India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

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Ya'll Nibbiars We Indians just did the litmus test. Like we did before 27 February. They Check the Paki Mullahs capability to counter attack or neutralise the missile in the air. And 3 mintes In Pakistan's air space. What the PAF air force did?. What if this missile carries a warhead.
 

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This is the major reason why Indian armed forces are short of officers. India is not Pakshitstan where the army is the only decent employer. There are several high profile local and foreign companies here. And they pay well and the talent goes to them. Ultimately Indian armed forces are getting staffed with more and more inferior talent.
I am sorry, but I could not disagree with you more. Indian army may be facing the shortage in "Officer" ranks but no way the Indian Army is down-scaling the selection criteria. Also, the army of today is no more the army of 80s/90s. Today the pay scale almost rivals private corporate sector and all ranks get double pay, when deployed in border/disturbed areas. Also the early retirement and re-employment coupled with post-retirement pension is enough to attract thousands over thousands of prospective candidates to Army's recruitment exams, every year and year after year. Private companies maybe the giving high salaries but its the job guarantee and work life balance (something that everyone aspires) that they cannot give. The February 27th response was no way poor and shooting down of own helicopter, as much as it was unfortunate and the CDS death, these things happen. Of course, there are problems with the Indian defense forces but it is not something unique to Indian forces, each and every country's armed forces grapple with issues, be it technical or personnel.
 

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Some historical context:

Ever since 9/11, Pakis have been continuously blackmailing West that an inherent unstable Pakistan is not in the interests of the world, nukes could fall in hand of Islamic terrorists. They have been bluffing since 2001 and as late as 2017.


So after every attack on Indian soil under UPA, India was expected to be the good boy and ignore Pakis mistakes like a big brother. This went on and Pakis could get away with lot of shit as Paki was madman.

Now, Enter Modi and he became a madman with surgical strikes and Balakot bombings he proved he is the madman and Pakis are the ones who have to ignore Indias mistakes.

Like India and Pakistan swapped their positions.


So the Pakis moved into the rational quadrant and India went into the unpredictable madman quadrant.

The Brahmos event is just the continuation of it.
 

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Food for thought:


1) India "accidently" fires a cruise missile and 'kill-switch' not being deployed mid-air.

2) India "accidently" fires a cruise missile and it reaches Pakistan. CMs are not guns that misfires. There has to be input for target and trajectory before the missile gets launched. That means operator punches in the system the coordinates for Pakistan?

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3) India "accidently" fires a cruise missile that falls in that village where India's 'most wanted' has properties.


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4) India "accidently" fires a cruise missile that falls just between two Pakistani Airforce Bases.

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5) India "accidently" fires a cruise missile on the eve of Assembly Elections results day that lands in Pakistan.

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I am sorry, but I could not disagree with you more. Indian army may be facing the shortage in "Officer" ranks but no way the Indian Army is down-scaling the selection criteria. Also, the army of today is no more the army of 80s/90s. Today the pay scale almost rivals private corporate sector and all ranks get double pay, when deployed in border/disturbed areas. Also the early retirement and re-employment coupled with post-retirement pension is enough to attract thousands over thousands of prospective candidates to Army's recruitment exams, every year and year after year. Private companies maybe the giving high salaries but its the job guarantee and work life balance (something that everyone aspires) that they cannot give. The February 27th response was no way poor and shooting down of own helicopter, as much as it was unfortunate and the CDS death, these things happen. Of course, there are problems with the Indian defense forces but it is not something unique to Indian forces, each and every country's armed forces grapple with issues, be it technical or personnel.
If these things are truly happening and the armed forces are responding to the challenges from the private sector, that is very good news. But why the massive vacancies in officer class though? That affects day to day operations. it is undeniable that our peace time accidents, fratricide, taking safety for granted, not being serious about deterring pork army, bad PR setup etc are maligning our armed forces in front of our people. Why do this to ourselves?:shock::confused1::shock::confused1:
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars thats the story line of one film where some western mad men's try to insite conflict so the western world could be at peaces.
On a different track.
Will this be a good time for India to carry out an thermonuclear bomb(hydrogen bomb) test, an large yield 1 Megaton test at Pokhran. The missing link in our nuclear arsenal. I believe we must be having 200 kiloton hydrogen bombs already. Should be scaled up to 1 Megaton. The design must have already been done. So probably can be ready in a couple of weeks. Thinking very positive.
Badly needed to send an signal to the Chinese.

The timing may be appropriate.
Europe is in turmoil and Washington has its hands full in dealing with the Ukraine situation. Expect the US to remain busy on Ukraine at least for a couple of weeks till Russia brings about a change of Government there and establishes reasonable control over the country.

The Pakis are in dire straits economically and may not respond to the Indian test. For fear of new sanctions. (maybe excessively optimistic view).

I think Washington will think twice before sanctioning India. They need India 's support to counter an China - Russia (an Russia stronger after establishing control over Ukraine) axis. Of course India will never go against Russian interests but can rally with the US against China.

And many reports state that North Korea is again preparing to test. So World attention will be diverted.

Will the Buddha smile again in Pokhran?.
 

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On a different track.
Will this be a good time for India to carry out an thermonuclear bomb(hydrogen bomb) test, an large yield 1 Megaton test at Pokhran. The missing link in our nuclear arsenal. I believe we must be having 200 kiloton hydrogen bombs already. Should be scaled up to 1 Megaton. The design must have already been done. So probably can be ready in a couple of weeks. Thinking very positive.
Badly needed to send an signal to the Chinese.

The timing may be appropriate.
Europe is in turmoil and Washington has its hands full in dealing with the Ukraine situation. Expect the US to remain busy on Ukraine at least for a couple of weeks till Russia brings about a change of Government there and establishes reasonable control over the country.

The Pakis are in dire straits economically and may not respond to the Indian test. For fear of new sanctions. (maybe excessively optimistic view).

I think Washington will think twice before sanctioning India. They need India 's support to counter an China - Russia (an Russia stronger after establishing control over Ukraine) axis. Of course India will never go against Russian interests but can rally with the US against China.

And many reports state that North Korea is again preparing to test. So World attention will be diverted.

Will the Buddha smile again in Pokhran?.
Ya'll Nibbiars

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Ya'll Nibbiars literally Imran khan ki Pakistan ko unki aukat dekha dena, Paki Mullahs ko zindagi ka sahi Matlab sikha dena.
As much as this little "malfunction" is commendable I don't think inbreds have still learnt what their aukaat truly is. Or maybe they don't want to cuz that will actually create a huge identity crises in these mc they won't be able to cope. It's like when something bad happens and it will disturb you so much even thinking about it, you try to not think about that bad thing but only the good thing so that you can feel better about yourself and not go into a depression. The inbreds in terroristan don't feel shame even after repeatedly getting pounded by us in military conflicts. The only thing that will remotely shatter their ego will be us retaking pok but who knows after that also they will be harping on "tea is fantasting" and "paf radar intercepted your missile".
It's tough for anyone to get someone out when they have decided to stay in their own bubble forever.
 

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Food for thought:


1) India "accidently" fires a cruise missile and 'kill-switch' not being deployed mid-air.

2) India "accidently" fires a cruise missile and it reaches Pakistan. CMs are not guns that misfires. There has to be input for target and trajectory before the missile gets launched. That means operator punches in the system the coordinates for Pakistan?

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3) India "accidently" fires a cruise missile that falls in that village where India's 'most wanted' has properties.


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4) India "accidently" fires a cruise missile that falls just between two Pakistani Airforce Bases.

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5) India "accidently" fires a cruise missile on the eve of Assembly Elections results day that lands in Pakistan.

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While 1,2 and 3 are good questions, 4 and 5 are not. Elections happen all the time in India and paki land is so small width wise that you fire anything anywhere there is some defense facility. This is why they wanted strategic depth because India can use howitzers to target almost all their bases and cities.
‘One major reason you left out: did some patriotic officers got tired of the Porki bullshit, went rogue and deliberately did this? Such things have happened. This is why missile launch codes are kept secret and locations must be deliberately typed in and signed off by multiple officers.
 

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Woah hold you horses boy if this is an accident or technical malfunction (that's a big if) don't you think it raises the question about the credibility of our missiles and our sop's missile test failures is one thing a missile that flies to enemy territory due to technical glitch is a whole new different thing a matter and a matter of concern and you comparing this loc activity is pretty silly terrain is difficult there or else India would have fenced the entire loc by now
Kiska sharam hai tujko...when pakistanis send terrorists and kill our soldiers tab tuje sharam aati hai...aaaj ek missile jaake pakistan main kya gira tuje sharam aagai....Tere bhai behen lagte hai kya itna sharam aane ke liye....DFI hai isliye izzat se chod raha hu.....
 

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But why the massive vacancies in officer class though?
There are multitude of reasons. Not every talented youngster is seeking employment in the defense forces even for a promise of adventurous life, great pay and post-retirement pension and wants a nine to five job and somewhat a comfortable life, where one could be back with his family at the end of the day.


A lot of people still think army life is dangerous and they don't want to take any chances. The shortage of officers is telling of how difficult the selection criteria and despite the shortage the army is not downgrading the standards.

India’s economic success is also causing headaches for the defense forces.
This a good point you have made. Even the engineering and research and development field are suffering as most of the graduates from IIT/MNR etc are opting for MBA after getting their degrees in engineering. Most the MNCs, especially the ones in finances, lap up these candidates and offer them packages that cannot be rivaled and we are talking about remuneration running into crores!
 

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