India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[SavageKing456]

Are we supposed to conclude from this incident their Chinese import air defense system HQ9 failed to detect the missile or did they intentionally decided not to engage? If I am right they only got one consignment of HQ9. In media reports they said they placed near Karachi to protect their valuable port. We don't know they are true or not. But I have a feeling they would have placed it near LoC. What could possibly be the reason they did not engage if they saw the threat? Perhaps they were confused?

Well they did not shot down intentionally is not possible since they did not know whether missle has warhead or not.
In this case any country would simply bring down the missle by AD,not worth taking the risk

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Kashmiri Hindu?

Yes @FalconSlayers is direct descendant from Dogras the original habitants of Kashmir.

There is irrefutable archaeological evidence to establish the Hindu BHARAT's Ownership of Kashmir 4th ad.

Devi Lakshmi of wealth and prosperity Devta Skanda the son of SHIVA the destroyer

Vajrin Indra the freer of cows Bhagvaan Vishnu the administrator of Prakriti

 

[not so dravidian]

Pak NSA told the truth I think, these anonymous sources are attempts to regain some pride and pacify their domestic audience- yes we knew they were there and were asked to stand down otherwise we’d have shot it down obviously, is the message but they’ve lost control of the narrative by opening their mouths so early and flapping.

almost all the sane/nationalists pakis I see don’t even really care about the Indian story, they are beyond dismayed at the Pakistani response or lack of one I should say. THIS is why there’s going to be a lot of obfuscation over the coming days as they realise this makes them look inept

First it was the US now india is pushing them around and invading their airspace almost at will

This will be my last take on this.
I believe This is a clear message to pak.

Maintenance is pure BS.
Seperation of warhead itself is a complex process and
Bhramos is a canisterized missile. How cud they do it in Sirsa base when only bhramos facility is in Hyderabad???

Or some serious error in OBC,

Maybe seasoned members can provide an alternative.
@Chinmoy @mist_consecutive

 

[SavageKing456]

Mention hai I think

Shiva is an attribute to the god rudra as auspiciousness does not mean that shiva is not mentioned in RV.

 

[XR SAM]

Our Submarines violated their area, why don't we send a Sukhoi package towards LoC, penetrate 5-10 km and come back quickly? We will give excuse like "andhera tha loc dikhai nahi diya", it will make them shut down airspace and force PAF to do 24/7 patrol which will waste their fuel, bleed them economically and we may see some Chinese junks crashes due to overuse. Why do we give them breathing space everytime? Keep them in punishment mode all the time, keep showing them their real aukaat.

 

[indiatester]

The Pak NSA said india only contacted them 2 days later

If we follow the control path here, Indians have it.

Be it an accident or deliberate, all the data is in the hands of command chain and no one else.

Pakis by these press conferences, tweets and other means are only trying to get more information by forcing Indian's hand. The response by MoD was crafted to provide very little information. They didn't even say it was Brahmos!

The cold hand being played by India is causing some folks in paki land to think that there was a motive.

There are these observations of mine
1) Surgical Strikes
2) Balakot Airstrikes
3) Assassins taking out one of the IC-814 hijackers
4) Brahmos missile strike.

Its like all the ways to punish an adversary are being validated.

Another point to note is that this govt and the forces under it are no longer giving any value to the back channels, media etc which gave pakis some influence and advance warning of the thought process in New Delhi forcing them to become more cautious and a bit more respectful!

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Shiva is an attribute to the god rudra as auspiciousness does not mean that shiva is not mentioned in RV.

Rishis of the Vedas were very explicit about the appearance of Rudra and the commonality with that of Shiva. While the first declaration to Rudra is seen in the Rig Veda the Saṃhitas of Atharva and Kṛiṣhṇa Yajur Veda give utmost detail on his features and nature. नीलकण्ठ/नीलग्रीव/शितिकण्ठ attributes of Shiva comes from Taitreya Samhita Krishna Yajur Veda. Basically same Devta assigned different names as the time went on which is natural. Change is natural afterall.

Lets stick back onto topic.

 

[lcafanboy]

Indian admission of Brahmos cock up does not say "No warhead". Eyewitness accounts and images suggest that there was a huge explosion, not just hole in ground. But Pak says no warhead. What gives? Besides does India store Brahmos in launchable state without warhead?...

 

[lcafanboy]

 

[Jimih]

Back to medieval age.

How many Pakistanis were there in it?

 

[not so dravidian]

Om Shanti

 

[Jimih]

This will be my last take on this.
I believe This is a clear message to pak.

Maintenance is pure BS.

 

[jackprince]

They might not get the software, circuit board, but they might definitely get the materials & composite which our missile is made up of!! . They too have missiles and R&D going on, they just need some good lead to catch up with us. If it was Brahmos, the Chinese will use it in their chaoxun-1 (cx-1) development. Just like how PLA upgraded their Z-20 with Black hawk downed in Pakistan.

You think reverse engineering metallurgy and composite material is that easy?

The Brahmos itself is based on P-800 Oniks btw. Given the rapid development of Chinese missile tech was due to its poaching scientists and technology from USSR or rather former USSR after collapse of it. China already has the data regarding metallurgy and others of Oniks and therefore much of Brahmos. Also, there have been a data breach in 2018 where a mofos sold sensitive data to ISI. So, these are not sensitive info.

The main thing about a CM is its engine, propellant, sensors and guidance systems which becomes irretrievable if the warhead goes off and even if it doesn't, a supersonic CM crashing would most likely make the components hard, if not impossible, to retrieve. there is always a chance that luck would have that a component would detach from the CM and fall on softer surface to absorb the impact, though how likely is that?

 

[DEV1729]

You think reverse engineering metallurgy and composite material is that easy?

The Brahmos itself is based on P-800 Oniks btw. Given the rapid development of Chinese missile tech was due to its poaching scientists and technology from USSR or rather former USSR after collapse of it. China already has the data regarding metallurgy and others of Oniks and therefore much of Brahmos. Also, there have been a data breach in 2018 where a mofos sold sensitive data to ISI. So, these are not sensitive info.

The main thing about a CM is its engine, propellant, sensors and guidance systems which becomes irretrievable if the warhead goes off and even if it doesn't, a supersonic CM crashing would most likely make the components hard, if not impossible, to retrieve. there is always a chance that luck would have that a component would detach from the CM and fall on softer surface to absorb the impact, though how likely is that?

Can we do it now poaching Russian scientist as they are getting slammed all over the world and retain them in universities

 

[THESIS THORON]

Can we do it now poaching Russian scientist as they are getting slammed all over the world and retain them in universities

we are good booi

 

[Op Kahuta]

If we follow the control path here, Indians have it.

Be it an accident or deliberate, all the data is in the hands of command chain and no one else.

Pakis by these press conferences, tweets and other means are only trying to get more information by forcing Indian's hand. The response by MoD was crafted to provide very little information. They didn't even say it was Brahmos!

The cold hand being played by India is causing some folks in paki land to think that there was a motive.

There are these observations of mine
1) Surgical Strikes
2) Balakot Airstrikes
3) Assassins taking out one of the IC-814 hijackers
4) Brahmos missile strike.

Its like all the ways to punish an adversary are being validated.

Another point to note is that this govt and the forces under it are no longer giving any value to the back channels, media etc which gave pakis some influence and advance warning of the thought process in New Delhi forcing them to become more cautious and a bit more respectful!

Leave mentioning Brahmos, our MOD in its statement didn't even mention that the missile was unarmed unlike claimed by inbreds

 

[ezsasa]

Indian admission of Brahmos cock up does not say "No warhead". Eyewitness accounts and images suggest that there was a huge explosion, not just hole in ground. But Pak says no warhead. What gives? Besides does India store Brahmos in launchable state without warhead?...

the crater was 3-4 feet deep in immediate aftermath videos and pic, the one that shiv is using is after pak army handed over the site back to locals, they filled it up. so no air burst.

 

[Op Kahuta]

the crater was 3-4 feet deep in immediate aftermath videos and pic, the one that shiv is using is after pak army handed over the site back to locals, they filled it up. so no air burst.

What does an air burst indicate, was there a warhead?

 

[Jimih]

Leave mentioning Brahmos, our MOD in its statement didn't even mention that the missile was unarmed unlike claimed by inbreds

Yes, can kinetic energy do this?

 

[ClawReed787]

the crater was 3-4 feet deep in immediate aftermath videos and pic, the one that shiv is using is after pak army handed over the site back to locals, they filled it up. so no air burst.

Doesn't look that deep. Doesn't look like a direct impact at mach 3.