India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[omaebakabaka]

Doesn't stop them from trying.


Ridges of F1 to F5 meet towards a common point. Like the palm of a hand.


Why? They can create temporary air superiority with the help of Bakis & their superior numbers, enough to bring the planes close to Indian borders for the airdrop.

Just does not make sense strategically as its a long border and India will also react in similar way. They wont take that chance with Tibetans.

 

[cereal killer]

Today I was watching Times Now & the reporter on ground was quoting CDS Bipin Rawat meet & how it was crucial but then the anchor suddenly cut the entire thing & shifted to Rhea SSR case & then were showing useless car chase... Sums up Indian media's priority & hungry for Trp.. National issue gya Bhaad mai

Someone needs to stop this facade now.

 

[tarunraju]

Do u know something which naive janta doesn't?

Every page in this thread has something the "naive janta doesn't know."

Hum thali peet ke bhagayenge ?

Nhi, unke jhooru ko ch**d ke. Like they ran on August 29.

Don't simp for bargirl here.

 

[Cheran]

how F2? aren't we on f4 ridgeline?

Maybe via boat, we must have fired warning shots & chased them away.

 

[SimplyIndian]

Its very feasible, paras are trained in that threat regime (risky but it can be done).....however doing that means they expect India do that somewhere else too....further cornering.

doing that by Chinki? sach main...salo se ground per to chala nahi ja raha. Para Drop BC...hawa me he mar jayange agar Flood light dikha de to..

 

[ninja hattori]

I m seeing it and assessing it to be strongly tonight.

As Chinese govt is just a face of CCP. And a commie doesn't give a fcuk about rules and regulations. They just want what they perceive as theirs when they feel they can have it. CCP has its 100th anniversary next year. And war is written on wall no matter what daily up and down goes. Remember 100th anniversary. This is all done for that.

This is a 2015 article. Written 5 years ago and exactly things are same way.

Why 2020 is a make or break year for China?

the “two centenary goals” are often paired with the “Chinese dream” or the “great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation” as twin aspirations

Request everyone to go through it.

Why 2020 Is a Make-or-Break Year for China

The deadline for China’s first “centenary goal” will test the political legitimacy of the CCP.

thediplomat.com

 

[Tshering22]

Yeah, have you seen it?

Disgusting. One Indian troop in the water and they're kicking him in the face. Vile.

This is why I'm irritated, Indians should never be outnumbered and shouldn't hesitate to knock the shit out of these savages.

I agree. Though our troops have videos of beating the shit out of PLA soldiers, it isn't savagery.

But that's because our regiments are under strict orders to be civil even in combat. I feel that the government must let the Naga and Gurkha regiments loose on them. They will happily bring back a few 100 PLA heads. That will send the right message across the border.

 

[UZI™️]

Dont know when will they understand that battles are won on Ground Not on Social Media.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Its very feasible, paras are trained in that threat regime (risky but it can be done).....however doing that means they expect India do that somewhere else too....further cornering.

Not feasible. Paras can't be trained to kick away SAM and AAM fired at the transport aircraft they are riding in. Transport planes have extremely predictable trajectory over the LZ and are lined up one after the other, like a turkey shoot. PLAAF won't make it that easy for IAF Fighter jets.

 

[Bhadra]

They usually do their land grab while still claiming to be diplomatic, open to talks, peaceful rise, etc etc.
IA and other armed forces elements should be alert, be prepared for anything.

Jaishankar can do his chai-biscoot in Russia, it won't solve squat.

GoI should also be prepared, leave nothing to chance or "Hindi Cheeni bhai bhai" bs

Jaishankar won't be able to fulfil the strategic requirements of China for they have come to pressurise India in Ladakh.
The time and place, if any indicators speak of a deeper and more profound strategic objectives of China.

Scrapping Article 370 raises the question of the status of GB, it also puts in doubt the status of Shksgam valley and above all jeopardises the CPEC, Jaishankar or Indian can not compromise on those at all. Jaishankar can not go against the historical action of scrapping Article 370 not guarantee that India will not demand GB.

Military issues, LAC, withdrawal, adjustments, BPTA agreements, etc are all secondary issue.

The Chinese aim is to achieve their goals on CPEC if not by agreement then by military means of establishing a link between Aksaichin and GB in Pakistan.

So there is no scope Jaishankar can do anything because Chinese demands are absolutely anti-national and can not be fulfilled in any manner. Anything given on those issues will mean an end of Modi regime... Not achieving anything on those issues would mean loss of face for Xi in October millennial...

The die is cast....

 

[patriots]

 

[omaebakabaka]

doing that by Chinki? sach main...salo se ground per to chala nahi ja raha. Para Drop BC...hawa me he mar jayange agar Flood light dikha de to..

Everyone is entitled to suicide if things dont work out. Laws might say otherwise but practically one can...

 

[Dessert Storm]

How many of you think there will be some major action before Jaishankar-Chinaman meet?
I predict some major action likely in some areas we are paying less attention to. Probable air-drop of Chinese troops + armoured thrust to capture a small area that can be used to bargain against new Chinese positions. They will try to keep us busy in Pangong area with small-scale fighting to divert our attention.

No 'major' action for following reasons:
(1) That would be a major escalation. EAM meeting doesn't sound like the right time for that. Remember Moscow might be playing a role so no major ones.
(2) Even tactical losses for the Chinese have strategic implications now. Are they confident enough to pull off major tactical wins. I don't think so.
(3) Assessment: In a knife fight, the one who is afraid to get injured is the one who ends up dead. This one is more than that.

Coming to specifics, armoured thrust is less of a probability cuz both sides r watching these elements, so the surprise factor is not really there. Para is more probable but then refer to point (2) above. If it still happens it's either very brave or absolute madness.
*Disclaimer: To be read only in the context of the probability of major action before EAM meeting.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Not feasible. Paras can't be trained to kick away SAM and AAM fired at the transport aircraft they are riding in. Transport planes have extremely predictable trajectory over the LZ and are lined up one after the other, like a turkey shoot. PLAAF won't make it that easy for IAF Fighter jets.

Sams are not there every where....they are trained to evade radars. There is a reason why airborne still exist

 

[DutchZZ]

I agree. Though our troops have videos of beating the shit out of PLA soldiers, it isn't savagery.

But that's because our regiments are under strict orders to be civil even in combat. I feel that the government must let the Naga and Gurkha regiments loose on them. They will happily bring back a few 100 PLA heads. That will send the right message across the border.

I think the same. This video was from May so tensions weren't as great.

Now looks like gloves off, especially with bullets fired. I'd love for the IA to do a raid and bring back heads.

 

[DownWithCCP]

literally no one has talked about finger 2 let alone shots being fired except this guy, don't know who his sources are, not gonna believe.

 

[another_armchair]

Doesn't stop them from trying.

I really hope they try.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Sams are not there every where....

Dude please calm down and read properly. This thread is already galloping. No need to write replies in a hurry. SAM are not everywhere. But fighter jets are. They are mobile. Which is exactly why they have been the backbone of Indian air defence for so long.

 

[Synergy]

Its very feasible, paras are trained in that threat regime (risky but it can be done).....however doing that means they expect India do that somewhere else too....further cornering.

but how will they come when we've radars and sams ready and constant CAP is going on?
will they be able to?

 

[ninja hattori]

Jaishankar won't be able to fulfil the strategic requirements of China for they have come to pressurise India in Ladakh.
The time and place, if any indicators speak of a deeper and more profound strategic objectives of China.

Scrapping Article 370 raises the question of the status of GB, it also puts in doubt the status of Shksgam valley and above all jeopardises the CPEC, Jaishankar or Indian can not compromise on those at all. Jaishankar can not go against the historical action of scrapping Article 370 not guarantee that India will not demand GB.

Military issues, LAC, withdrawal, adjustments, BPTA agreements, etc are all secondary issue.

The Chinese aim is to achieve their goals on CPEC if not by agreement then by military means of establishing a link between Aksaichin and GB in Pakistan.

So there is no scope Jaishankar can do anything because Chinese demands are absolutely anti-national and can not be fulfilled in any manner. Anything given on those issues will mean an end of Modi regime... Not achieving anything on those issues would mean loss of face for Xi in October millennial...

The die is cast....

2021 centenary year sir. And they have Taiwan as goal.

China: Xi Jinping’s 2021 Countdown

The hundredth anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party’s founding is in 2021. The party’s new leadership will keep an eye on this important deadline, which could well define the future of the single party, and of its domestic and global ambitions.

carnegieendowment.org