India-China Border conflict

[Indx TechStyle]

Army’s first LCH squadron moves to Missamari in Assam
The squadron with five LCH will be operational by January-end, sources say

Representational file image. | Photo Credit: PTI

The Army has moved its first Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) squadron to Missamari, Assam, in the eastern sector near the Line of Actual Control (LAC). The LCH, India’s first indigenously designed and developed attack helicopter, is also the first dedicated attack helicopter operated by the Army.

“Two helicopters have moved there on November 1. The third helicopter will move by November-end and fourth by mid-December. Army will receive the 5 th LCH by January-end. The squadron will be fully operational by then,” a defence source told The Hindu. The Air Force raised its first LCH squadron at Jodhpur in October.

The Army raised the 351 Army Aviation Squadron to operate the LCH on June 1, 2022 at Bengaluru and received the first LCH end-September. The shortest aerial distance of the LAC from Missamari is around 250 km.

The Army LCH will be armed with 20 mm nose gun, 70 mm rockets, helicopter-launched anti-tank guided missile and a new air-to-air missile different from the ‘Mistral-2’ from MBDA on the IAF LCH. However, as of now, both the missiles are yet to be deployed on the LCH. The Army plans to embed attack helicopters with all pivot formations to provide them with close anti-armour support.

The twin-engine LCH designed and developed by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is a 5-8 tonne class dedicated combat helicopter conceptualised after the 1999 Kargil conflict. The helicopter has a combat radius of 500 km and a service ceiling of 21,000 feet which makes it ideal to operate at high-altitude areas including Siachen glacier.

In March 2020, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) approved procurement of 15 Limited Series Production (LSP) variants of LCH at the cost of ₹3,887 crore along with infrastructure sanctions worth ₹377 crore. Of the 15 helicopters, 10 are for IAF and five for the Army.

Eventually, the Army is looking for another 95 LCH and the IAF another 65 of them. However, the contract is yet to be worked out and their induction is spread over the next 10-15 years, officials said. As reported earlier, the Army plans to eventually deploy 70 of its LCH in the mountains.

Army Aviation has three brigades at Leh, Missamari and Jodhpur operating around 145 indigenous Advanced Light Helicopters (ALH), 75 of which are the Rudra weaponised variants, and around 190 ageing Cheetah, Chetak and Cheetal helicopters. Another 25 ALH Mk-III are on order which will be inducted within two years. The Army will also start receiving the Apache attack helicopters in early 2024, six of which have been contracted under an estimated $800 million deal from Boeing in February 2020. In addition, the Army is also pushing a case for 11 more Apaches for which negotiations are under way.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

 

[another_armchair]

Army’s first LCH squadron moves to Missamari in Assam
The squadron with five LCH will be operational by January-end, sources say

Representational file image. | Photo Credit: PTI

Any ATGM integrated with LCH yet?

There was talk of Spike NLOS being integrated with LCH till an indigenous system was ready.

 

[Angel of War]

Any ATGM integrated with LCH yet?

There was talk of Spike NLOS being integrated with LCH till an indigenous system was ready.

I guess that was for the Mi17V5 fleet.

 

[The Shrike]

Nope nope, I think this is to protect from loitering munitions/drone-dropped grenades.

I'd guess its to protect from rockfalls, those habitations are right next to the mountain side - which are still quite unstable AFAIK, there was a video of an incident posted an year or two back from the same year, looked quite scary.

 

[Angel of War]

Inspired by the heros of China-India border clash, girl quit college and joins PLA and becomes female PLA boxing champion

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

Inspired by the heros of China-India border clash, girl quit college and joins PLA and becomes female PLA boxing champion

So, she identifies herself as Boxer.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Any ATGM integrated with LCH yet?

There was talk of Spike NLOS being integrated with LCH till an indigenous system was ready.

Not yet AFAIK. Though ATGM integration with these units soon is likely if they are being deployed near LAC.

The Army LCH will be armed with 20 mm nose gun, 70 mm rockets, helicopter-launched anti-tank guided missile and a new air-to-air missile different from the ‘Mistral-2’ from MBDA on the IAF LCH. However, as of now, both the missiles are yet to be deployed on the LCH. The Army plans to embed attack helicopters with all pivot formations to provide them with close anti-armour support.

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

Not yet AFAIK. Though ATGM integration with these units soon is likely if they are being deployed near LAC.

Anti Armour is priority - 1. AA missile should be priority -2.

 

[vidhwanshak]

Inspired by the heros of China-India border clash, girl quit college and joins PLA and becomes female PLA boxing champion

her hero:

 

[jai jaganath]

I guess that was for the Mi17V5 fleet.

I don't think lch is of any use as it doesn't have and protection suite nor atgms

 

[The Shrike]

Inspired by the heros of China-India border clash, girl quit college and joins PLA and becomes female PLA boxing champion

Gol gappas will be served with pleasure .

 

[DumbPilot]

Betrayed by the people at the top. To quote a movie: "Our flag does not fly because the wind moves it. It flies with the breath of each soldier that died protecting it."

Let's hope anything like the 1962 disaster never happens again

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Betrayed by the people at the top. To quote a movie: "Our flag does not fly because the wind moves it. It flies with the breath of each soldier that died protecting it."

Let's hope anything like the 1962 disaster never happens again

This noob called nehru had made it clear that it had no concern with Tibet even though China entered Lhasa as well on Oct 1951.

Then this former burmese leader whose name was "ba swe". He warned the nehru to be cautious.

 

[jai jaganath]

Betrayed by the people at the top. To quote a movie: "Our flag does not fly because the wind moves it. It flies with the breath of each soldier that died protecting it."

Let's hope anything like the 1962 disaster never happens again

Nothing is certain
Anything can happen better than 62 or worse than it
It depends on generals who have been deep into ci/ct ops for long
Moreover it's about intent and competency and both are not giving a positive outlook wrt us

 

[DumbPilot]

This noob called nehru had made it clear that it had no concern with Tibet even though China entered Lhasa as well on Oct 1951.

View attachment 183114

Then this former burmese leader whose name was "ba swe". He warned the nehru to be cautious.

View attachment 183115

Yeah it was a MASSIVE(more than 10 years in the making) political failure that eventually caused a massive military failure. Kaul, Menon, Nehru.. all of them ignored warnings by people like Thimayya etc., and in the name of "Hindi-Chini bhai bhai", put an axe on their own country

 

[DumbPilot]

Yeah it was a MASSIVE(more than 10 years in the making) political failure that eventually caused a massive military failure. Kaul, Menon, Nehru.. all of them ignored warnings by people like Thimayya etc., and in the name of "Hindi-Chini bhai bhai", put an axe on their own country

3 days of the Indian welcome at Nathu-La and Cho-La faced by the Chinese in 1967 made them shut the fuck up for like 30 years like the rats their military and civilian admin were. One soldier from our side sent 300+ of their soldiers to heaven. Imagine what an actually competent(from the top) Indian military of 1962 would have done to the Chinese.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Yeah it was a MASSIVE(more than 10 years in the making) political failure that eventually caused a massive military failure. Kaul, Menon, Nehru.. all of them ignored warnings by people like Thimayya etc., and in the name of "Hindi-Chini bhai bhai", put an axe on their own country

Hindi-chini bhaibhai joke was built on his this mental retardation.

 

[DumbPilot]

Hindi-chini bhaibhai joke was built on his this mental retardation.

View attachment 183116

I think the Panchsheel would have worked out if the Chinese weren't such backstabbers. Tibet would have been an amazing buffer zone in between us. Though obviously signing it after they took Tibet was useless.

Even if they took Tibet, we had thousands of war hardened soldiers in the 50s who would have made cheese crackers of their soldiers had our foreign policy not been for just internal politics. Makes you realize why leaving everything to just one man normally fucks everything up.

 

[mokoman]

I think the Panchsheel would have worked out if the Chinese weren't such backstabbers. Tibet would have been an amazing buffer zone in between us.

Even if they took Tibet, we had thousands of war hardened soldiers in the 50s who would have made cheese crackers of their soldiers had our foreign policy not been for just internal politics. Makes you realize why leaving everything to just one man normally fucks everything up.

we had better army/air force/economy in 80s , we cant even take back aksai chin - geography is heavily in their favour . turning Tibet into a buffer zone and China accepting it is impossible .

not just nehru+aksai chin , similar thing is gonna happen in AP , modiji had 8 years to build roads / forward posts but everything is moving at snail pace - he gonna have to make hard choices in 1 or 2 years when chinese start salami slicing there too , its gonna be 'kohi nahi gussha' or war .