India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

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So you mean there is no scope for ATAGS ?? If not than why they have started ATAGS trials again!!!!
Am not saying "no scope of"... but just forget about a larger order.

ATAGS is indigenous... but its costly... would the govt increase army's funds to fund the atmanirbharta... no the fund allocation will keep increasing at only 5% rate
 

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fight is now between two opposing lobbies: one within the MoD where the Department for Defence production & Supplies’ Secretary (who is a sitting member of the OFB’s Board of Directors) being duty-bound to mandate the licenced-production of 1,180 ATHOS howitzers by OFB; and the other led by the MoD-owned Defence R & D Organisation, which is lobbying against the ATHOS and instead pushing for the procurement of 1,580 indigenously developed Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS).

In March 2019, following exhaustive ‘Field Trials Cum Evaluation Process’ spread over two years of ELBIT’s Autonomous Towed Howitzer Ordnance System or ATHOS (weighing less than 15 tonnes) and Nexter’s Trajan (weighing 13 tonnes), ELBIT Systems was declared the lowest bidder (L-1). ELBIT had quoted €477 million for 400 fully-built ATHOS, while Nexter quoted €776 million, which translated into each ATHOS costing €1.2 million, significantly cheaper than the Trajan’s €1.94 million per unit cost. Thus, the ATHOS cost 40% less than the Trajan. cost negotiation process was successfully completed between SIBAT, the International Defence Cooperation Directorate of Israel’s Ministry of Defence (representing ELBIT Systems) and the MoD in July 2019.

However, in December 2020, SIBAT wrote a letter to the MoD to expedite contract signature and even stated that in case the MoD wanted to order only 400 ATHOS (for 20 IA medium regiments) and forego the option of licenced manufacture, the related cost corresponding to the ToT process can be deducted from the total contract price. In addition, ELBIT Systems through SIBAT offered the ToT for the 1,180 ATHOS as an option for India, at the same cost as mentioned in the commercial offer made. ELBIT has also committed itself to achieve 70% indigenisation within the contract for the first 400 ATHOS howitzers, starting from the first units.
 

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fight is now between two opposing lobbies: one within the MoD where the Department for Defence production & Supplies’ Secretary (who is a sitting member of the OFB’s Board of Directors) being duty-bound to mandate the licenced-production of 1,180 ATHOS howitzers by OFB; and the other led by the MoD-owned Defence R & D Organisation, which is lobbying against the ATHOS and instead pushing for the procurement of 1,580 indigenously developed Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS).

In March 2019, following exhaustive ‘Field Trials Cum Evaluation Process’ spread over two years of ELBIT’s Autonomous Towed Howitzer Ordnance System or ATHOS (weighing less than 15 tonnes) and Nexter’s Trajan (weighing 13 tonnes), ELBIT Systems was declared the lowest bidder (L-1). ELBIT had quoted €477 million for 400 fully-built ATHOS, while Nexter quoted €776 million, which translated into each ATHOS costing €1.2 million, significantly cheaper than the Trajan’s €1.94 million per unit cost. Thus, the ATHOS cost 40% less than the Trajan. cost negotiation process was successfully completed between SIBAT, the International Defence Cooperation Directorate of Israel’s Ministry of Defence (representing ELBIT Systems) and the MoD in July 2019.

However, in December 2020, SIBAT wrote a letter to the MoD to expedite contract signature and even stated that in case the MoD wanted to order only 400 ATHOS (for 20 IA medium regiments) and forego the option of licenced manufacture, the related cost corresponding to the ToT process can be deducted from the total contract price. In addition, ELBIT Systems through SIBAT offered the ToT for the 1,180 ATHOS as an option for India, at the same cost as mentioned in the commercial offer made. ELBIT has also committed itself to achieve 70% indigenisation within the contract for the first 400 ATHOS howitzers, starting from the first units.
Who mandates that goddamn joint secretary's duty to supply athos to army
 

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Heating up punjab sector while khalistani are kn rise again ,not wise , porks are trying to reverse uno on us , with cpec , Afghanistan , khalistani insurgency , we can handle them alone ,but if chinese are involved ,cost will rise for us .

Better we involve the balouch , sindhi , pok , pashtuns this time ,as soon as paki try anything in kashmir , their cities Should burn again , they wanna unleash rabid jihadi of Afghanistan ,but things should be complicated , turks Should be portrayed as china alliance , use uighur issue , use pathan ethnicity , even for it once nukes of Pakistani are given access to talibs factions , whole world will be forced to intervene , make this fight bigger than it is , blow up this fight .

Talibs like porks hate Israel make then threaten them with nukes , so that they get involved in proxy war , create environment that whole world support our actions in paki soil , bomb their infra in terrorist areas .

Balouch Should move outside their stronghold , Should enter their people in sam sites of porks , some Should infiltrate their airbase , and bomb their equipment , a plane isn't cheap and any bombing on balouch Should mean loss of some aircraft .
Yes, various options are available to put pressure on the Porks. The Baloch freedom movement and insurgency is an ongoing process. But I believe that the Pak establishment feels that the its present costs are manageable.

Whatever course of action we take, it must be potent enough to make the Pak generals piss in their pants and the Pak establishment to make an immediate U-turn.
The bastards are dreaming of jannat and believe that with Afghanistan under their belt they can achieve anything.

We knew this might happen and hope we have our own counter plans and course of action ready.
 

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TISS hyderabad in there curriculum has Indian occupied Kashmir. Kya hoga is desh ka.

India, as a unified nation, is an anathema for far left fringe alt leftists.

These far left termites have taken control of the discourse in almost all universities.

Such ideas are generally unpalatable to the entire Indian populace but yet unelectable fringe uncultured marxists are in the driving seats at these places.

To these worthies there is no India.

India itself is a colonial project as per them.

Hence any idea of India as a unified nation triggers them. Any party/entity that has pan India support BJP, Hinduism or even (at times ) the Congress infuriates them. (It is another thing that there is an alliance between these two parties (INC + Jhollachappers))

The term "Indian occupied Kashmir" means that these people have not accepted the accession of Kashmir to India. Perfect alignment with Pakistani/Islamist narrative (Not only on this but for all issues).

Traitors.
 
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Hans have no dog-fight in this.. You are being quite dramatic there. Either Taliban takes complete over or Afghan gov't settles for some part because they have lost militarily. The Conflict will not exit Afghanistan at all no spilovers to even PK or other neighbours. It is local conflict
Its the imminent threat of spillover that made chinese ambassador whine about ''restoring peace" asap.
See - https://thediplomat.com/2021/05/du-youkang-on-chinas-stake-in-afghanistan/
 
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