India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Apollyon]

Ya'll Nibbiars
India's External Affairs minister S Jaishankar in Moscow.
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Sibbal.

Sashi Tharoor is discount/chinese S. Jaishankar

 

[Sehwag213]

And the frequency of threats is increasing with each passing hour.

1.101 on morality. Oh Bhai Maro mujhe Maro. Ye paper hai ya meme maker. Akhand chutiye bhare rakhe hai inke yaha.

Global times to CCP is what Saamana is to Shiv sena.

 

[Tumba]

chini aggression is going beyond the reason now, no logical sense coming out of it, this is not some hard strategy talking its ego on the line of Xi and PLA leadership.
War is imminent a hour away or a month away but its imminent and Definitely near...

Any misadventure from Pla which is likely can grow from a skirmish on a post to a full fledge battle ... I dont see any strategic or tactical victories for chinese here only great loss of han men and material... India should be ready to sacrifice her young blood for protection of our mother land cause chini aggression has gone beyond a point of no return and reason.

 

[tarunraju]

We should show them the rapes of Nanjing carried out by Japanese ... That is the language they understand ...

Not needed, the Army is already sitting on a mountain of footage of PLA getting its ass kicked (like that golgappe video). The Ghatak strikes in Galwan where 100 little emperors were cooked, would be on tape too (to be used if they disclose their tapes). In addition to on-ground footage, India records SIGINT, and satellite (radio/photo). We have a ton of dirt on the PLA if there's ever a stalemate skirmish and the Chinese decide to fight us in the diplomatic domain.

 

[patriots]

 

[shaktishivashakti]

How many of you think there will be some major action before Jaishankar-Chinaman meet?
I predict some major action likely in some areas we are paying less attention to. Probable air-drop of Chinese troops + armoured thrust to capture a small area that can be used to bargain against new Chinese positions. They will try to keep us busy in Pangong area with small-scale fighting to divert our attention.

Dissenting with the majority. My take is that it will be very quiet the next two days until the outcome of the 10th meeting, subject there is no major announcement for the next few hours by GOI following the Cabinet meeting.
After Moscow meeting ya the fire work will start.

 

[Jailor]

Incorrect. Apart from a fantastical fanboy imagination, nothing else comes close to reality. PLA troops attempted to outflank Indian positions at a couple of position. At one, they were finally warned with shots not aimed at them.

It is akin to what is norm along LoC. Raise a red flag/shine a red light (in dark) to warn other side, and then fire warning shots if move is not reversed. Probably PLA is getting the treatment for the first time, so the kids are excited.

Still don't get it why they treat this asslun guy with respect in forums after the kind of otherworldly bs he peddles like in the tweet.

 

[HawkisRight]

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Guys consider if thinks between India and Cyna end up escalating to a war so how will IAF replace aircraft lost in war??

Will countries transfer their aircraft if paid??

Best aircraft for replacement in a war??

Its not the aircraft that matters. Its the pilot. Once you lose a pilot, even if you have more fighters in storage, you are not getting it back.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Global times to CCP is what Saamana is to Shiv sena.

But saamna sometimes criticise shiv Sena but there is no chance gobar times doing that

 

[Commando 01]

Yes sir. From morning onwards we saw their state media issuing threats of war, now they are talking of their citizenry support. They are makin their moves faster. Definitely today night and tomorrow they will do some mischief.

Actually they are trying to justify there upcoming moves in Himalayas. So that nobody blames them for the escalation going to happen there

 

[Bhadra]

The events that are unfolding, the pattern of massages, the language being used, the belligerence on the part of PLA and most importantly the way events are unfolding all appear to be the repeat of 1960s leading to War in 1962,

Then it was Peking Review, now it is Global Times being used to convey the message. Mao and Chau were still civilized leaders now Xi is simply an autocrat Fascist and dictator of CCP. PLA then was less aggressive but better battle-hardened. PLA now looks like goons, without any military dignity and look more like specialized bandits of a Chinese Warlord.
The pattern and incidents of patrol clashes, probing actions, threat and intimidation, the accusation of aggression and firing are taking place as if the PLA general has run out of his wits and he is simply reading events of 1962 and following those with the faint hope that something may come through...

Chinese PLA thugs have lost the plot.... now we can witness more irrationalities on their part... just imagine what memory those PLA thugs masquerading as soldiers will carry with him ? That he went to kill Indian soldiers with sticks Scyths, batons like a bloodthirsty Chinese hound ..

 

[mist_consecutive]

Not likely to happen. Airdrop requires a large safe LZ which is first secured by pathfinders. Any approaching large fleet of PLAAF transport planes will be picked up by IAF CAP and dissuaded. Even Chinese are not stupid enough to attempt something like this without fighter escorts. Its not possible without drawing Indian attention.

They may use XV Airborne of the PLAAF during wartime though. Is there any OSINT regarding the acclimatization status of XV Airborne?

how feasible/possible it will be to air drop when we have activated our radars and sams and are also having constant CAP.

What they can do, is mount a two-pronged attack from the Pakistan border as well as the Ladakh border. This will engage our CAPs & ORPs to defend them, meanwhile, use EW to suppress our SAMs. Mind it, we don't have a very high concentration of SAMs, and most of our SAMs are short-range & point-defense.

This can create a temporary gap to thrust 8-10 Y-20s to drop some sizable number of troops.

No 'major' action for following reasons:
(1) That would be a major escalation. EAM meeting doesn't sound like the right time for that. Remember Moscow might be playing a role so no major ones.
(2) Even tactical losses for the Chinese have strategic implications now. Are they confident enough to pull off major tactical wins. I don't think so.
(3) Assessment: In a knife fight, the one who is afraid to get injured is the one who ends up dead. This one is more than that.

Coming to specifics, armoured thrust is less of a probability cuz both sides r watching these elements, so the surprise factor is not really there. Para is more probable but then refer to point (2) above. If it still happens it's either very brave or absolute madness.
*Disclaimer: To be read only in the context of the probability of major action before EAM meeting.

Ah, some sane thinking!

(1) That would be a major escalation. EAM meeting doesn't sound like the right time for that. Remember Moscow might be playing a role so no major ones.

Russia is more and more becoming the helpless stepfather of the rebellious teenager China. Russia think, and says it can convince China, but China gives no heed to Russia's sane advice.

(2) Even tactical losses for the Chinese have strategic implications now. Are they confident enough to pull off major tactical wins. I don't think so.

Well, how I see it, is that China suffers from a major superiority complex, and its military leaders over-ambitious. On paper, what I quoted (of airdrop) seems like an excellent plan. However, the experience will tell you otherwise, how a thousand things can go wrong (and will go wrong).
Thing is, new generation Chinese military commanders have zero practical experience of large-scale fighting and will learn by doing mistakes.

Para is more probable but then refer to point (2) above. If it still happens it's either very brave or absolute madness.

Well this is the reason I think para drop will happen. It is out-of-box trick no one will expect. Also, they can convert this into success if their mechanized/infantry can somehow secure the logistic lines within the first 48 hours (till paratroopers can hold).

 

[Gandaberunda]

Incorrect. Apart from a fantastical fanboy imagination, nothing else comes close to reality. PLA troops attempted to outflank Indian positions at a couple of position. At one, they were finally warned with shots not aimed at them.

It is akin to what is norm along LoC. Raise a red flag/shine a red light (in dark) to warn other side, and then fire warning shots if move is not reversed. Probably PLA is getting the treatment for the first time, so the kids are excited.

Still don't get it why they treat this asslun guy with respect in forums after the kind of otherworldly bs he peddles like in the tweet.

Arslan chutya was banned by mods from DFI for peddling fake propaganda last year after balakot skirmish and repeatedly gets his ass handed over in sister forum.

 

[Dessert Storm]

Today I was watching Times Now & the reporter on ground was quoting CDS Bipin Rawat meet & how it was crucial but then the anchor suddenly cut the entire thing & shifted to Rhea SSR case & then were showing useless car chase... Sums up Indian media's priority & hungry for Trp.. National issue gya Bhaad mai

Someone needs to stop this facade now.

Channels getting higher TRPs on that issue is a huge commentary on the priorities of people who watch them. Sad

 

[doreamon]

The old video shared by someone shows how things were before..Our troops were nt even allowed to carry sticks by peaceful top level . PLA is so pissed by shots fired in the air now . Articles aftr article are being written . Fear is real now for these ming dynasty soldiers

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Don't think they were attempting to disembark. It must have been for recon purposes. Now that their cameras atop Black Top are busted, they won't have a continuous high res view of finger 2 area. Wonder why our boats were unable to mirror Chinese movements. Or maybe it was our plan to let them overextend and make a mistake, and then we hammer them?

Incorrect. Apart from a fantastical fanboy imagination, nothing else comes close to reality. PLA troops attempted to outflank Indian positions at a couple of position. At one, they were finally warned with shots not aimed at them.

It is akin to what is norm along LoC. Raise a red flag/shine a red light (in dark) to warn other side, and then fire warning shots if move is not reversed. Probably PLA is getting the treatment for the first time, so the kids are excited.

Still don't get it why they treat this asslun guy with respect in forums after the kind of otherworldly bs he peddles like in the tweet.

 

[sorcerer]

Situation Update : Situation in Eastern Ladakh

India, while is committed to disengagement and de-escalating the situation on the LAC, China continues to undertake provocative activities to escalate.


At no stage has the Indian Army transgressed across the LAC or resorted to use of any aggressive means, including firing.


It is the PLA that has been blatantly violating agreements and carrying out aggressive manoeuvres, while engagement at military, diplomatic and political level is in progress. In the instant case on 07 September 2020, it was the PLA troops who were attempting to close-in with one of our forward positions along the LAC and when dissuaded by own troops, PLA troops fired a few rounds in the air in an attempt to intimidate own troops. However, despite the grave provocation, own troops exercised great restraint and behaved in a mature and responsible manner.


The Indian Army is committed to maintaining peace and tranquility, however is also determined to protect national integrity and sovereignty at all costs. The statement by the Western Theatre Command is an attempt to mislead their domestic and international audience.

Source: PIB

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well its the china that tried to violate the sanctity of the LCA while the talk was progressing between the mil. officers of India and china..
thats how china lost the black top and china was laid bare by the Indian army on that night which Xina will never forget.

 

[another_armchair]

Dissenting with the majority. My take is that it will be very quiet the next two days until the outcome of the 10th meeting, subject there is no major announcement for the next few hours by GOI following the Cabinet meeting.
After Moscow meeting ya the fire work will start.

Outcome of the meeting -

 

[Jailor]

Guys consider if thinks between India and Cyna end up escalating to a war so how will IAF replace aircraft lost in war??

Will countries transfer their aircraft if paid??

Best aircraft for replacement in a war??

Guy consider if thinks between India and corona end up escalating to a war so how will corona replace the lost bat consumers in war ??

Will countries transfer their Bat's if paid ??

Best Bat's for replacement for soup ??
~Mao cheudaong