India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

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NationalPakistan Has Placed Strategic Missiles Near The Indian Border: Satellite Images Reveal
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Pakistan has moved its missile and strategic weapons closer to the Indian border as tensions between both nations have been escalating after unrelenting cross border shelling along the Line of Control.
The satellite images indicated the new position of the missiles which is now nearer to the Indian border. The LY-80 missile is believed to have been strategically moved to a base in the city of Lahore which is just 14 miles away from the India- Pakistan border, reports the Express.co.uk
The LY-80 aka HQ16A is a Chinese-manufactured medium-range missile system with the ability to engage aerial targets at high altitude and can intercept targets at a distance of40km.
First used by the Pakistan army in March 2017, the LY-80 missile is also equipped with six firing missile containers locked in two rows of three, which can shoot at a speed in excess of 600mph.
The decision to move their missiles closer to India can be seen as a threatening gesture as the two countries are engaged in brutal disputes over Kashmir. India also accuses Pakistan of sending militants across the border and fan separatism in the region.

 

[Rxbanda]

These organizations have a continuous supply of such people. One of my Pakistani friends was telling that the poor people are picked up from Madrasas and given this training for very cheap amounts..

And then they die this way.. What a waste of life!

 

[Mikesingh]

NationalPakistan Has Placed Strategic Missiles Near The Indian Border: Satellite Images Reveal
25 mins ago
0 7 Less than a minute

Pakistan has moved its missile and strategic weapons closer to the Indian border as tensions between both nations have been escalating after unrelenting cross border shelling along the Line of Control.
The satellite images indicated the new position of the missiles which is now nearer to the Indian border. The LY-80 missile is believed to have been strategically moved to a base in the city of Lahore which is just 14 miles away from the India- Pakistan border, reports the Express.co.uk
The LY-80 aka HQ16A is a Chinese-manufactured medium-range missile system with the ability to engage aerial targets at high altitude and can intercept targets at a distance of40km.
First used by the Pakistan army in March 2017, the LY-80 missile is also equipped with six firing missile containers locked in two rows of three, which can shoot at a speed in excess of 600mph.
The decision to move their missiles closer to India can be seen as a threatening gesture as the two countries are engaged in brutal disputes over Kashmir. India also accuses Pakistan of sending militants across the border and fan separatism in the region.

Good! Well within range of our loitering Harpys! We'll take them out before they can say jack! And it's extremely difficult to lock on to a Harpy. So it's actually advantage us! It's really no big deal.

 

[Bhadra]

Good! Well within range of our loitering Harpys! We'll take them out before they can say jack! And it's extremely difficult to lock on to a Harpy. So it's actually advantage us! It's really no big deal.

Indian Armed Forces and Indian rulers including military leadership has always suffered from backwardness of military and technologies right from the days of Alexander of Macedonia.

In Spite of great Mahabharata's lessons of a weak side winning the great war based on the Pandavas possessing superior technologies (Divya Astras), Indian rulers disposed their faith on greater numbers and massed Armies. Whether it was the application of superior bows, arrows, horses, guns , metallurgy or tactics, Indian rulers and generals faltered in seeking security in numbers.

Post independence also we can clearly see that Pakistan always gained unequal military importance in the subcontinent based on their acquiring superior technologies (such as sabre jets, Patton tanks, F-16 etc). Not only that it goaded them to launch many offensives into India.

What did we do ? We tried to beat our adversaries superiority of technology by posing on our faith and trust on reservationist scientists without keeping at par with our adversaries by other means unless forced to do so and that too for making big money rather than for the sole benefit of the nation.

Fifty years development period is not insignificant but our defence scientist have never risen to the occasions. Rather they made and thrust upon the Armed forces a system such as INSAS for sure shot defeat. There is not even a single system used in Kargil war that could have proven the point otherwise.

If the question is that of saving money and developing domestic industry, they have not contributed evn to that. The money spend on them is phenomenal and no industry has ever benefited out of them.

Unless India finds an answer to this, your Harpys will be out matched by the other side.

 

[Bhadra]

These organizations have a continuous supply of such people. One of my Pakistani friends was telling that the poor people are picked up from Madrasas and given this training for very cheap amounts..

And then they die this way.. What a waste of life!

There is nothing new in that.
The geographical area that makes up Pakistan have always been a land of more than often Scorched Earth mercenaries and always provided large numbers of paid soldiers to mount attacks across Sindh and the five famous rivers. Not only that, the area also provided paid soldiers to Indian rulers including Sikhs for their expeditions into Afghanistan and Central Asia.

The British, due to their Afghanistan, North Western and Tribal campaigns over a prolonged period had largest numbers of PM (Punjabi Muslims) and Pathan tribal soldiers in the British Indian Army. American used them against Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

So being Jihadi Terrorist mercenaries for a few rupees is in their genes. Fighting and dying for a few bucks is their destiny and consequences of historical geopolitical effects. Jihad is their necessity for deriving justification for their utter mercenary behavior.

These fundamental traits should have been taken into consideration by Indian Security planners. British fully knew it and goaded / engineered a mercenary military campaign into J&K in 1947 - 48 itself. Nehru was busy giving concessions to them rather than stopping the age old "Lashkar Kassi" trans Jhelum.

 

[Mikesingh]

Indian Armed Forces and Indian rulers including military leadership has always suffered from backwardness of military and technologies right from the days of Alexander of Macedonia.

In Spite of great Mahabharata's lessons of a weak side winning the great war based on the Pandavas possessing superior technologies (Divya Astras), Indian rulers disposed their faith on greater numbers and massed Armies. Whether it was the application of superior bows, arrows, horses, guns , metallurgy or tactics, Indian rulers and generals faltered in seeking security in numbers.

Post independence also we can clearly see that Pakistan always gained unequal military importance in the subcontinent based on their acquiring superior technologies (such as sabre jets, Patton tanks, F-16 etc). Not only that it goaded them to launch many offensives into India.

What did we do ? We tried to beat our adversaries superiority of technology by posing on our faith and trust on reservationist scientists without keeping at par with our adversaries by other means unless forced to do so and that too for making big money rather than for the sole benefit of the nation.

Fifty years development period is not insignificant but our defence scientist have never risen to the occasions. Rather they made and thrust upon the Armed forces a system such as INSAS for sure shot defeat. There is not even a single system used in Kargil war that could have proven the point otherwise.

If the question is that of saving money and developing domestic industry, they have not contributed evn to that. The money spend on them is phenomenal and no industry has ever benefited out of them.

Unless India finds an answer to this, your Harpys will be out matched by the other side.

I wouldn't go so far back as Alexander, but who do we have to thank for this inertia, post independence? Nehru and his 'socialism' model! We accepted inferior quality and adopted the 'chalta hai attitude'. Inspector raj got billions for the then ruling party and made people rich with their pockets bulging at the seams.

The tide turned gradually in the early 90s with Narsi bringing in the much needed reforms. It took us decades to brush away the apathy, lethargy and indifference. It's now that we've woken up from our slumber. We have wasted at least 50 years if not 70, poodle faking. If we had privatised and jumped on the bandwagon of defence R&D and production with adequate funding half a century ago, we would have been a net exporter of weapon platforms with cutting edge technology by now. We Indians have the brains, but need a little motivation, competition and encouragement to get going.

A glaring example of the rot that had set in was the vehicle factory at Jabalpur in the 80s. One had to see to believe the lack of work ethics, and non existant quality control in those days. The trade unions nurtured by a Cong culture of corruption and non-governance ruled the roost. Thankfully things are changing.

As it is said: It's better late than never!!

 

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[LurkerBaba]

Some OT posts moved here https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/reservation-in-india-its-time-for-evaluation.5734/page-39

 

[Mikesingh]

Losing their retards to the BLA is more embarrassing than losing them to the well trained IA! But then it seems like they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. It's become so bad that their defence minister had recently mentioned in the Pak senate that casualties cannot be divulged! Which translates to, "we are getting royally fukd from everywhere"!

 

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[Underground Soldier]

From Pak’s terror factories, 450 reach launch pads to enter Kashmir

The new estimate, powered by new intelligence inputs received by national security planners in Delhi, indicates that Pakistan has doubled the presence of terrorists at the launch pads in just about a week or so.

m.hindustantimes.com

Good practice matches coming up very soon!! All the best to our boys!!

 

[Rxbanda]

From Pak’s terror factories, 450 reach launch pads to enter Kashmir

The new estimate, powered by new intelligence inputs received by national security planners in Delhi, indicates that Pakistan has doubled the presence of terrorists at the launch pads in just about a week or so.

m.hindustantimes.com

Good practice matches coming up very soon!! All the best to our boys!!

450 is a big number. Hope there are no casualities of IA.

 

[sorcerer]

From Pak’s terror factories, 450 reach launch pads to enter Kashmir

The new estimate, powered by new intelligence inputs received by national security planners in Delhi, indicates that Pakistan has doubled the presence of terrorists at the launch pads in just about a week or so.

m.hindustantimes.com

Good practice matches coming up very soon!! All the best to our boys!!

is it the reason why them pakis moved their missiles close to our border if we try to send them whole sale to 72 virgins!
but hey we sure can burn them paki terrorists whole sale no matter what them pakis place near the border

 

[Bhadra]

I wouldn't go so far back as Alexander, but who do we have to thank for this inertia, post independence? Nehru and his 'socialism' model! We accepted inferior quality and adopted the 'chalta hai attitude'. Inspector raj got billions for the then ruling party and made people rich with their pockets bulging at the seams.

The tide turned gradually in the early 90s with Narsi bringing in the much needed reforms. It took us decades to brush away the apathy, lethargy and indifference. It's now that we've woken up from our slumber. We have wasted at least 50 years if not 70, poodle faking. If we had privatised and jumped on the bandwagon of defence R&D and production with adequate funding half a century ago, we would have been a net exporter of weapon platforms with cutting edge technology by now. We Indians have the brains, but need a little motivation, competition and encouragement to get going.

A glaring example of the rot that had set in was the vehicle factory at Jabalpur in the 80s. One had to see to believe the lack of work ethics, and non existant quality control in those days. The trade unions nurtured by a Cong culture of corruption and non-governance ruled the roost. Thankfully things are changing.

As it is said: It's better late than never!!

At independence, Nehru and Congress forsake the practice of seeking defence in numbers and disbanded half the Army. The nation had to undergo a great humiliation in 1962. Only one battalion each had to withstand waves and waves of Chinese division size attack at Rezangla or on Dhola ridge.

DRDO, DPSUs and OFB are also the product of Socialist system of centralized control of bureaucrates over essential industry but unfortunately those turned out to be big employment and Social justice cum political empires. They produced good workers unions and vote banks and a big drain on Defense Budgets.

Consequently. in the name of national security, we have neither the technology nor the numbers but a closely protected and guarded empires of bureaucracies. Empires of Services, OFB, DRDO, DPSUs, Intelligence services, armed police, Mod Babus and taut / agents/ arms dealers who are eating everything like termites from inside rather than working in unified manner to obtain national security.

What can one do in a country where Armed Forces are seen as a threat to the Kursi / Chairs rather than as protectors of the nation and our gunda politicians call a service Chief as "Galli Ka Gunda".

 

[here2where]

What can one do in a country where Armed Forces are seen as a threat to the Kursi / Chairs rather than as protectors of the nation and our gunda politicians call a service Chief as "Galli Ka Gunda".

Hasn't this been the practice from times immemorial? Kings have survived at the pleasure of senapati, and it works well for the king to keep a wary eye on his army chief to remain on the throne.

 

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rip freedom fighters.

 

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terrorist arrested in Punjab.

 

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Wasi Unar killd in retaliatory action by our forces at LoC.

He was buried in Sakhi Sher Shah Cemetery in Nazar Muhammad Unar village near Skarand.

 

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1 terrorist killed in encounter.