India-China Border conflict

[Angel of War]

Point is they want to take maximum advantage as they can in that region

But did they get any advantage ? Ceasing unmanned land is not exactly an advantage. The only advantage they have is in depsang bulge where they've come threateningly close to our base at burtse and DSDBO road.

If that wasn't their objective then why haven't they ever tried to make a final border with fencing

Ask yourself this question again .
The real question should be - why aren't they fencing the land if they've already won ?
The CCPs ultimate objective of coercing india into submission and for that the disputed border is the ideal excuse for them to use military force.
By the way , just so you know - fencing that terrain is impossible .

 

[Angel of War]

Current dispute is not about aksaichin . It is about buffer one which has not been demarcated .

I already know that , That's not what I am saying , this is what the article guy is saying. I am pointing his errors

 

[Angel of War]

Not 1962 . China had claimed it in 1950s itself and built roads without any confrontation . Its imp for connecting xinxiang and tibet and easily accessible to them . For us its difficult . We came to know about the road in 1957 . .

I was saying 1962 in the sense that we sent patrols in that region before the war but after the war it totally stopped

 

[The Shrike]

No reason to start meltdown there's little we could do now...but there are other ways to retaliate like killing there dog in South asia and pissing on cpec

When you show yourself to be not upto the challenge, you can't expect much much confidence on being able to over subsequent challenges. We can wait and watch how things unfold but I don't want ro indulge in magical thinking.

 

[mist_consecutive]

@rvats appreciate the clarity of thoughts. It is easy to fall prey to over-idolizing the enemy whereas ending up underestimating your own capability.

 

[The Shrike]

this is amazing "glass is half full" optimism

China has build so many forward bases opposite LAC that IAF has more options to target them

so this is "advantage" in our favour .

From the comments section of the original article:
"They have build oodles of facilities on territory we claim but hey, now it's a target rich environment" is a unique flavor of copium. "Cope India" is very appropriately named.

 

[Shuturmurg]

Saddest part is our media is not even discussing our loss.

 

[Photon]

First step DFI should rename it as AKsai Indie instead of Aksai chick..

 

[Blank]

Reading the article makes it seem that China didn't fortified Aksai Chin that much before the standoff. Which kinda seems true since we used to probably encroach on them as well.

 

[Blank]

No need of meltdown
As most of the things in article have been discussed in forum by many open sources and especially great amount of time spent by @mist_consecutive, @Jimih and @mokoman to keep informing us with latest developments as much as possible
And it's clear from conclusion drawn in discussion done before that overall advantage or we can say victory on this particular conflict is towards China
It was well planned and well timed incursion though they faced some defeats as they were not able to occupy few other piece of land due to our timely reactions but overall their ladakh objective was somewhat achieved
I think time has come to close this thread
As things are over now and nothing can be done
We have to wait for next incursion or action let's who will be well prepared
But definitely our establishment has waken up and seeing China as a no 1 threat

What makes you think our focus will be on China forever? If the administration changes in the next election? Or Pakistan does something uncanny?

 

[India Super Power]

What makes you think our focus will be on China forever? If the administration changes in the next election? Or Pakistan does something uncanny?

It's the brain of civilian or military bureaucrats that matters
Maybe a China favoring govt might come but if our establishment is in sense then can't ignore China as earlier
Pakistan case is also possible but I doused they will fight alone next as so much of interoperability as been practiced with Chinese
Even though they move alone we can't and will not leave China unchecked after this standoff
Yes equipments and personals may get transferred but after the war or something China will be again on focus
Majorly public view now they have stopped looking at Pakistan as enemy they all know whatever pakis will do will be done by order of Chinese as they are puppets so even for them China is becoming a more important threat
Again my perception might be wrong

 

[mokoman]

Walk back in progress.

"source familiar with the president’s thinking"

lol , amazing . he knows a guy who reads news and watches tv.

if there is no plan to intervene , why send US destroyers into the taiwan strait .

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Modern wars need tech edge. Army’s Integrated Battle Groups will be toothless without it

In the IBGs, third-generation anti-tank and air defence weapons, and loiter ammunition must be available down to unit level.

theprint.in

Here he mentions 500 infantry battalions

340 Inf and mountain.
50 mechanized
10 para sf
5 para
65 RR
40 Assam rifles.

510 battalions.If you exclude SF,then 500.

 

[The Shrike]

Leaving aside the broader strategic or tactical outcomes of the 2020 clash, our limited aim, reiterated multiple times, has been to achieve pre 2020 status quo. This limited aim has not been achieved yet - the Chinese have basically asked us to sod off in the corps level talks. Any hope we had that putting a large number of troops on the border for extended periods will make China back off are also gone. And we have not opted for another operation that would force the PLA to react either. So it's still China 1 - India 0.

Another view:

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[The Shrike]

In Korea too? Russian and Chinese actions are getting more and more coordinated?

 

[Butter Chicken]

 

[OFBkaRakhwala]

they arent *any* powerful , all they do is bark bark bark .

its what they did during doklam crisis . "move back or else" - or else what ? , nothing . we fed Xi jinping coconut water.

as long as Taiwan has majority of world semiconductor fab capacity , its in everyones interest to keep China off it.

US navy already restarted sending warships through taiwan strait , this is strait between China and Taiwan

1000 US soldiers dying is just a chinese fantasy . all i see is 1000 chinese amphibious ships sinking in Taiwan strait.

Funny to think US would loose men in 100s also, all they need to do is block of the Trade routes (They still are the hegemon power with a broad ally base who won't mind it). While arming Taiwan with anti ship missiles.

 

[Knowitall]

Leaving aside the broader strategic or tactical outcomes of the 2020 clash, our limited aim, reiterated multiple times, has been to achieve pre 2020 status quo. This limited aim has not been achieved yet - the Chinese have basically asked us to sod off in the corps level talks. Any hope we had that putting a large number of troops on the border for extended periods will make China back off are also gone. And we have not opted for another operation that would force the PLA to react either. So it's still China 1 - India 0.

Another view:

It's pretty much the same as the last year.

Some people here expected the Chinese to eventually back off due to high costs and focus on Taiwan but it seems they have doubled down on their positions.

Worse post operation snow leopard they have worked tirelessly to prevent another such attempt and have fortified the entire border region while gaining invaluable high altitude experience.

I don't think we can do much at this point. The areas that we lost are gone. Most of the issues have been brushed under the "legacy carpet" even when a general did talk about us patrolling those areas as close as 2020 itself in a interview with nitin gokhale.

All we can do is wait and prevent further incursions at this point.