issues of Kashmir and the Rohingya refugees more forcefully as a collective, Ms. Hasina said it was because the OIC is “not united” and there are differences between countries that have “more resources” and those who have less. “All these issues must be resolved by dialogue,” she said.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the only leader to raise Kashmir at the UN thus far and said Kashmir remains “besieged and eight million people are stuck in Kashmir despite resolutions adopted by the UN Security Council”, stressed that the only solution for the “Kashmiri people” was through dialogue.
Lol! OIC has zero locus standi. They can keep hollering till the cows come home. Their written statements are not worth the Islamic paper it's written on!!

They've been mouthing this crap for years, so what's new? It's going to be forgotten by the OIC itself in about a week's time and then it will be business as usual!! Yawn!!
 

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Other OSINT handles too are reporting action on LOC.... It is going to be busy 24 hrs on LOC with both sides scheduled to speak at UNGA.

Were we waiting for this day, knowing well that Pakis will definitely do something, and our PM/FM would have taken care of international opinion by meeting all countries in this US trip.... :daru:


"Pakistan Army has suffered one of the worst time on LoC last night. Many posts engaged & taken down in Nowshera for supporting terrorist infiltration."

"PA has been trying to test our resolve in the last four days, they have been answered befittingly.
In addition two drones which were entering our airspace has been shot down. The drones have fallen on the other side. This tweet should be taken as a warning @OfficialDGISPR."
 

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Other OSINT handles too are reporting action on LOC.... It is going to be busy 24 hrs on LOC with both sides scheduled to speak at UNGA.

Were we waiting for this day, knowing well that Pakis will definitely do something, and our PM/FM would have taken care of international opinion by meeting all countries in this US trip.... :daru:


"Pakistan Army has suffered one of the worst time on LoC last night. Many posts engaged & taken down in Nowshera for supporting terrorist infiltration."

"PA has been trying to test our resolve in the last four days, they have been answered befittingly.
In addition two drones which were entering our airspace has been shot down. The drones have fallen on the other side. This tweet should be taken as a warning @OfficialDGISPR."
Other osint handles could be following suit after the first report. Wait for sometime. Everytime some action happens at LOC it is reported in mainstream media as 'ceasefire violation ' without exact details.
 

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Lol! OIC has zero locus standi. They can keep hollering till the cows come home. Their written statements are not worth the Islamic paper it's written on!!

They've been mouthing this crap for years, so what's new? It's going to be forgotten by the OIC itself in about a week's time and then it will be business as usual!! Yawn!!
Yes but we can certainly arm Armenia to piss off both Turkey and Azerbaijan they will themselves come rolling down to us.
 

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What about the plight of Muslims in China: Top US official rebukes Imran Khan.
In a big humiliation for Pakistan, a top US official questioned Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan's silence about China, which has detained around one million Uighurs and other Turkic-speaking Muslims. Calling-out the double standards of Pakistan, US acting assistant secretary for South and Central Asia Alice Wells asked Pakistan to express the "same level" of concern about Muslims' detentions in China as they do for Kashmir.

"...I would like to see the same level of concern expressed also about Muslims who are being detained in Western China, literally in concentration-like conditions," Wells said while replying to a question about Pakistan PM's alleged concerns about Kashmir.

"And so being concerned about the human rights of Muslims does extend more broadly than Kashmir, and you've seen the administration very involved here during the UN General Assembly and trying to shine a light on the horrific conditions that continue to exist for Muslims throughout China," Wells said.


China is a major diplomatic and economic partner of Pakistan. Khan, asked about the Uighurs at a think tank on Monday, declined comment, saying that Pakistan had a "special relationship" with China and would only raise issues in private.

Experts say more than one million Uighurs and people of other mostly Muslim ethnic minorities have been rounded up in internment camps in the tightly-controlled region.

After initially denying their existence, Beijing now defends the camps, which it calls "vocational education centres", as a necessary measure to counter religious extremism and terrorism.

The US led more than 30 countries in condemning what it called China's "horrific campaign of repression" against Muslims in Xinjiang at an event on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly that was denounced by China.
 
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