India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

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So, Waziristan also wants to separate from Pak? Can someone please clarify?
I thought Pak has problems on LoC and Balochistan only. Does it have an equally serious threat from Waziristan freedom fighters also?
 

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Hasn't this been the practice from times immemorial? Kings have survived at the pleasure of senapati, and it works well for the king to keep a wary eye on his army chief to remain on the throne.


The importance of Security of the state and its subject is so great that thinkers like Tsun Tsu described it as matter of life and death. Hence in older times as also in modern times, Kings / Rulers and elite ruling classes have considered military service as their fundamental responsibility and essential condition for claiming right to governance. Mostly the kings themselves were Commander in Chief or it would be the close confident or a kinsman.

The same idea is reflected in the President (therefore the executives) being the Commander in Chief in the constitution of India. Unfortunately that is only very symbolical when the same is translated into reality. In our country military service is farthest from the rich, influential and elites. That is one of the reasons for mistrust between the two that existed since independence which threw up a new class of rulers having no traditional groundings and ethos as also a new class of military leadership.

The result is a total divorce between the sense of military responsibility amongst the ruling elites and lack of a sense of being a stake holder amongst the military leadership. That is very dangerous for the security of a state. That situation has also given rise to negative system of political control over the armed forces in India as exercised by the executive through bureaucracy.

That is Nehruvian negative legacy.
 

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Losing their retards to the BLA is more embarrassing than losing them to the well trained IA! But then it seems like they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. It's become so bad that their defence minister had recently mentioned in the Pak senate that casualties cannot be divulged! Which translates to, "we are getting royally fukd from everywhere"! 🥴
Jokes aside, I hope we're working on pumping up the Baloch & Pashtuns so that they really can exact severe casualties from Pak eventually, with the long term goal of creating a completely hostile and unsustainable situation for the Pakistani state in those territories some day.
 

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So, Waziristan also wants to separate from Pak? Can someone please clarify?
I thought Pak has problems on LoC and Balochistan only. Does it have an equally serious threat from Waziristan freedom fighters also?
Waziristan is just one District in the Larger Paki Occuiped Khyber Pakhtunkhwa State. Pashtun Tribes make up the majority of the state and second largest Group are the Panjabi Occupation Settlers from Paki Panjab just like in POK.

Sindhi and Panjabi Muslims dominate Pakistan while the rest including Non-Muslim Minorities are cast aside to be used by the majority so there many independence movements in KPK and Balochistan. Pakis Considers both Pashtun and Balochi Freedom Fighters both equally dangerous to them. Both Groups wants to stop Paki Genocide and Exploitation of there People and Resources.
 

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Waziristan is just one District in the Larger Paki Occuiped Khyber Pakhtunkhwa State. Pashtun Tribes make up the majority of the state and second largest Group are the Panjabi Occupation Settlers from Paki Panjab just like in POK.

Sindhi and Panjabi Muslims dominate Pakistan while the rest including Non-Muslim Minorities are cast aside to be used by the majority so there many independence movements in KPK and Balochistan. Pakis Considers both Pashtun and Balochi Freedom Fighters both equally dangerous to them. Both Groups wants to stop Paki Genocide and Exploitation of there People and Resources.
Thoda tho retrospect karna chahiye na unko.. ki what are they getting from all these extremist activities. Outside their country, their people are even ashamed to say that they are from Paki. I have seen that here. Unhi ke ek TV channel me bhi aaya tha.
 

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Jokes aside, I hope we're working on pumping up the Baloch & Pashtuns so that they really can exact severe casualties from Pak eventually, with the long term goal of creating a completely hostile and unsustainable situation for the Pakistani state in those territories some day.
Unfortunately ISI has similar strategy for India- to destabilize from the east. Hope we stand up well to that challenge.
 

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Unfortunately ISI has similar strategy for India- to destabilize from the east. Hope we stand up well to that challenge.
The time to break India was in the 90s. It was a golden chance for enemies which is gone for good. If it couldn't be broken then, it can't be broken now.

> Kashmir Insurgency was going into full swing
> Punjab hadn't been quelled yet
> India was staring bankruptcy in the face
> Western world still largely supported Pak, and exerted massive pressure on India
> Liberal global ecosystem attacking India over HR in insurgency hit areas + communal issues
> Mandal Issue, and resulting politics
> Babri issue, complete communal divide, severe rioting
> Bombay Blasts
> "Coalition" and "Jod-Tod" politics at its worst with no stable Gvt
> Embargo/sanctions post-nuclear tests

And so on, so forth. If India didn't break back then, who can do anything now?
 
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