India-China Border conflict

[Abdus Salem killed]

@mokoman anything new happening don't want to read the walls of the text by you know who

 

[ClawReed787]

May be govt wants to deescalate rather then engaging in social media fights . From various accounts we know soldiers did their job . And i am ok with that fact .

Govt should let go of this mindset. It's quite pathetic. Looks like they love to be humiliated by the enemy. Hope it's not a trend.

 

[Butter Chicken]

Chinese backdoor exploited by hackers

 

[Jimih]

Chinese backdoor exploited by hackers

HikVision was always a threat.

Even American politicians are dumb and compromised like our one's.

 

[mokoman]

@mokoman anything new happening don't want to read the walls of the text by you know who

nothing new happening .

 

[vidhwanshak]

Honestly I don't think we have any footage in the first place.

Most of the videos we took around those areas were leaked at certain intervals eventually.

no,
post fight stage photos must be there. Exchanging dead and POWs

 

[omaebakabaka]

no,
post fight stage photos must be there. Exchanging dead and POWs

Never play the game per enemy's rules nor the time frame. We should not release photos or videos and do so only when the enemy is at most vulnerable stage to give it a fatal blow like XI under pressure of coup or something like that.

 

[vidhwanshak]

Never play the game per enemy's rules nor the time frame. We should not release photos or videos and do so only when the enemy is at most vulnerable stage to give it a fatal blow like XI under pressure of coup or something like that.

photos will eventually come out just like op ginger op apache

 

[AnantS]

BTW, we don't quite care your nation has natural disaster or how it damage your gDP, even i believe there are many.

Yeah as if your nation was not gloating over Covid deaths in our country. Its another matter your country started to reel under another XI flu wave soon after.

 

[maximus777]

Wtf is that at 0:19sec mark?

Invention from "Q" copied from James Bond movies.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

 

[armortec]

Latest updates from Weibo, for Depsang Bulge, by Google translate:


1、 Traffic
This is the main battlefield of the Sino Indian struggle in the aksaichin section. Because the dapsang plain is divided into two parts by the border line, neither side can easily threaten the other side, but this is based on logistical support.
Our army set up a point here earlier than the Indian army, and the roads vertically extending from the 209 National Highway provided nutrients for the Shenxian Bay and the astronomical point respectively.
The Indian army is constrained by the high Karakoram mountains. It can only enter through the gap between its southern end and the Ladak mountain, and then go north through the long and narrow shiyak Valley to reach dbo. This "chicken neck" road is threatened by our side at the mouth of the kalwan River and the mouth of the Tiannan river. When passing through the dapsang mountain pass and entering the dapsang plain, it is exposed under the view of the 5390 sentry post.
However, the Indian army is not helpless. In recent years, it has upgraded the 235 km durbuk / shyok daulat beg oldie (dbo) highway (referred to as ds-dbo highway), paved with asphalt, built a bridge, and bypassed the border westward in dapsang plain.
The second response is to build a branch road from the toys siaqin glacier high-grade highway. It is planned to cross the Sasser pass of the Karakoram mountains, then cross the shiyak River, and connect to the ds-dbo highway of Murgu from the West. And it is planned to go up along the shiyork River and connect ds-dbo highway at gapshan to form a backup highway.
In terms of air transportation, the high-altitude front land along dbo is a gravel airstrip established in 1962. It was re used in 2008, and the C-130J was dropped in 2013.


2、 Depsang plains
It is a huge flat land in the East and north of the main vein of the Karakoram mountains, mainly the river beach in the qipuqipu River Basin. There is little shelter inside and surrounded by mountains. Because the "Karakoram pass" was wrongly defined as the location of the Karakoram mountains, the national border left the actual main vein, turned eastward to south, and forcibly drew a straight line on the dapsang plain to divide the two countries.
The national boundary is from the intersection of the central line of the lonaklonspo River and the chipchip River (PP7?), Follow the straight line to the 5495 highland and vertically cut the track junction nallah (pp8?) from west to East, To Ma'anshan (the end of Tianma highway), and then along the straight line to a highland in the South (pp9?). Further south is the natural watershed between depsang Nala, chip chap River and Raki Nala. The Indian army has patrol roads leading to various patrol points (PP).
In the west of this flat land, there is the Indian army dbo stronghold. Due to the inconvenient transportation, the Indian army did not enter this place until 1960, and the astronomical outpost group of our army was built in 1959. The ds-dbo highway runs from the north of mulgu and forks at Qizil langar (this translation appears in the map of the counterattack war in 1962). The old road climbs to the depsang pass to reach the flat land of pusang, passes through the Chalukou river without any obstruction, and reaches dbo; The new road runs westward along the watershed of dapsang River and chipchup River, and then it is upgraded around gapshan by borrowing the original road to reach dbo. Although it is changed to the bow back road, it will not be directly threatened by the border.
Dapsang plain is mainly composed of the river valley channel of the chipchap River and the river valley channel of the Chalukou River, which are the key points of the two sides.
In addition to being trapped in the company level stronghold of langar garrison in the strategic location, there is an itbp stronghold in the front of the fork road. The observation post on the top of the mountain faces our post. At the rear is the company level camp with expanded scale. In 2005, the Indian army frequently crossed the border from the front line of Ma'anshan into our territory. After our army expelled Assad Assad, in order to strengthen border control, in 2006, the Indian army set up the 5390 outpost in the 5390 highland and firmly controlled the area.
Further up, it is the channel of the kipchap River Valley. It is an important military deployment place for dbo. A border personnel meeting point (dbo-twd BPM) was established in Qianmen beach. From the establishment of the station in February 2015 to 2019, song Zhanli, as the first station master, organized and planned more than 120 meetings.


3、 Disputed area in the upper reaches of lonakron River
Further north, it is the disputed area of the upper reaches of the longnak longspo river. In India, the upstream is called Samar lunga, and the south is called lungnak lungpa. This is the only place in the western section of China India after 2020 that has not yet "won or lost".
The road from dbo to dbo mountain pass of the Indian army has been upgraded. In the early years, the road crossing the mountain pass into China was cut off by looking at the satellite map, and it was analyzed that there were our army vehicles in the river. But I haven't seen any conclusive reports yet. Moreover, our army has also upgraded the road from Yuanyang Lake to sister lake, but it still stops at the turning point of longnaklungspo River, 17 kilometers away from the Indian army dbo mountain pass road. On the north side of the bend, there are the remaining positions in 1962, which may be our army's "Tianyin No. 4" or the Indian army's "Tianyin No. 7". The East Bank of the lonaklungspo river is the northwest barrier of the astronomical point, while the disputed area seems to be neglected.


4、 Karakoram pass
After the monument was erected by Li Yuanyu, the chief of Kashgar in the Qing Dynasty, it was a landmark site. The Indian army also renovated this section of the road and set up outposts. On the other side, the watershed pass of the longpa gangpo river is relatively gentle, and there is reason to doubt whether the Indian army will enter. The highway we built from Shenxian Bay has only reached the river intersection in recent years.


5、 Border area of the three countries
The elevation of the siachin glacier is so high that the Indian army can still occupy and garrison troops with such perseverance. But on the whole, although the dispute in this place is close to our country, it has little to do with our country. The junction point of the three countries is considered by Pakistan to be the Karakoram pass, while the actual point is the SIA Kangri I peak considered by India. According to the proposal of the United Nations, we did not mark this section of India Pakistan boundary.
It is close to the Karakoram corridor where Pakistan "cedes" China, which is hyped by Indian media（ http://t.cn/A6StkN1V ）。 In fact, this corridor is not very useful today. We only built a section of road from tatulu Valley to xingxiaer River in the middle section.

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The red area is controlled by China, green by India, Blue by Indian J&K, Yellow by Pakistan

Appreciated but one still has to ask that whether there was a tactical success or not, has it been a strategic success? Galwan has pushed India towards USA, Those in charge and the wider public finally see China as a serious threat if not the most serious. Though trade deficit is increasing at a rapid pace (whether or not India can really push it's economy forward remain to be seen) but it is barring or at least starting to bar China from data mining Indian people (No Huawei, Tiktok).

China is where it is now because USA picked it up off the dirt floor and helped it suckle on it's massive economic teet, but not only that it's far advanced allies that border you, namely Japan and South Korea also invested heavily at US's instruction. Whereas China has successfully bankrupted or near bankrupted and destabilised India's neighbours: Porkistan (full credit there congrats on that one), Sri Lanka, Nepal, Burma, maybe Bangladesh - all countries that had/have a trade deficit to India. I would say that's a strategic success.

But say hypothetically China didn't intrude, India didn''t react the way it has, would China be in a better strategic position?

 

[rockdog]

Appreciated but one still has to ask that whether there was a tactical success or not, has it been a strategic success? Galwan has pushed India towards USA, Those in charge and the wider public finally see China as a serious threat if not the most serious. Though trade deficit is increasing at a rapid pace (whether or not India can really push it's economy forward remain to be seen) but it is barring or at least starting to bar China from data mining Indian people (No Huawei, Tiktok).

China is where it is now because USA picked it up off the dirt floor and helped it suckle on it's massive economic teet, but not only that it's far advanced allies that border you, namely Japan and South Korea also invested heavily at US's instruction. Whereas China has successfully bankrupted or near bankrupted and destabilised India's neighbours: Porkistan (full credit there congrats on that one), Sri Lanka, Nepal, Burma, maybe Bangladesh - all countries that had/have a trade deficit to India. I would say that's a strategic success.

But say hypothetically China didn't intrude, India didn''t react the way it has, would China be in a better strategic position?

Let me explain the POVs from our Chinese miltary fan or some top scholars toward Hindi-Sino relationship.

1. The Galwan conflict is an coincidence for both sides, no one expected such conflict caused so high casualties to India. I don't believe any consipiracy theory like China wanted to make big noise because of the Covid-19, since after May 2020 we don't have massive case domestically.

2. The frictions on the boders already increased for years, not because we hated each ohter more and more since 2010, just because both nations had more or less money to improve infra on LOC.


3. The PLA and CN government played really hard during 2020 this time, because two serious incidents serveral years ago.
a. The Doklam confrontation: the disputed area was between China and Buthan, but the IA just entered it stay on the disputed area for a month, this is pretty unreasonable.

This really made PLA and top brass desperate and angry that such movement is hit the bottom line. But considering the coming Xi & Modi's anual meeting in 2017, China could only use diplomatic way to solve the problem. After this incidnets, from what i heard then, most PLA and CCP top brass decided play hard with India, no more compromise, which means PLA ready to fight if it happens again but seems IA didn't feel it.

b. The 2013 Tent Confrontation，ITBP set some tents in patrol area of PLA and it lasted months; it got solved after 19 rounds of diplomatic talk, but noticed that, this also happened just before our PM's visit to India.


3. From what i heard from our fans community and scholars, for Galwan they fully supported such tough response to India, based on point2.


4. You are talking about profit/loss on strategic level, let me tell you from Chinese POV.

a. Sometimes the miltary conflict is the way to change the strategic situation.
Just like Korea war, the new CCP China had shitty geopolitics situation after 1949, lots of lands & ports in northeast is still "Rent" by USSR. Plus most PLA generals against Mao's deicsion to send troop fighting with UN army after 14 yrs of Sino-Jap war and 3 civil war.

But after Korea war, China gained full support from USSR, took all the lands & ports back; USSR also supported a whole modern industry system to China (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3920769); Plus it gained highest reputation in Communism communities, after Stalin dead, Mao became the leader even higher than Khrushchev .

b. After 1962 war, the image of India as most important non-aligned & strong developing country just totally collapsed, the world specially USA and USSR knew how weak India was. After the war, China increased influence in subcontinent which it never had.

Still, the 1961-1962 was the worst years for launching a war, because of failure of great leap forward in 1961 and bad relationship with USSR, and KMT tropp planed to land from Taiwan in 1960.

c. Chinese see any conflict as opportunity, even it loooks bad. If you remember the 2016 South China Sea Arbitration? Most nations against Chinese claim in SCS, but China use the excuse that this is provacation by Philippines, then CCP “Edit the Earth Map” built 6 artificial islands, fully controlled the whole SCS.

Do you hear any news about SCS recently? No, because PLAN almost handle the area ...

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Anyway, the world is fast changing in recent years, the past is past, let's see what will happen.

 

[BabaKhalbali]

Let me explain the POVs from our Chinese miltary fan or some top scholars toward Hindi-Sino relationship.

1. The Galwan conflict is an coincidence for both sides, no one expected such conflict caused so high casualties to India. I don't believe any consipiracy theory like China wanted to make big noise because of the Covid-19, since after May 2020 we don't have massive case domestically.

2. The frictions on the boders already increased for years, not because we hated each ohter more and more since 2010, just because both nations had more or less money to improve infra on LOC.


3. The PLA and CN government played really hard during 2020 this time, because two serious incidents serveral years ago.
a. The Doklam confrontation: the disputed area was between China and Buthan, but the IA just entered it stay on the disputed area for a month, this is pretty unreasonable.

This really made PLA and top brass desperate and angry that such movement is hit the bottom line. But considering the coming Xi & Modi's anual meeting in 2017, China could only use diplomatic way to solve the problem. After this incidnets, from what i heard then, most PLA and CCP top brass decided play hard with India, no more compromise, which means PLA ready to fight if it happens again but seems IA didn't feel it.

b. The 2013 Tent Confrontation，ITBP set some tents in patrol area of PLA and it lasted months; it got solved after 19 rounds of diplomatic talk, but noticed that, this also happened just before our PM's visit to India.


3. From what i heard from our fans community and scholars, for Galwan they fully supported such tough response to India, based on point2.


4. You are talking about profit/loss on strategic level, let me tell you from Chinese POV.

a. Sometimes the miltary conflict is the way to change the strategic situation.
Just like Korea war, the new CCP China had shitty geopolitics situation after 1949, lots of lands & ports in northeast is still "Rent" by USSR. Plus most PLA generals against Mao's deicsion to send troop fighting with UN army after 14 yrs of Sino-Jap war and 3 civil war.

But after Korea war, China gained full support from USSR, took all the lands & ports back; USSR also supported a whole modern industry system to China (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3920769); Plus it gained highest reputation in Communism communities, after Stalin dead, Mao became the leader even higher than Khrushchev .

b. After 1962 war, the image of India as most important non-aligned & strong developing country just totally collapsed, the world specially USA and USSR knew how weak India was. After the war, China increased influence in subcontinent which it never had.

Still, the 1961-1962 was the worst years for launching a war, because of failure of great leap forward in 1961 and bad relationship with USSR, and KMT tropp planed to land from Taiwan in 1960.

c. Chinese see any conflict as opportunity, even it loooks bad. If you remember the 2016 South China Sea Arbitration? Most nations against Chinese claim in SCS, but China use the excuse that this is provacation by Philippines, then CCP “Edit the Earth Map” built 6 artificial islands, fully controlled the whole SCS.

Do you hear any news about SCS recently? No, because PLAN almost handle the area ...

----------------

Anyway, the world is fast changing in recent years, the past is past, let's see what will happen.

yeh amreeki hai ya cheeni?

 

[BabaKhalbali]

 

[Jimih]

To the Wumao sceaming "Muh China stronger" here,

Here are the 4 Modern Fathers of China:

These guys build Modern China-

1) Richard Nixon
2) Bill Clinton
3) Henry Kissinger and
4) Alan Greenspan

 

[NutCracker]

yeh amreeki hai ya cheeni?

Uski DP me dekho Dung FLing- 41 missile ki photu hai..

 

[Blademaster]

Let me explain the POVs from our Chinese miltary fan or some top scholars toward Hindi-Sino relationship.

1. The Galwan conflict is an coincidence for both sides, no one expected such conflict caused so high casualties to India. I don't believe any consipiracy theory like China wanted to make big noise because of the Covid-19, since after May 2020 we don't have massive case domestically.

2. The frictions on the boders already increased for years, not because we hated each ohter more and more since 2010, just because both nations had more or less money to improve infra on LOC.


3. The PLA and CN government played really hard during 2020 this time, because two serious incidents serveral years ago.
a. The Doklam confrontation: the disputed area was between China and Buthan, but the IA just entered it stay on the disputed area for a month, this is pretty unreasonable.

This really made PLA and top brass desperate and angry that such movement is hit the bottom line. But considering the coming Xi & Modi's anual meeting in 2017, China could only use diplomatic way to solve the problem. After this incidnets, from what i heard then, most PLA and CCP top brass decided play hard with India, no more compromise, which means PLA ready to fight if it happens again but seems IA didn't feel it.

b. The 2013 Tent Confrontation，ITBP set some tents in patrol area of PLA and it lasted months; it got solved after 19 rounds of diplomatic talk, but noticed that, this also happened just before our PM's visit to India.


3. From what i heard from our fans community and scholars, for Galwan they fully supported such tough response to India, based on point2.


4. You are talking about profit/loss on strategic level, let me tell you from Chinese POV.

a. Sometimes the miltary conflict is the way to change the strategic situation.
Just like Korea war, the new CCP China had shitty geopolitics situation after 1949, lots of lands & ports in northeast is still "Rent" by USSR. Plus most PLA generals against Mao's deicsion to send troop fighting with UN army after 14 yrs of Sino-Jap war and 3 civil war.

But after Korea war, China gained full support from USSR, took all the lands & ports back; USSR also supported a whole modern industry system to China (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3920769); Plus it gained highest reputation in Communism communities, after Stalin dead, Mao became the leader even higher than Khrushchev .

b. After 1962 war, the image of India as most important non-aligned & strong developing country just totally collapsed, the world specially USA and USSR knew how weak India was. After the war, China increased influence in subcontinent which it never had.

Still, the 1961-1962 was the worst years for launching a war, because of failure of great leap forward in 1961 and bad relationship with USSR, and KMT tropp planed to land from Taiwan in 1960.

c. Chinese see any conflict as opportunity, even it loooks bad. If you remember the 2016 South China Sea Arbitration? Most nations against Chinese claim in SCS, but China use the excuse that this is provacation by Philippines, then CCP “Edit the Earth Map” built 6 artificial islands, fully controlled the whole SCS.

Do you hear any news about SCS recently? No, because PLAN almost handle the area ...

----------------

Anyway, the world is fast changing in recent years, the past is past, let's see what will happen.

So much BS & gas in this post that I nominate this post as the bonafide cow award post of the month. Here ya go!!!

 

[Jimih]

Uski DP me dekho Dung FLing- 41 missile ki photu hai..

Photo dekhne ki bhi jarurat nahi, janwar ka naam dekho uske user ID mein....fav food of Chinese

 

[mist_consecutive]

@rockdog you have more information regarding this ?