India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

[VelociRaptor]

 

[Cheran]

Oh no...I fell to “OSINT” walas again. These people in the name of information warfare are actually doing more damage to our cause. The military must give these guys a thorough spanking.

Again, these OSINT handles are not for giving real time updates to the Indian public. They are for sowing disinformation among the enemy. At times, they might provide some real snippets though.

So, if you are on twitter, follow them but not necessarily fall for them.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Guys, I suggest we stop embedding Twitter posts here by all and sundry who claim dozens of Paki casualties and scores of posts and ammo dumps destroyed as well as India occupying certain features along the LoC and Pakis retreating with their flag held upside down and so on! This isn't just laughable but plain silly.

Unless and until there is confirmation from official handles we need to hold our horses. Let's not lose the credibility of IDF. People come here for authentic info and not the garbage posted on Twitter from every Tom Dick and Harry and keyboard Generals who know squat of the ground situation but indulge in great flights of fantasy.

Sir I agree , with some of your points but many do come here to look up for tweets also.
I don't kNow many places , from where you get official confirmation .
Plus watching news channels reporting the same is like , watching a cow mooing for 2 hours .
Same hum ne dushman ke chakke chuda diye .
That's why people do come here , to look up for information other than news channels but they intend to see the same type of reporting but without a person shouting at their faces .

Plus except that hajipir episode in 2019 , most of the news is quite authentic here .

 

[ArgonPrime]

Giving up Haji Pir or not capturing Bangladesh were political decisions.

Doesn't necessarily mean they were the right ones though. Now, I'm aware of the Akhnur dagger and all but still, in hindsight, they shouldn't have let go of the Haji Pir pass.
Esp capturing Bangladesh is a non starter argument as we only(Gandhi/Nehru gang) accepted partition and gave away Bangladesh as East Pakistan. And the whole war was fought to liberate Bangladeshi Mzlmz, not to rejoin them with India. So there is no question of looking it as a loss, as it was not the objective. Millitarily, it was a win along with the 93,000 soldiers surrendering in front of the World.[/QUOTE]
No one is advocating physical occupation of Bangladesh but rather, turning it into a vassal state that we can control as we please plus gain some concessions around the crucial and vulnerable Siliguri corridor.

Perception wars matter to people who have trust issues with reality. They then look for validation in public perceptions. The whole argument of Moral victory of Congis come from same idea.

Oh really??!! Please inform this to the muricans who lost the perception war to the North Vietnamese despite winning militarily and had to ultimately vacate.

Since we lost the perception battle the next day to Balakot, can the perception be recovered now,

Nope, the damage has been done.

as we have Paki parliamentarians accepting in public that Bajwa s legs were shaking, and if they did not return Abhinandan, India would have hit back with full force. Ex IAF chief also said that all three forces were fully ready, hands on trigger. So shld we believe them or say, oh but we still lost the perception battle.

Irrelevant. The world only cares about what happened (or at least they are made to believe what happened) and not what could happen.

 

[ArgonPrime]

ninda turtle is a good guy , what's wrong with him.

I'm not denying that but he's simply not aggressive enough in my opinion.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

What did we gain to begin with? We had captured Bangladesh and 1/2 of West Pakistan and we gave up all, we gave up our own land after capturing it as Bangladesh and Pakistan all are integral Part of India partitioned by British in 1947.

We didn’t gain anything from those wars so no territorial or psychological gains!

Falcon slayer , mate you think we didn't gain anything form chopping bangistan ?
Imagine some Babur , hatf, gaouri and shit missile pointed at kolkata and vishakhapattanam.
Imagine indian navy to Deal with porks in both the Seas .
Imagine , the ease with which these porkiskatnis would infiltrate terrorist in our country .
I mean not bangladeshiya najmul but real terrorists with guns and bombs and other things which a terrorist carries ( a book ) etc.
Just imagine the nightmare , eastern command of indianarmy facing on eastern fronts .
How much would chungs and porks would have taken to slice up chickens neck .
Although IA might have captured it but would be devastating .

Ok just think , you have another pakistan on India's eastern side .

 

[Cheran]

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

I'm not denying that but he's simply not aggressive enough in my opinion.

I also hold the same oipnion, he is too timid seriously .
Although not bad as anthony or Antony but still not aggressive like shri manohar parrikar

 

[ArgonPrime]

Falcon slayer , mate you think we didn't gain anything form chopping bangistan ?
Imagine some Babur , hatf, gaouri and shit missile pointed at kolkata and vishakhapattanam.
Imagine indian navy to Deal with porks in both the Seas .
Imagine , the ease with which these porkiskatnis would infiltrate terrorist in our country .
I mean not bangladeshiya najmul but real terrorists with guns and bombs and other things which a terrorist carries ( a book ) etc.
Just imagine the nightmare , eastern command of indianarmy facing on eastern fronts .
How much would chungs and porks would have taken to slice up chickens neck .
Although IA might have captured it but would be devastating .

Ok just think , you have another pakistan on India's eastern side .

I think what he meant was we didn't gain enough for all the troubles we had to go through for those lungi walas.

 

[Swiftfarts]

I'm not denying that but he's simply not aggressive enough in my opinion.

it's military , army to be precise who calls the shot at ground level. So where he came into the picture ? on the contrary he has made sure essential military stuff buying from abroad happens at urgent basis, there is a limit what he can do. Just cause he doesn't speak loudly does not mean he is not aggressive.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

I think what he meant was we didn't gain enough for all the troubles we had to go through for those lungi walas.

I think the same actually najmuls got a trouble less freedom .
We should have asked for northenr bangkaDsh .
Atleast some territories near akhura .
To increase our chickens neck into a goat neck

 

[Ayushraj]

Their is also a sad news. 4 soldiers are killed from our side today

 

[Mikesingh]

Sir I agree , with some of your points but many do come here to look up for tweets also.
I don't kNow many places , from where you get official confirmation .
Plus watching news channels reporting the same is like , watching a cow mooing for 2 hours .
Same hum ne dushman ke chakke chuda diye .
That's why people do come here , to look up for information other than news channels but they intend to see the same type of reporting but without a person shouting at their faces .

Plus except that hajipir episode in 2019 , most of the news is quite authentic here .

I agree it's difficult to sift the wheat from the chaff in today's media overload. But here's an official handle that should be quoted instead of some vague unknown entity tweeting for cheap thrills.

 

[ArgonPrime]

it's military , army to be precise who calls the shot at ground level. So where he came into the picture ?

No, it does not, not while it's something as drastic as physically altering the orientation of the LoC!! It's not the same as executing a cross-border raid. Without the mandate from the GoI, even the CDS wouldn't be able to do that, forget about any local commanders.

on the contrary he has made sure essential military stuff buying from abroad happens at urgent basis, there is a limit what he can do.

Again, who's denying that??!! He's miles ahead of that piss-ant Anthony but that's a different thing altogether.

Just cause he doesn't speak loudly does not mean he is not aggressive.

It's not about just speaking loudly or energetically (although that wouldn't hurt in this case) but about the actions he does or does not take. And so far, I've seen nothing to get myself all riled up.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

I agree it's difficult to sift the wheat from the chaff in today's media overload. But here's an official handle that should be quoted instead of some vague unknown entity tweeting for cheap thrills.

Thanks sirji , I really like that we do have something official instead of dr apr , mata kheer bhawani , hellfire .

 

[ArgonPrime]

Complete transparency isn't necessary. We need to disclose numbers and names.

That much is enough and that's what I was advocating for whereas @Swift was asking about complete nondisclosure of casualty figures, which I couldn't agree with.

That is all. Cause is either combat or non combat. Tell their families exactly what happened and to exercise discretion on whether to share it with the people or not. Leave out all unnecessary details. Even from gallantry citations. Reveal name of only posthumous ones. Reveal names of rest of the awardees after they retire from service. Sector, time, date, exact circumstances, etc. are not needed.

Agree wholeheartedly.

There are names of SOF personnel on gallantry awards website. And even their activities. Within valley is okay to an extent, but why do people need to know what is happening across LoC? It compromises opsec of the army..

Yeah, pretty lame if you ask me.

 

[Mikel]

Their is also a sad news. 4 soldiers are killed from our side today

This is war. There will always be casualties unfortunately.

 

[aarav]

Modi tweet about soldiers & around 5 videos being made public & the deliberate provocation on eve of diwali,Pakis will have much more bitter pill to swallow in coming days,infantry action on LoC & annexing kishanganga valley is need of the hour

 

[shade]

This is war. There will always be casualties unfortunately.

This is roz ka at LoC : Diwali Special.

If it was war you’d have Dimmy,Pajwa and Cuckreshi on the first flight to Beijing to beg chowmein bhaijaan to stop IA from taking Pindi and IN from destroying Karachi ports and nearby areas

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Modi tweet about soldiers & around 5 videos being made public & the deliberate provocation on eve of diwali,Pakis will have much more bitter pill of swallow in coming days,infantry action on LoC & annexing kishanganga valley is need of the hour

Vidhwansh of pakstan by bharat is the ultimate goal , for now krishn ganga will do .