India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

I can confirm Taliban controls more than 50% and the government has pretty lost morally and forces surrendering every single day.. The war is over for them pretty much and the US won't even assist them with airforce after withdrawal.. Turkey will remain but with Taliban's blessing and if not they will get kicked out but what could happen is that Taliban getting 70% of the country under the Istanbul talks with PK, Turkey present and the remaining is shared between the Gov't and turks

It actually doesnt matters if 25% is contested right now or 30% is contested. If there is no agreement, it will be chaos and civil war in afghanistan is likely to create daeshfags frenly cocktail something afghan taliban cant afford. Ptm ttp all will flourish in state of chaos. Afghan taliban wants roaches out.
Bankrupted porkies will face severe instability the existential crisis.
Lets see how hans stop this spillover in xinjiang.
And many afghan taliban still take direct orders from alqaedafags.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Bharat must immediately develop the airbase in tajikistan into something more potent.
We already have good presence there and the capital required to do it.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Indian embassy in Turkey has done it the many times in a row, subtle trolling ...!!!
Whoever is running this account is pretty Based.



First this



Then this



Then this



Then this



Then this

Then this



Then this

Then this

Then this

Then this

Then this

Aaannndddd Now this...

Trolling Turkroaches and Pakroaches plus their Kashmir gandmasti...!!!
They are the only Indian embassy to do such savage and subtle trolling in the whole world and we all know the reason why.

Recep Tayyip Eran should not have opened her mouth at UN regarding Kashmir, and it would have been an easy job for our embassy staff there. And Pakistan is already the private punching bag of India.

 

[Del horno]

It actually doesnt matters if 25% is contested right now or 30% is contested.

Hans have no dog-fight in this.. You are being quite dramatic there. Either Taliban takes complete over or Afghan gov't settles for some part because they have lost militarily. The Conflict will not exit Afghanistan at all no spilovers to even PK or other neighbours. It is local conflict

 

[ezsasa]

Hans have no dog-fight in this.. You are being quite dramatic there. Either Taliban takes complete over or Afghan gov't settles for some part because they have lost militarily. The Conflict will not exit Afghanistan at all no spilovers to even PK or other neighbours. It is local conflict

Spillover already happened, Pakis call it their "War on terror".
as long as you view afghan conflict in terms of modern concept of "nation states", your assessments will always be wrong.

This pic is from Karachi.. Right side of the hill is controlled by afghans and left side by locals.

 

[Lonewolf]

Hans have no dog-fight in this.. You are being quite dramatic there. Either Taliban takes complete over or Afghan gov't settles for some part because they have lost militarily. The Conflict will not exit Afghanistan at all no spilovers to even PK or other neighbours. It is local conflict

Bookmarking this message , after September we will get back on this

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Spillover already happened, Pakis call it their "War on terror".
as long as you view afghan conflict in terms of modern concept of "nation states", your assessments will always be wrong.

This pic is from Karachi.. Right side of the hill is controlled by afghans and left side by locals.

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Yes , l remember from vice.
Right side afgans , left side Bihari's .
Lots of target killers here too.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Infact, at the time of 1998 tests, Pramod Mahajan had told that India had a capability to make big bombs in 1998.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

This year 2 countries did 2 reforms in education system.

India: India’s New Education Policy, includes data science education and better education spending etc.
Here is the document .

https://www.education.gov.in/sites/upload_files/mhrd/files/NEP_Final_English_0.pdf

Pakistan: Compulsory Arabic language and Quran studies in Pakistan’s National Curriculum added this year.

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Majority schools systems to make Holy Quran teaching compulsory

ISLAMABAD: The country’s major provinces, the federal capital territory, Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan, have included the compulsory teaching of nazrah Quran as part of their curriculum...

www.thenews.com.pk

And then these Paki people give such stupid responses and excuses wondering why did India’s IISc ranked No.1 in the whole world this year in terms of research output and why India is ahead of Pakistan in every single fuckin’ field, r/ROFL .

Pakistan is heading towards its logical end very fast. Arabic and Quran is made compulsory. Pakistan had an advantage of vibrant Indian culture when it was seperated. They systematically ruined it. Now close marriages and teaching of holy book with extreme poverty has messed pakistan. Pakistan meeting its logical end at the earliest is the only solution.

 

[TakAman]

Pakistan is heading towards its logical end very fast. Arabic and Quran is made compulsory. Pakistan had an advantage of vibrant Indian culture when it was seperated. They systematically ruined it. Now close marriages and teaching of holy book with extreme poverty has messed pakistan. Pakistan meeting its logical end at the earliest is the only solution.

Pakistan is one of the most (if not the most) backward country when it comes to education.

It's school enrollment:

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

Is at 68% and among bottom 10-15 nations in the world, below war torn Syria. And at par with Central African republic (sub Saharan Africa).

Compared to 90% plus for India, China and Bangladesh.

That's why Bangladesh thrived and Pakistan struggled. As one nation focused on education and human development, while another focused on fighting with India and Kashmir.

They claim to be influenced by Arabic culture, mostly because of having a common religion.

On the other hand, UAE with it's 50% Indian population (expats) is moving away from Islam to being more religious tolerant and is making it's first Hindu temple:


And even it's ideology towards Israel has changed and is one of the first Muslim country to recognize Israel:

How Arab Ties With Israel Became the Middle East’s New Normal

Though Israel remains opposed to Palestinian independence, 2020 marked the year of its acceptance in the region.

foreignpolicy.com

They even allowed women to go out independently in Saudi Arabia:

Saudi Arabia allows women to travel independently

Women over 21 can now apply for a passport without a male guardian, but other restrictions remain.

www.bbc.com

In a world divided by race, caste, religion, color, gender, etc. one has to learn how to live peacefully with other nations. And Arabs are one of the first Muslims who are on the right path.

While Pakistan's path is regressive.

If they are really making Arabic compulsory in schools, they should better learn something from the Arabs as well.

Well said that it is right time to end Pakistan. Hope they are debt trapped by china and become the next Uyghur re-educational camps, or it's equivalent. Only that can save Pakistan.

 

[Lonewolf]

Pakistan is one of the most (if not the most) backward country when it comes to education.

It's school enrollment:

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

Is at 68% and among bottom 10-15 nations in the world, below war torn Syria. And at par with Central African republic (sub Saharan Africa).

Compared to 90% plus for India, China and Bangladesh.

That's why Bangladesh thrived and Pakistan struggled. As one nation focused on education and human development, while another focused on fighting with India and Kashmir.

They claim to be influenced by Arabic culture, mostly because of having a common religion.

On the other hand, UAE with it's 50% Indian population (expats) is moving away from Islam to being more religious tolerant and is making it's first Hindu temple:


And even it's ideology towards Israel has changed and is one of the first Muslim country to recognize Israel:

How Arab Ties With Israel Became the Middle East’s New Normal

Though Israel remains opposed to Palestinian independence, 2020 marked the year of its acceptance in the region.

foreignpolicy.com

They even allowed women to go out independently in Saudi Arabia:

Saudi Arabia allows women to travel independently

Women over 21 can now apply for a passport without a male guardian, but other restrictions remain.

www.bbc.com

In a world divided by race, caste, religion, color, gender, etc. one has to learn how to live peacefully with other nations. And Arabs are one of the first Muslims who are on the right path.

While Pakistan's path is regressive.

If they are really making Arabic compulsory in schools, they should better learn something from the Arabs as well.

Well said that it is right time to end Pakistan. Hope they are debt trapped by china and become the next Uyghur re-educational camps, or it's equivalent. Only that can save Pakistan.

Saudi will follow uae model but after 10 year ,their population is still voilent , they are trying but will take time .

In case of pakistan ,it happens why a convert in place of honoring his past ,wanna destroy it to step in the shoes of the converter and feel proud to do so .Even if the process was voilent and their ancestors were raped ,killed and tortured ,but still what can we do .

Well ,not inly india ,this attitude exist in many sub continent Muslim , some indian and Bangladeshi too ,not at extent of pakistan but still you will feel the similarities among them , especially new age Bangladeshi , they are losing their somewhat secular they have today

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

Aatmnirbhar bharat vs make in India

ATAGS vs ATHOS

400 ATHOS COSTING just €477 million

Most people opposing it without understanding that ATHOS is twice as much expensive

& LET ME TELL YOU ALL... the "1580" towed howitzer requirement does not stand at all now.... its reduced to about 800...

& Truck mounted howitzer increased from 814 to 1500...

Revised requirements have not been made public

ATAGS will have a future only if a truck mounted version is built.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Aatmnirbhar bharat vs make in India

ATAGS vs ATHOS

400 ATHOS COSTING just €477 million

Most people opposing it without understanding that ATHOS is twice as much expensive

& LET ME TELL YOU ALL... the "1580" towed howitzer requirement does not stand at all now.... its reduced to about 800...

& Truck mounted howitzer increased from 814 to 1500...

Revised requirements have not been made public

ATAGS will have a future only if a truck mounted version is built.

There already is a truck mounted variant of Dhanush.

 

[Lonewolf]

Aatmnirbhar bharat vs make in India

ATAGS vs ATHOS

400 ATHOS COSTING just €477 million

Most people opposing it without understanding that ATHOS is twice as much expensive

& LET ME TELL YOU ALL... the "1580" towed howitzer requirement does not stand at all now.... its reduced to about 800...

& Truck mounted howitzer increased from 814 to 1500...

Revised requirements have not been made public

ATAGS will have a future only if a truck mounted version is built.

Weight is just 3 ton more ,which can be reduced further ,and price can be brought down , in mass manufacturing , athos is already manufactured a lot , that's why it's price fell down

 

[Lonewolf]

Aatmnirbhar bharat vs make in India

ATAGS vs ATHOS

400 ATHOS COSTING just €477 million

Most people opposing it without understanding that ATHOS is twice as much expensive

& LET ME TELL YOU ALL... the "1580" towed howitzer requirement does not stand at all now.... its reduced to about 800...

& Truck mounted howitzer increased from 814 to 1500...

Revised requirements have not been made public

ATAGS will have a future only if a truck mounted version is built.

Atags just need a auto firing mode , nothing else

 

[Cheetah007]

Turkey can’t stay with Chinks as it will hurt their domestic politics due to Uighur muslim issue, as Uighurs are Ethnic Turks and their occupied country was called East Turkestan before China occupied it. I’ve seen Turks abusing Pakistanis for being a slave of China on Twitter, in fact many such screenshots have been posted on this particular thread by @Vishalreddy3 nibba.

Turks will like to be there in order to fully galvanize the Ughiyur issue. Afghanistan has a small drip connected with China where the resistive region is not far.

 

[Tridev123]

In 1990 it was "jaago jaago subah huyi, ROOS ne baazi haari hai, hind pe Larza Taari hai, ab Kashmir ki bari hai"

for the 2021 version of above slogan... replace ROOS with Amreeka

You have flagged an important issue.
Yes, the Porks have been having wet dreams of turning Afghanistan into a puppet (control it like KPK) for decades. They believe it will help them in at least two ways
1.Provide strategic depth to Pakistan against India. Military assets including war
planes can be moved to Afghanistan in an crisis.
2.Provide an almost unending supply of jihadists/terrorists for use against India in J&K and realise its grand dreams of annexing Kashmir.

The exploitation of Afghanistan's mineral wealth could be a long term objective as well.
We saw a similar euphoria in Islamabad the last time the Taliban came to power in Kabul. Their plan went to smithereens in the past and there is no reason to believe that they would succeed in achieving all of their objectives this time.

Pakistan simply does not have the money or resources to sustain an occupation of Afghanistan for a long time. Probably the Chinese have been pulled in to bankroll the entire plan. Without Chinese support Plan Afghanistan for the ISI will not be feasible.
Yes, the entry of the Chinese complicates the matter But I believe the US which is still a super power will not take kindly to Chinese control of Afghanistan. There will be various options to counter the problem. The neighbours of Afghanistan will play a crucial role in checkmating the Chinese plans. India needs to work together with the US alliance on Afghanistan if the Chinese really step in in a big way. I am sure even Russia will not welcome Chinese lordship over Afghanistan.

The Taliban may in the near future control the major cities and towns of Afghanistan including the capital Kabul. That is expected and should not be a surprise. But being a spread out guerrilla force and forming and sustaining governance are two different tasks altogether. They were vulnerable to US aerial bombing in the past and will again be vulnerable. With only shoulder fired Sam's the Taliban government forces cannot engage high flying aircraft using LGB's. Once the Taliban become concentrated in the cities and take residence there they become likely juicy targets.

Now for the Taliban government to survive in the long run it needs an nation wide radar and SAM network which will secure its airspace. This can only be provided by the Chinese and not the Pakistanis. So the behaviour of the Chinese needs to be watched closely. I believe in case the Chinese overreach on Afghanistan the rest of the world would gang up against them and raise the costs manifold.

One important factor is the mind control of the Taliban achieved by the ISI. By using Islam they have managed to hypnotise the Afghans into following their diktat. But aside from being mainly Sunni Muslims the Taliban are also Pathans. Permanently bowing down to the Punjabi Muslims (Pak Army and ISI) would not be very comfortable for them. We need to rekindle their ethnic identity as Pathans who are known to be fiercely independent. The Taliban is not an uniformed army. There will be sections of the Taliban who would like to be free of Pakistani control. India needs to cultivate those sections and try to change the narrative.

If we assume the worst case scenario and the Pak army starts pushing in large numbers of Talibani terrorists into Kashmir in a year or so after consolidating in Afghanistan, our reaction need not be confined to Kashmir. Why should we allow the Pakistanis to determine the battle arena. Instead of fighting a defensive battle in Kashmir we should if the situation demands start shelling Pak Punjab and move our forces a few kilometres into Pak Punjab as a warning. Most of the top brass of the Army and ISI owe their origins to Pak Punjab. Their homes and families are based in the Pak Punjab. Hit them and they will forget about Kashmir and Afghanistan.

It is therefore not necessary that Pakistan will easily achieve all its objectives in Afghanistan. On the other hand it may actually face a nasty surprise.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Aatmnirbhar bharat vs make in India

ATAGS vs ATHOS

400 ATHOS COSTING just €477 million

Most people opposing it without understanding that ATHOS is twice as much expensive

& LET ME TELL YOU ALL... the "1580" towed howitzer requirement does not stand at all now.... its reduced to about 800...

& Truck mounted howitzer increased from 814 to 1500...

Revised requirements have not been made public

ATAGS will have a future only if a truck mounted version is built.

So you mean there is no scope for ATAGS ?? If not than why they have started ATAGS trials again!!!!

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

You have flagged an important issue.
Yes, the Porks have been having wet dreams of turning Afghanistan into a puppet (control it like KPK) for decades. They believe it will help them in at least two ways
1.Provide strategic depth to Pakistan against India. Military assets including war
planes can be moved to Afghanistan in an crisis.
2.Provide an almost unending supply of jihadists/terrorists for use against India in J&K and realise its grand dreams of annexing Kashmir.

The exploitation of Afghanistan's mineral wealth could be a long term objective as well.
We saw a similar euphoria in Islamabad the last time the Taliban came to power in Kabul. Their plan went to smithereens in the past and there is no reason to believe that they would succeed in achieving all of their objectives this time.

Pakistan simply does not have the money or resources to sustain an occupation of Afghanistan for a long time. Probably the Chinese have been pulled in to bankroll the entire plan. Without Chinese support Plan Afghanistan for the ISI will not be feasible.
Yes, the entry of the Chinese complicates the matter But I believe the US which is still a super power will not take kindly to Chinese control of Afghanistan. There will be various options to counter the problem. The neighbours of Afghanistan will play a crucial role in checkmating the Chinese plans. India needs to work together with the US alliance on Afghanistan if the Chinese really step in in a big way. I am sure even Russia will not welcome Chinese lordship over Afghanistan.

The Taliban may in the near future control the major cities and towns of Afghanistan including the capital Kabul. That is expected and should not be a surprise. But being a spread out guerrilla force and forming and sustaining governance are two different tasks altogether. They were vulnerable to US aerial bombing in the past and will again be vulnerable. With only shoulder fired Sam's the Taliban government forces cannot engage high flying aircraft using LGB's. Once the Taliban become concentrated in the cities and take residence there they become likely juicy targets.

Now for the Taliban government to survive in the long run it needs an nation wide radar and SAM network which will secure its airspace. This can only be provided by the Chinese and not the Pakistanis. So the behaviour of the Chinese needs to be watched closely. I believe in case the Chinese overreach on Afghanistan the rest of the world would gang up against them and raise the costs manifold.

One important factor is the mind control of the Taliban achieved by the ISI. By using Islam they have managed to hypnotise the Afghans into following their diktat. But aside from being mainly Sunni Muslims the Taliban are also Pathans. Permanently bowing down to the Punjabi Muslims (Pak Army and ISI) would not be very comfortable for them. We need to rekindle their ethnic identity as Pathans who are known to be fiercely independent. The Taliban is not an uniformed army. There will be sections of the Taliban who would like to be free of Pakistani control. India needs to cultivate those sections and try to change the narrative.

If we assume the worst case scenario and the Pak army starts pushing in large numbers of Talibani terrorists into Kashmir in a year or so after consolidating in Afghanistan, our reaction need not be confined to Kashmir. Why should we allow the Pakistanis to determine the battle arena. Instead of fighting a defensive battle in Kashmir we should if the situation demands start shelling Pak Punjab and move our forces a few kilometres into Pak Punjab as a warning. Most of the top brass of the Army and ISI owe their origins to Pak Punjab. Their homes and families are based in the Pak Punjab. Hit them and they will forget about Kashmir and Afghanistan.

It is therefore not necessary that Pakistan will easily achieve all its objectives in Afghanistan. On the other hand it may actually face a nasty surprise.

Don't use "probably" in Pak-China case... the right word is "certainly"

& yes Pakistan is a broker & facilitator for the Chinese exploitation of Afghanistan

who ever wants to make joke can do so... but I will state this here...

A deeper reason for US unwillingness to leave & chinese eagerness to enter.... "LOTS & LOTS OF PARANORMAL ALIEN ACTIVITY IN AFGHANISTAN"

LAUGH IT OFF!

 

[Lonewolf]

You have flagged an important issue.
Yes, the Porks have been having wet dreams of turning Afghanistan into a puppet (control it like KPK) for decades. They believe it will help them in at least two ways
1.Provide strategic depth to Pakistan against India. Military assets including war
planes can be moved to Afghanistan in an crisis.
2.Provide an almost unending supply of jihadists/terrorists for use against India in J&K and realise its grand dreams of annexing Kashmir.

The exploitation of Afghanistan's mineral wealth could be a long term objective as well.
We saw a similar euphoria in Islamabad the last time the Taliban came to power in Kabul. Their plan went to smithereens in the past and there is no reason to believe that they would succeed in achieving all of their objectives this time.

Pakistan simply does not have the money or resources to sustain an occupation of Afghanistan for a long time. Probably the Chinese have been pulled in to bankroll the entire plan. Without Chinese support Plan Afghanistan for the ISI will not be feasible.
Yes, the entry of the Chinese complicates the matter But I believe the US which is still a super power will not take kindly to Chinese control of Afghanistan. There will be various options to counter the problem. The neighbours of Afghanistan will play a crucial role in checkmating the Chinese plans. India needs to work together with the US alliance on Afghanistan if the Chinese really step in in a big way. I am sure even Russia will not welcome Chinese lordship over Afghanistan.

The Taliban may in the near future control the major cities and towns of Afghanistan including the capital Kabul. That is expected and should not be a surprise. But being a spread out guerrilla force and forming and sustaining governance are two different tasks altogether. They were vulnerable to US aerial bombing in the past and will again be vulnerable. With only shoulder fired Sam's the Taliban government forces cannot engage high flying aircraft using LGB's. Once the Taliban become concentrated in the cities and take residence there they become likely juicy targets.

Now for the Taliban government to survive in the long run it needs an nation wide radar and SAM network which will secure its airspace. This can only be provided by the Chinese and not the Pakistanis. So the behaviour of the Chinese needs to be watched closely. I believe in case the Chinese overreach on Afghanistan the rest of the world would gang up against them and raise the costs manifold.

One important factor is the mind control of the Taliban achieved by the ISI. By using Islam they have managed to hypnotise the Afghans into following their diktat. But aside from being mainly Sunni Muslims the Taliban are also Pathans. Permanently bowing down to the Punjabi Muslims (Pak Army and ISI) would not be very comfortable for them. We need to rekindle their ethnic identity as Pathans who are known to be fiercely independent. The Taliban is not an uniformed army. There will be sections of the Taliban who would like to be free of Pakistani control. India needs to cultivate those sections and try to change the narrative.

If we assume the worst case scenario and the Pak army starts pushing in large numbers of Talibani terrorists into Kashmir in a year or so after consolidating in Afghanistan, our reaction need not be confined to Kashmir. Why should we allow the Pakistanis to determine the battle arena. Instead of fighting a defensive battle in Kashmir we should if the situation demands start shelling Pak Punjab and move our forces a few kilometres into Pak Punjab as a warning. Most of the top brass of the Army and ISI owe their origins to Pak Punjab. Their homes and families are based in the Pak Punjab. Hit them and they will forget about Kashmir and Afghanistan.

It is therefore not necessary that Pakistan will easily achieve all its objectives in Afghanistan. On the other hand it may actually face a nasty surprise.

Heating up punjab sector while khalistani are kn rise again ,not wise , porks are trying to reverse uno on us , with cpec , Afghanistan , khalistani insurgency , we can handle them alone ,but if chinese are involved ,cost will rise for us .

Better we involve the balouch , sindhi , pok , pashtuns this time ,as soon as paki try anything in kashmir , their cities Should burn again , they wanna unleash rabid jihadi of Afghanistan ,but things should be complicated , turks Should be portrayed as china alliance , use uighur issue , use pathan ethnicity , even for it once nukes of Pakistani are given access to talibs factions , whole world will be forced to intervene , make this fight bigger than it is , blow up this fight .

Talibs like porks hate Israel make then threaten them with nukes , so that they get involved in proxy war , create environment that whole world support our actions in paki soil , bomb their infra in terrorist areas .

Balouch Should move outside their stronghold , Should enter their people in sam sites of porks , some Should infiltrate their airbase , and bomb their equipment , a plane isn't cheap and any bombing on balouch Should mean loss of some aircraft .