India likely to acquire Tu-22M3 Supersonic Bombers

[tharun]

You are thinking about a sneak attack, right?

Sort off and every thing is upto your imagination....

 

[kstriya]

The question is: Why do we need bombers? How is the PAK-DA or TU-22 going to fit into our strategic equations?

With the advent of Rockets and precision guided missiles, the importance of Fighter-Bombers have gone down. Who requires a bomber when we have missiles traveling at supersonic speeds and can target even a window of a room at a predefined angle to attain the best DE(Damage Expectancy). Moreover we have MRCAs which have replaced the bombers.

It can be used as a bomb truck to deliver ALCM for precision strike, we might not have need for a bomber in the current strategic plan but as our influence grows we may need one but we need to plan for fuyure. The Chinese have bombers in their fleet. We can have PAK DA's with SFC instead of Su 30 MKI. It will be useful to take the war to China's mainland incase of a conflict. We can flyover the seas to give them some taste of Bhramos.

 

[Jangaruda]

Hope we go in for PAK DA for long range bomber under make in INDIA.

True bt the development of Pak DA bomber is very far bro....

 

[Jangaruda]

How about the Akula ??talks have been going on for a long time but nothing has come off ii....

 

[hardip]

if news is right..
this is great step by Mr.Manohar Parikar..

But.. 12 S400 ok
4 tu-22 m3 may be ok..
but.. Akula-2 nd 1000 t90?

I think we should think..about future...
this last two r on running technology..

after 4-8 year..when order complete at that time

akula2 nd t90 is maybe old technology...

we should think about..akula3 nd also increase 6 number minimum.. (need to buy not take on lease)
think about armata.. tank.. also..have to look for.. armata other platforms too..

India travel to take quick decision.. nd eye on powerful indian Air Force Navy Nd Ground force..

 

[kstriya]

True bt the development of Pak DA bomber is very far bro....

We need to invest in future, may be we can buy few TU22M3 and later get PAK DA for SFC's.

 

[Jangaruda]

if news is right..
this is great step by Mr.Manohar Parikar..

But.. 12 S400 ok
4 tu-22 m3 may be ok..
but.. Akula-2 nd 1000 t90?

I think we should think..about future...
this last two r on running technology..

after 4-8 year..when order complete at that time

akula2 nd t90 is maybe old technology...

we should think about..akula3 nd also increase 6 number minimum.. (need to buy not take on lease)
think about armata.. tank.. also..have to look for.. armata other platforms too..

India travel to take quick decision.. nd eye on powerful indian Air Force Navy Nd Ground force..

The GOI knws this bro so only we are leasing the Akula subs not buying them...

 

[AnantS]

The GOI knws this bro so only we are leasing the Akula subs not buying them...

To excuse itself from the job of dismantling/refitting Submarine after its Lease (life) is over. So maybe that is why lease is preferred over buying

 

[bengalraider]

1) Why 12 S400s?
well because combined with the SPYDER,BARAK 8,AKASH & older upgraded SAMs it'll make our airspace as impregnable to Chinese/Pakistani Aircraft & CMs as we could hope for.
It'll render the PAF obsolete in the entire east of the Indus and let us kill PAF aircraft as they take off from Karachi, Hyderabad, Sargodha, Peshawar, Islamabad & Rawalpindi airbases.
It'll severlty impact PLAAF operations from Lhasa & adjoining areas as well.

2)Why 4 Tu-22M3
These will work as a long range maritime strike aircraft letting us hit CBGs entering the IOR Fast & Hard.Alternatively they can form the base of a Long range Nuclear strike squadron under the SFC.

3)Why 2 more Akula?
Our own SSN program is running on schedule with the first boat ostentibly scheduled to enter service in 2030. Arihant & her sisters will need escorts in the interim the Three Akulas will fill that gap.

4)Why 1000 more T-90
AFAIK these will be the T-90MS version the latest T-90 version out there, we need more tanks to arm our IBGs these will fil some of that gap.

 

[Rushil51]

4)Why 1000 more T-90
AFAIK these will be the T-90MS version the latest T-90 version out there, we need more tanks to arm our IBGs these will fil some of that gap.

1000 T-90s is an overestimated figure in my opinion . I would be rather disappointed if buy that much T-90s and let Arjun be stuck at approx. 300. What happened to that CLGM test that was supposed to decide the fate of Arjun MK2?

 

[Rizvi Khan]

I think buying t-90 is wise but 1000 of them is too much I guess another 500 is fine that too in the latest configuration.

 

[Rushil51]

http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/vzaimo...na_kupit_v_rossii_bombardirovshchiki_tu_22m3/

This article seems to be the original source. There is also a mention of 80 MI-17s and some IL-76s

@gadeshi is this source reliable, mate? What is your opinion on this recent news? Any truth in there (specially regarding the TU22M3s) or should we take with a pinch of salt?

 

[Rushil51]

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[HariPrasad-1]

So which T 90 India is buying when T 90 indigenization reached at 80 % while most of the subsystem are locally sourced including the Main Gun at OFB Kanpur.

I think it is new version which has a very powerful armor and it can withstand against any round hit from closed range.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

3)Why 2 more Akula?
Our own SSN program is running on schedule with the first boat ostentibly scheduled to enter service in 2030. Arihant & her sisters will need escorts in the interim the Three Akulas will fill that gap.

May be ours are not as potent as akula. Akula has a great speed and they can chase anything in ocean.Most important of all is that they are much cheaper than even whatever we can produce in india.

 

[Bornubus]

I think it is new version which has a very powerful armor and it can withstand against any round hit from closed range.

Even the Bhishma made at Avadi withstand most of the round including depleted Uranium Ammo.

 

[bengalraider]

1000 T-90s is an overestimated figure in my opinion . I would be rather disappointed if buy that much T-90s and let Arjun be stuck at approx. 300. What happened to that CLGM test that was supposed to decide the fate of Arjun MK2?

We had committed to 2500 T-90S Long ago, the tank force planned is 2500 T-72+ 2500- T-90+ 124 Arjun Mk1 + 124 Arjun Mk2+ assorted T55. What this deal does is merely formalize the 2nd tranche of T-90.

 

[bengalraider]

May be ours are not as potent as akula. Akula has a great speed and they can chase anything in ocean.Most important of all is that they are much cheaper than even whatever we can produce in india.

Ours are not even designed yet, whatever you've said is irrelevant at this stage.

 

[Jangaruda]

Also the Akula is an attack sub whereas our Arihant is ballistic missile sub..

 

[Rahul Singh]

I wonder when is this import frenzy going to stop, if ever.

Here we talk about S-400. My question is why can not AAD and Swordfish be developed into a S-400 kind of system? What is there besides long range anti air missile and a long range multi mode radar that a S-400 kind of system has? With dedicated military satellites in place, some spy satellites in orbit as well what section of building block that we are lacking? Considering any purchase in India takes its own fatty time, sometimes as much as a development period, isn' t it more logical for us to go for our own version of S-400 instead of buying it at hefty price while negotiating it over atleast half a decade?

T-90 purchase does not even qualifies for above explanation. It is outright criminal to buy T-90 or any MBT of this class when we have a ready MBT claimed as superior to T-90 and also all the prerequisits to develop a T-90 class MBT if necessary.

T-22M will be an interesting purchase. But a MKI with mid air refueling can very much do same job. To me submarines are more suitable for sneak attacks on China's east coast than a dedicated missile carrier in air. But still it will a good addition.

Akulas should be welcomed whole heartedly. They are needed as our own SSNs will take a decade or so to start arriving.