India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

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Tridev123

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When we had the chance to arm them with AKs we backed out it's too late for that. Dalai Lama will need to address it personally, if there is any chance but truth is he has lost all hope himself.
Hope all is not lost. We should ask the Tibetans in India to have as many children as possible. If each Tibetan family has 5 kids minimum they will provide the human resource necessary in the future to form a decent guerrilla force.

What is the current strength of the Tibetan exiles in India. Classified information I guess. We need a huge Tibetan community to find enough recruits for their freedom struggle. Inside Tibet itself the Chinese government is trying to settle more and more Han Chinese in a bid to change the demography.

Maybe cash bonuses can be given to encourage the Tibetans here to have more children.
 

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Hope all is not lost. We should ask the Tibetans in India to have as many children as possible. If each Tibetan family has 5 kids minimum they will provide the human resource necessary in the future to form a decent guerrilla force.

What is the current strength of the Tibetan exiles in India. Classified information I guess. We need a huge Tibetan community to find enough recruits for their freedom struggle. Inside Tibet itself the Chinese government is trying to settle more and more Han Chinese in a bid to change the demography.

Maybe cash bonuses can be given to encourage the Tibetans here to have more children.
Cmon man.. Tibetans are already doing us a great service. Defending our border is our duty as well. Manpower is never a issue in India. Tibetans in China are pacifist now.. They are a lost cause.
 

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Bro, I wish if it was a laughing matter.
An entire community is slowly being wiped out by the Chinese.
Tibetan culture and religion is going extinct.
Do you not read reports about so called re-education camps in neighbouring Xinjiang. More like concentration camps run by the PLA.
Don't we require manpower for an army.
I wish you understand their plight instead of joking about it.
 

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Its pure Psy ops , Why would they allow civilians to take water and food to soldiers in black top which can come under attack any second from enemy . Plus ALH can drop payload of what more than 50 people can carry.

Plus the sikkim news of Chinese tourist getting lost in plateau and getting help from IA soldiers has now raised lots of red flags . Chinese don't allow their citizens to come close to LAC at all and not on that so called Plateau in North Sikkim

Most probably IA now deployed across LAC in forward posts and they were able to detect the bat shiters early that photo op was just a message to bat shiters that we have an eye on your movements now

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A couple of Mahindra Thars/ADVs would take care of most of the heavy lifting.
If this is psyops from the Govt, then its fine. Else we can crowd fund new/used Thars/ADVs and make their job a little easier.

If Tibetans are being showcased as the tip of the spear then action in Tibet cannot be ruled out at all.
 

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Cmon man.. Tibetans are already doing us a great service. Defending our border is our duty as well. Manpower is never a issue in India. Tibetans in China are pacifist now.. They are a lost cause.
We need ethnic Tibetans to wage war and liberate Tibet. We cannot be using only Indians like Biharis, Tamilians etc who might be seen as an foreign occupation force. A battle for Tibetan independence should be led by Tibetans.
Our large population will not be a relevant factor. Ultimately Tibet has to be ruled by Tibetans.
 

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@mokoman
Bro, I wish if it was a laughing matter.
An entire community is slowly being wiped out by the Chinese.
Tibetan culture and religion is going extinct.
Do you not read reports about so called re-education camps in neighbouring Xinjiang. More like concentration camps run by the PLA.
Don't we require manpower for an army.
I wish you understand their plight instead of joking about it.
Sorry man , i thought your idea of each Tibetan having 5 kids was funny.

The CIA already tried what you are saying back in 1950s and had some success.

I think we also had a part in it.
 

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China might try to attack as close to winter as possible. Their game might be to attack and capture territory just as winter sets in so that India cannot retaliate due to winter. Long months till next spring would blunt Indian options as diplomacy would have defused the situation and the Chinese would continue to occupy captured territory. Then IA should be prepare to retaliate and capture territory in various sectors Immediately if the Chinese make a move.
 

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Hope all is not lost. We should ask the Tibetans in India to have as many children as possible. If each Tibetan family has 5 kids minimum they will provide the human resource necessary in the future to form a decent guerrilla force.

What is the current strength of the Tibetan exiles in India. Classified information I guess. We need a huge Tibetan community to find enough recruits for their freedom struggle. Inside Tibet itself the Chinese government is trying to settle more and more Han Chinese in a bid to change the demography.

Maybe cash bonuses can be given to encourage the Tibetans here to have more children.
If the Tibetans are not serious about the task, i.e. not producing enough babies, then as per your suggestions, shouldn't we help them with baby-making and raise a new Indo-Tibetan Baby Force? Of course, considering the fact that increasing the population is the only end goal. Man, at the end of the day, every nation has to fight for its independence itself. External factors can influence the equation only so much and not more. Us paying the Tibetans to procreate is a harebrained idea. What if they have a change of heart and decide to open coffee shops in Dharamshala instead of fighting the Hans. Sunk costs would be too high.
 

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Local commanders know what to do. Let them

Saurav Jha
Saurav Jha,
SEP 06 2020, 00:56 IST UPDATED: SEP 06 2020, 01:32 IST

SFF Company Leader Nyima Tenzin, who died during the operation to seize the heights on the south bank of Pangong Tso.
It is well-known that People’s Liberation Army Ground Force (PLAGF) has a mobilisation differential in its favour vis-à-vis the Indian Army along stretches of the Line of Actual Control (LAC), thanks to the roads China has built on the Tibetan plateau. This was why the PLAGF was able to quickly reinforce its intrusions in April-May. But we now also know that those intrusions and the subsequent build-up were preceded by months of planning and preparation, signs of which were actually noted by Indian intelligence.

Read: Is the ‘Tibet card’ in play?

Perhaps due to an inability to piece together the larger game underway, India nonetheless found itself surprised. To be sure, the unfolding Covid-19 situation also affected the Indian Army’s readiness initially and made the Chinese plan easier to implement. But the army’s tactical operations in late August have emphatically disrupted that situation for Beijing. With its own sizeable in-theatre presence and the recent successes in pre-empting the PLAGF, India is now better placed to execute a stratagem of ‘wearing out’ the PLAGF. However, it would be wrong to assume that the Chinese will abandon their playbook altogether. Instead, there could be further escalatory steps.


But how was it that the PLAGF managed to secure those early advantages so easily? One reason for that is, no doubt, the fact that the Indian Army units responsible for guarding the Western (Ladakh) sector of the LAC were under-strength due to Covid-19 quarantining and other restrictions. It is doubtful whether the army had been able to send up enough of the patrols it does every year right before the onset of Spring in the region. To its credit, despite the initial setback and major logistical challenges, the army has succeeded in pushing in a very large number of formations to face the Chinese build-up in Eastern Ladakh. As the situation now stands, the Indian Army no longer faces any numerical disadvantage in the Ladakh theatre. It has also positioned the desired quantum of armour and artillery firepower.


With the army credibly prepared for potential escalation, it is not surprising that the tactical actions of last week, which saw the use of the secretive ethnic-Tibetan Special Frontier Force (SFF), were sanctioned in a bid to secure a positional advantage in the Chushul Sector. The operation, which involved beating the PLAGF to the command of the Chushul heights, has vastly improved India’s military position in the Spanggur Gap vis-à-vis China. Ironically, some of these heights had actually been inhabited by the PLAGF for a while in May-June 2020, but it had to vacate the positions due to personnel issues. Indeed, a similar situation also led to the PLAGF pulling back in the Galwan Valley.

The Chushul success marks a turning point in this crisis in as much as it shows that India is capable of unsettling China’s methodical multi-step game plan. New Delhi must now stay the course and allow local commanders the freedom they need for intelligence-based, small-scale maneuvers that foreclose offensive operations for the enemy while creating opportunities for the Indian Army. For though the PLAGF may not want a major conflict, its doctrine dictates graded escalation to consolidate gains made through encroachment. Once build-ups and posturing fail to browbeat an enemy, the PLA could orchestrate precision kinetic and non-kinetic strikes to ‘gain the initiative by striking first’. If this too fails, the PLA could graduate to a ‘quick battle with quick resolution’ attack by rapidly concentrating frontline units in a particular stretch. A still unimpressed enemy would then be subject to an ‘in-depth’ strike across a frontage of the PLA’s choosing.

Truth be told, given the performance of PLAGF’s conscript personnel, the Indian Army’s massive in-theatre mobilization, and the fact that winter is not two months away, a quick battle type action or an in-depth strike may not be on the cards. Escalation to the use of long-range firepower and cyberattacks to disrupt India’s Covid-19 mitigation efforts cannot be ruled out, though. After all, the Chinese are smarting due to the Chushul fiasco. They would also want to retain the area they have encroached upon in Depsang. India, on its part, must stay the course and continue to look for tactical opportunities to ensure that China remains circumspect with respect to its playbook.

(The writer is Chief Editor, Delhi Defence Review
 

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The way things have moved in last five months ,it looks like India has a plan and somehow we have forced China to play according to our rules. The capturing of black top and other heights was never imagined by anyone. Our armed forces and our government are definitely for a long game. We need to have faith on them and be ready for anything when shit hits the roof.
 

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Yeh kalesh kuch zayada hi badh gaya...


The Taiwanese tweets were quickly picked up by Indian social media. Recent border clashes between Chinese and Indian troops in the Himalayas have heightened tensions between the two nations.


What’s significant here is how aggressively Taiwan’s government moved to quash reports of hostilities between Chinese and Taiwanese forces, even to the point of denouncing the reports as “fake news” and a “malicious act.” Clearly, Taiwanese leaders were alarmed at the thought of what could this lead to, and fear that someone is deliberately trying to provoke a war.
The power of Tv-9 Su-kai and Indian twitter trolls, sala Forbes, Foreignpolicy.com sab jagah pahuch gaye..
 

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Its pure Psy ops , Why would they allow civilians to take water and food to soldiers in black top which can come under attack any second from enemy . Plus ALH can drop payload of what more than 50 people can carry.

Plus the sikkim news of Chinese tourist getting lost in plateau and getting help from IA soldiers has now raised lots of red flags . Chinese don't allow their citizens to come close to LAC at all and not on that so called Plateau in North Sikkim

Most probably IA now deployed across LAC in forward posts and they were able to detect the bat shiters early that photo op was just a message to bat shiters that we have an eye on your movements now

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We have taken feeding them Chai-Biscoot to whole new level 😍


Anyone else here believe the whole "preemption" story ?

We got tried of being jerked around and went and occupied those heights.

Now GOI is trying to play down everything . Nitin Gokhale is also stressing the view that our
men are not showing any belligerence towards the Chinese and are not aggressive . I mean look at how
everything is A OK at the LAC,our soldiers are feeding them.

:hmm: i think we have occupied black top and dont wanna make it official as that would force the Chinese to respond, the plan is still to force the chinese to go back to April status quo.
 
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