India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Flying Dagger]

yep. those F16s will be able to contain Pak and provide back up to SUs and Rafales in case of a conflict with China.

F-16 will take time , it is Mirage and Mig 29 which can be inducted flawlessly.

For Mirage we have Taiwan/Qatar / UAE as option for second hand jets. Even France can provide a few .

 

[Shashank Nayak]

China surely has population centers where they can store supplies that will shorten their supply routes.
The biggest issue is, Tibet - for most parts is an arid-cold desert, which means even in winter it snows very less in most places. That means their roads will be open and they move men & material. Cold can be tackled with climate-controlled living areas & bunkers.

This is not on our side, we have high mountains compared to the relatively flat Tibetian plateau on their side. Also, our roads & passes become blocked by snow in winter months, and keeping them open sometimes is just not humanly possible. This poses a great disadvantage to us. To mitigate this, we have built a large number(relative to Chinese) of landing strips & airfields throughout LAC.

What we need are multiple tunnels that can be kept open in winter months than mountain passes which freeze. I believe BRO is working overtime since BJP came into power, but I don't have exact statistics of our progress.

My point is most chinese supplies have to come from outside Tibet.. and in a long war that is a vulnerability..

 

[omaebakabaka]

I said with "Rail lines cut"... They have some massive rail bridges that are not so easy to reconstruct if blown up..

I took a train from Xining to Lhasa, peak point is over 5400m if I remember. Just normal train that goes either at 60 or 80 km/hr if I remember correctly. Lots of bridges, some very high elevaation roads but generally quality of their roads is better but still prone to blockages like us in some parts of the network. All roads maintained by PLA in Tibet and Xinjiang. Under the congress watch, they connected rail line to Nepal, not sure how India let the commies to power in Nepal.

 

[Flying Dagger]

I'm interested to know how this actually works. In case of war,suppose we look for warthogs due to its CAS ability,which will be good at certain places(due to its terrain hugging capabilities) wont USA inflate the price ? We might have to pay double triple the actual amount ,how feasible is that ? Or is it just the blunt cost of war we will have to bear ? Just asking,pretty sure IAF isn't eyeing A10s,it's kinda getting obsolete anyways

They are retiring them. There isn't much to inflate we can get them on lease or for a very low price. They will be selling them anyway.

 

[omaebakabaka]

They are retiring them. There isn't much to inflate we can get them on lease or for a very low price. They will be selling them anyway.

A-10s are ducks in the absence of total air dominance....su-24's/25s are comparatively better but equally vulnerable.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

A-10s are ducks in the absence of total air dominance....su-24's/25s are comparatively better but equally vulnerable.

They would still be useful.. and can be employed like helicopter gunships are employed..

 

[ataru09]

LMAO "readjustment"

"Yes we readjusted our troops but in the process had to "readjust" some enemy troops as well"

 

[sorcerer]

Refrain from personal attacks pls, ruining the decorum of the forum nothing else

yes.Correct! do the personal attacks on chinese and pakis..
its our birth right to do that..
#CKMB #PKMB

 

[omaebakabaka]

They would still be useful.. and can be employed like helicopter gunships are employed..

Zero use vs China as its unlikely we will get total airdominance and viceversa.....only country they could play a role are Banglaland, Nepal and possibly Myanmar...helicopters can take off from anywhere and I think su25's can take off from unpaved but more as an exception....a-10 may have that capability too probably. F-16s are the best choice if we go for 2nd hand just based on how many in service around the world.

 

[WARREN SS]

Susu Snake activated its minion to spread its parrot pekings view .

Watch his reply below this tweet , Where he said crushed defeat for India in medium to long term . And people here called this joker credible than Nitin G just for posting some satellite images

This guy is Not even Genuine Expert I Bet Many DFIan's have More Knowledge than this Google expert.

Made him him Sit Beside Any real Military Analyst He Will Wet his pants

If it Was that It easy then US Might Rolling over Iran And North korea.

It Depends on Terrain ,Deployments,Perception, And Short Logistic supply lines And Diplomatic & Allies support

1. We have Human resource Edge on the Chinese
2. We can get Any technology from west At Will If the War arise
3. Chinese Limitation to Stretch the War.War Will Destroy India but also Chinese
4. India Have Enough Fire Power To Seriously Hurt PLAGF
5. If It Crossed the Escalation Ladder Then It Will Be MAD And Chinese dream of Being US equal Will be shattered.

 

[Agraj]

They are retiring them. There isn't much to inflate we can get them on lease or for a very low price. They will be selling them anyway.

I understand what you mean. The newly acquired Apaches do the same thing as A10S and better from a standoff distance. Even Tejas will be good for CAS role due to its low RCS ,as usual we don't have enough of any platform. But that's a topic for another debate

 

[sorcerer]

India bolsters presence in Pangong lake amid border tension with China; military talks inconclusive

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Ofcourse, India need to bash them chinese to concussion for a conclusion.

 

[Jaymax61]

I understand what you mean. The newly acquired Apaches do the same thing as A10S and better from a standoff distance. Even Tejas will be good for CAS role due to its low RCS ,as usual we don't have enough of any platform. But that's a topic for another debate

Tejas has nothing in terms of reinforcement like an A-10. In CAS role Tejas will be extremely vulnerable. It cannot take much punishment.

 

[mokoman]

So near confirmation of Chini casualties..

"No firing" "no clash" "no contact"

"45 pow" "2 killed"

Ye Log sab Milke Humko Pagal Bana Rahe Hain

 

[Flying Dagger]

A-10s are ducks in the absence of total air dominance....su-24's/25s are comparatively better but equally vulnerable.

Everything is vulnerable beside A-10 are more survivable than Su 25.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

"No firing" "no clash" "no contact"

"45 pow" "2 killed"

Ye Log sab Milke Humko Pagal Bana Rahe Hain

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why isn't this being reported in worldwide media???????????

 

[omaebakabaka]

Everything is vulnerable beside A-10 are more survivable than Su 25.

As far as I know, su-25 can support more versatile mission profiles than a-10. A-10 has more fire power once total dominance is established. Soviet-Afghan war vs US-Afghan war.....I don't think US used a-10s that extensively but am not sure where as su-25 was built for that war.

 

[Blue Water Navy]

@sorcerer I know that yelling PKMB & CKMB are our birth right. But lets be civil here and not say PKMB & CKMB. Because if we say PKMB & CKMB it will indeed downgrade our forum. So, let's keep all the PKMBs & CKMBs for twitter and FB. And make our forum a PKMB & CKMB free zone where we can discuss or even tell in absolute decent language PKMB & CKMB, without actually speaking the words PKMB & CKMB. Got it?!!!

 

[LETHALFORCE]

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2020-09-01/china-provoked-india-in-latest-clash-us-believes

China Provoked India in Latest Clash, U.S. Believes

 

[Flying Dagger]

I understand what you mean. The newly acquired Apaches do the same thing as A10S and better from a standoff distance. Even Tejas will be good for CAS role due to its low RCS ,as usual we don't have enough of any platform. But that's a topic for another debate

Modern CAS role can be performed by laser guided bombs and all ( expensive though) but it can't replace an A-10 like aircraft for support of your troops with a monster of a cannon.

Plus all those things can be used on A-10 too increasing its survivability. And yes the role of Apache will be similar and they also boast of a 30mm cannon but the firepower an A-10 brings on the ground is unmatched. If A-10 is vulnerable to manpads so will be Apache.