India-Pakistan LoC/IB Skirmishes in the Aftermath of August 5 2019

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Ey laal chiriya, ee mullwa sab ka itna pakkar hai military aur political affairs pe ki sahi ka decision influence kar ke aisa barbaad step lene pe majboor kar de pure social apparatus ko?

Genuinely batao. Fir se chhattpattaane mat lagna. o_O
Islamic theology and an outlook at the nature of existence does dwell upon the concept of "Kayamat" - the end of the world and the day of the judgement on armageddon. The philosophy dwell on the idea that this world is an illusion and living in that is unreal and a passing phase which will come to an end .... jab Kayamt hogi.

The real life for a faithfull of Allah will start only after his or the world's end when he will be judged for all his sins or good deeds as per Koran injunctions.
There will be no world and no life after kayamat. Those who killed Hindus were be given 72 hurries and sent to jannat with a stone dick...

It is different from Hindu concept of "pralaya" which envisages the end of one cycle of life and the world and life being reborn as part of a new cycle of yugas after that.

To bring in that Qayamat or meet those goals a mullaha can in fact go the extent of self destruction as be a suicide bomber or exploding a dirty bomb on his own country... aim is end of the world...

That madness is in built into Mullahs..
 

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Islamic theology and an outlook at the nature of existence does dwell upon the concept of "Kayamat" - the end of the world and the day of the judgement on armageddon. The philosophy dwell on the idea that this world is an illusion and living in that is unreal and a passing phase which will come to an end .... jab Kayamt hogi.

The real life for a faithfull of Allah will start only after his or the world's end when he will be judged for all his sins or good deeds as per Koran injunctions.
There will be no world and no life after kayamat. Those who killed Hindus were be given 72 hurries and sent to jannat with a stone dick...

It is different from Hindu concept of "pralaya" which envisages the end of one cycle of life and the world and life being reborn as part of a new cycle of yugas after that.

To bring in that Qayamat or meet those goals a mullaha can in fact go the extent of self destruction as be a suicide bomber or exploding a dirty bomb on his own country... aim is end of the world...

That madness is in built into Mullahs..
That's the mythological part. I was asking more along the lines of their power and control on military affairs in Pakistan. Trolling aside, the Porkilitary is considered to be one of the more professional ones in Asia.
Can they really be controlled and forced into a war by the Mullahs or is it the other way around?
 

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no muslim army has ever won anything using Jihad. Pakis think they will be first?
Is that history sir ??.

Every battle the uncivilised tribesmen of Arabia and later Persia fought was Jihad and they established the biggest ever empire in the name of Jihad... largest ever made by a convert by the name of Changez Khan.

If making a mound of Hindu heads was nothing you wish to undergo something more to then call that as Jihad?

However there is a catch in the sentence - Muslim Army .... Not Arab or Pursian or Mongol Army.... she is saying Muslim Army ...... ISIS types..
 

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That's the mythological part. I was asking more along the lines of their power and control on military affairs in Pakistan. Trolling aside, the Porkilitary is considered to be one of the more professional ones in Asia.
Can they really be controlled and forced into a war by the Mullahs or is it the other way around?
with Zai Ul Haq era the distinction between Mullah and military has been obliterated... Pakistan Army is ideologically controlled by Wahhabism the best exponent of which is Darul ul Islam - Deoband, India.

Three Ms rule Pakistan - Money, Military and Mullahs , in the reverse order.
 

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largest ever made by a convert by the name of Changez Khan.
Changez Khan was a follower of a tribal religion. The Khan and Khanate are mongol words referring to the chieftain. He was the destroyer and Killer of millions of muslims. He ended the Khwarezm empire. His grandson Hulagu Khan conquered and destroyed Baghdad..
 

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dont have access to YT, but just search complete joint PM Modi and Pres Trump joint press conf in yt
No I saw that clip, he said that he is not aware weather the PM(of Pakistan) has said it, and If he did, I am sure the PM(which PM is hinting Pakistan most probably) will take care of it.

That was on the question, on recent revelation of IK that some elements in the Army and ISI supported and aided Al Qaeda. The reporter missed an opportunity here, he should've asked the question on ISI helping OBL and current most wanted Al Zawahiri and what the US is going to do about it, then Trump's response would've been interesting as it would've caught the attention of media all over US.
 

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No I saw that clip, he said that he is not aware weather the PM(of Pakistan) has said it, and If he did, I am sure the PM(which PM is hinting Pakistan most probably) will take care of it.

That was on the question, on recent revelation of IK that some elements in the Army and ISI supported and aided Al Qaeda. The reporter missed an opportunity here, he should've asked the question on ISI helping OBL and current most wanted Al Zawahiri and what the US is going to do about it, then Trump's response would've been interesting as it would've caught the attention of media all over US.
Osama is irrelevant.. US depends on Pakistan for Afghan resolution.. and anyway Trump mentioned that Iranian terror is his priority.. and put the onus on modi for any paki terror.
 

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Osama is irrelevant.. US depends on Pakistan for Afghan resolution.. and anyway Trump mentioned that Iranian terror is his priority.. and put the onus on modi for any paki terror.
Cz Israel is definitely more important than Insia and if we turn a blind eye on Iran ,Murika will do same with Pakis. Its give and take ,no freebies
 

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No I saw that clip, he said that he is not aware weather the PM(of Pakistan) has said it, and If he did, I am sure the PM(which PM is hinting Pakistan most probably) will take care of it.

That was on the question, on recent revelation of IK that some elements in the Army and ISI supported and aided Al Qaeda. The reporter missed an opportunity here, he should've asked the question on ISI helping OBL and current most wanted Al Zawahiri and what the US is going to do about it, then Trump's response would've been interesting as it would've caught the attention of media all over US.
Naah he is asking about section where unruly Indian Reporters were shouting ovcer each other - then suddenly says - great reporters, and to Modi where do you find these reporters
 

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Osama is irrelevant.. US depends on Pakistan for Afghan resolution.. and anyway Trump mentioned that Iranian terror is his priority.. and put the onus on modi for any paki terror.
Cz Israel is definitely more important than Insia and if we turn a blind eye on Iran ,Murika will do same with Pakis. Its give and take ,no freebies
What comes out of Trump's recent statements is that the US is unwilling to get its hands dirty in India-Pakistan issue, they have their bags full, the oil is there, the gas is there. They don't need middle east, Saudis and Iran are at war, Turkey is trying to be the new boss. ISIS is almost gone, slowly they'll withdraw and sit at Home, their area of concern is now the Pacific ocean. And he wants Western Europe to take the onus of defending itself from the Russians.

It will now, sell energy and weapons and do informal meddling without putting boots on ground, I mean Special ops might happen but no formal troops. He wants the trade balance to shift towards America and he is planning to do this by cutting war expenses and selling weapons and oil & gas.

He is pushing Modi to play a bigger role in dealing with terrorism in South Asia and Afghanistan in general, and is willing to turn a blind eye, If India takes limited action which is offensive in nature like Balakot. He has been requesting Indian troops on the ground in Afghanistan, and Modi has been delaying, all this can only happen If we get a favorable trade deal and some technology from Americans in weapons manufacturing. We are capable of doing what Trump wants and it's in our own interests to take up a lead role in the region. And for that we'd have to open up Central Asia by annexing GB region and probably upto Chitral in Pakistan proper. And sending in 100000 men in Afghanistan to maintain a non-Islamic state/emirate type government there.

Also the Saudis, UAE, Iraq, and Syria will come to us for more assistance in building up their own forces to take on Iran and Turkey since US is planning to withdraw. The way US allowed Russia to meddle in Ukraine and Syria was the 1st indication of all this and now Turkey's action in Libya, Cyprus, Syria etc and Iran's actions confirms all this. Israelis also know this very well and you'd see them supporting anti-Trump forces in the US more and making their bonds with Sheikhs stronger.

The ground is being opened, the one who dares and has patience at the same time will sustain for long ! Russians are already there and the Chinese have also come in a Major way, the game will be between the Islamists, them and us. USA and West might support give us the cosmetic support but we'd have to get our hands dirty !
 

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Naah he is asking about section where unruly Indian Reporters were shouting ovcer each other - then suddenly says - great reporters, and to Modi where do you find these reporters
Then they deservingly got the credits !
 

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Then they deservingly got the credits !
Not just Gaurav Sawant .. even the other Indian reporters were behaving like reporters competing to interview bollywood celebrities during Filmfare awards... ( same like paki journalists) We deserve the hyphenation with Pakistan. We are both not disciplined, lack self respect, and an appreciation for the occasion. The only difference between us and Pakis is a few degrees, and that is enough for us to parade the fact that we are somehow better people.
 

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Is that history sir ??.

Every battle the uncivilised tribesmen of Arabia and later Persia fought was Jihad and they established the biggest ever empire in the name of Jihad... largest ever made by a convert by the name of Changez Khan.

If making a mound of Hindu heads was nothing you wish to undergo something more to then call that as Jihad?

However there is a catch in the sentence - Muslim Army .... Not Arab or Pursian or Mongol Army.... she is saying Muslim Army ...... ISIS types..
Genghis Khan and moghuls were originally anaimist who later converted to Islam. The greatest success islam had was in the fragmented Indian subcontinent. Both Sunnis and Shiites were highly succesful in converting by the sword. More than 600 million muslims in Indian subcontinent were converted fom hindus. My reference was to modern day Jihad. Modi has reversed the trend where Hindus have first time in history reclaimed/gained territory claimed by Muslims.
 
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with Zai Ul Haq era the distinction between Mullah and military has been obliterated... Pakistan Army is ideologically controlled by Wahhabism the best exponent of which is Darul ul Islam - Deoband, India.

Three Ms rule Pakistan - Money, Military and Mullahs , in the reverse order.
Any public figure or famous mullah who can be considered an authority over the military to guide it's actions in Porkiland?
 
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