India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Gandaberunda]

PLA building up troops looks like an imminent clash will takes place

 

[Varun2002]

"although members might abuse me for posting her.."

No fan of hers, but she did write a remarkably balanced and even somewhat sympathetic to India article, around the time of the withdrawal of Article 370 in Kashmir. This was at the height of the internet restrictions, curfews, arrests of leaders. And it was in the Washington Post, pleasantly surprising. She strongly rebuked some of the unprincipled anti-India propaganda being bandied about then.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/09/how-indian-international-journalists-are-missing-full-story-kashmir/

 

[utubekhiladi]

Deescalation Hogaya Kya?

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars PLA has deployed 4 mechanized regiments from their highland divisions from southern Pangong till Chushul.

Not many know that compared to other modern air forces, a significant number of PLAAF pilots are yet to be night time ops certified.
Wolfpack

The Melcchas are afraid Nibbiars and making wrong moves.

 

[doreamon]

watch at 1.44 minute and pause ... will tell u the direction we are in. The man at task, None other than brain behind repealing of 3 year planning for art 370 .. Guess the dude. ?

Ram madhab .More capable than many front line people . But always remains in background .

 

[Akula]

Hats off to our brave soldiers ! I can feel the tension in his voice . Thanks guru share madidakke!

Sir, can you please translate.

 

[Cheran]

What we always knew

 

[samsaptaka]

Sir, can you please translate.

Thanks guru share madidakke! - Thanks 'guru' for sharing (in kannada)

 

[avknight1408]

watch at 1.44 minute and pause ... will tell u the direction we are in. The man at task, None other than brain behind repealing of 3 year planning for art 370 .. Guess the dude. ?

Ram Madhav posted a tweet and then deleted it.

 

[fire starter]

 

[fire starter]

pravin swine

 

[Akula]

Huh this posted?

I think they will allow tourist on their side of lake. Just like we allow tourists to visit Pangong lake. Media is showing that Chinese will allow tourists till Khurnak fort.

 

[ninja hattori]

Ram Madhav posted a tweet and then deleted it.

hmm ... Indo Tibetan Border

 

[ninja hattori]

I think they will allow tourist on their side of lake. Just like we allow tourists to visit Pangong lake. Media is showing that Chinese will allow tourists till Khurnak fort.

This is to give multimedia material to our opposition parties to be used against GOI, to create an atmosphere of defeat and force hasty decision making

 

[vayuu1]

So , looking back at things what exactly has China gained through actions initiated by Xi in last 4 months ?

 

[Cactus09]

This

 

[utubekhiladi]

India calls China’s bluff in Chushul

While both the military and diplomatic channels are open between the two countries, the Indian Army riposte in the last week of August must have had a sobering effect on the adversary with the situation attaining criticality at the Rezang La ridgeline in the Chushul sector.

After the Indian Army called the bluff of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) on the Rezang La ridgeline on August 29-30, India is prepared for the long haul in Ladakh with clear-cut directions to front-line troops not to yield to any Chinese intimidation.

While both the military and diplomatic channels are open between the two countries, the Indian Army riposte in the last week of August must have had a sobering effect on the adversary with the situation attaining criticality at the Rezang La ridgeline in the Chushul sector.

Although psychological warfare through media is the key element of Chinese military strategy, the situation report to the PLA headquarters in Beijing on the August 30 military moves must have made the Western Theatre Command realise the mood of Indian Army’s specialized troops and armour. The new Indian military posture is aimed at repelling any PLA move to unilaterally change the alignment of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in pursuit of its 1960 claim green line.

The Indian position on the Ladakh border was strongly conveyed by defence minister Rajnath Singh to his Chinese counterpart on the side lines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) meeting in Moscow; the stand shall be reiterated by external affairs minister S Jaishankar when he meets his counterpart on the same platform on September 10. There is a strong possibility of a meeting between the Indian and Chinese Special Representatives on the boundary issue later if Beijing still is committed to the bilateral peace and tranquility agreements. The situation on the ground is that China has increased the PLA’s strength by 60% since the Galwan Valley flare-up on June 15 while its leaders talk about peace.

According to China watchers, the PLA’s aggression will continue till the November US Presidential elections and the Ladakh push from Galwan to Pangong Tso was part of Chinea’s strategic positioning to punish India for its perceived close relationship with the US. “ The climatic conditions in Ladakh in October will ensure that troops only fight for their survival rather than fight against the adversary with polar temperatures and killer winds. The Chinese posture will also depend on whether there is a change of regime in US and what will be its policy towards Beijing,” said a senior official, who didn’t want to be named.

What is left unsaid is that the PLA’s aggression in Ladakh was part of the preparations to celebrate 100 years of the Chinese Communist Party next year, where the middle kingdom will be showcased as a new global power with a Xiaokang (moderately prosperous) society and a modern socialist country.

It is clearly evident that the Chinese did not anticipate the Indian Army’s reaction in Ladakh as well as the political, military, diplomatic and economic cost of land between Finger 4 and Finger 8 relief features on Pangong Tso that PLA occupied by perfidy last May.

 

[vayuu1]

So drdo won d race.. congratulations

can someone elaborate the importance of this project

 

[Bhadra]

From Vstol Jockey:

I had clearly stated that Moldo/Spangur tso garrison has now only two options, surrender or die fighting till the last men. They have no escape. But very important point which has been lost on most of these tweeting Generals is the effect of Moldo on the overall battle picture in southeast Ladakh. The loss of Moldo garrison means that PLA has now lost all abilities of launching any attack in SE Ladakh as this garrison was supposed to cut thru Chusul from Spangur Gap to allow take over of Demchok and Chumer area cutting the road leading to these places and surround Indian forces in these areas.
Our forces by dominating the heights around Moldo garrison, have now given us the the tactical advantage to completely dominate SE Ladakh and G219 is closest from Demchok and this allows us to even cut off Rutog and dominate Indus valley further down towards HP sector.
Long back on this very thread I had written that any Indian offensive must learn from the route and tactics followed by Dogra General Zorawar Singh. IA has done just that. He too had moved along Indua valley into Tibet. The added benefit of this move is that PLA has now lost ability to even mount an attack in HP/UK sector called the central sector. They have no chance in Sikkim sector so the next area of interest will be AP. Below is the route taken by Gen Zorawer Singh in his conquest of Tibet.

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Intersting observation Banna Ji...

Not that the Chinese can not be at Moldo. They can remain sitting there but for what, Moldo garrison troops were meant to occupy that height which Indians have occupied. So what is use sitting at Moldo now.

Proximity and eyball to eyball position May not be a such an issue , We have many Chinese camps are are under our direct observation but those garrisions and Camps have operational relevance,

Here Moldo has lost operational relevance for the Chinese. It can not be used as staging area. That is the point.

The greatest lesson of Jorawar Singh has not been learned by Indian strategic planners till now. That is Jorawar entered Leh From Kishtwar following the Zanskar valley - Padum - Nimmu route, There is no strategic road linking Kishtwar to Leh. The road also leads to Kargil.

Only now they are constructing a road from Manali - Sarchu to Padum and then on to Nimuu which will be an all-weather secure road to Leh.

The point is that Northern Command must have an ability to switch forces between Jammu and Leh without entering the Kasmir valley. That will increase their strategic posturing and multi-pronged use of reserves.

In just about ten years from now, If Modi remains at the helm of affairs, I can foresee China spending ten times more to hold on to Tibet and Pakistan forced to spend ten times more to hold on to GB.

 

[tarunraju]

This

Had predicted this last month. Operation Speedpost. Send a pot of hunny to pooh quicker than his local pizza guy.