India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[omaebakabaka]

Field Marshal General CDS Parwhin Sawhney

Mythbusters on the way

 

[Tumba]

This is much further south of Aksai Chin closer to Ladhak and Himachal....anyway we shall see.

India will avoid international agreed borders like HP, UK, Sikkim until PLA do so. Aksai Chin is fair game.

 

[omaebakabaka]

India will avoid international agreed borders like HP, UK, Sikkim until PLA do so. Aksai Chin is fair game.

Agreements with China are not worth the paper they are written on.....anyway demchok is disputed by China but administered by India.

 

[Indrajit]

Nitin Gokhale says that Black Top and Helmet are held by the Chinese.

It could be the truth or holding those features is incompatible with our claim of being within the LAC.

 

[Tridev123]

u seriously think USA will get involved directly for India?

u can not be more wrong and do u think a megaton bomb test or warhead is required nowadays?

There is enough data easily available from past nuke tests from almost all nations in black market and our own tests(yes we tested thermo nuke also) to accurately configure, design and deploy thermo warheads from 350kt to 500kt on Agni series.

Although no parallel of Pokhran3 but India has enough experties to point these 300+ kt warheads on Han cities not one but multiple agnis on main economic centres if it ever comes to the day, Han nation 90% core areas will be fully devastated including damn buster nukes.
Chinese CCP goons more or less are aware of this. India is no newcomer in nuke race. We started this almost 50 years ago.

If you want to argue on emotion and not facts I have nothing to say.
Please do a comparative analysis of India's, Chinese and US nuclear weapons capabilities. There is quite a lot of information available openly on the net.

Nuclear weapons are great equilizers. Even one nuclear weapon is too much due to their destructive capability. India has enough to deter.

But I am talking about coercive nuclear diplomacy. Unfortunately the US can frighten the Chinese better than us. It is the truth.

I do not want get into an argument if someone is getting emotional.
The US will intervene if an all out war breaks out between us and China because the stakes are too high. If India goes down South Asia, South East Asia and almost all of Asia will come under the Chinese sphere of influence. Too dangerous for the US.

The US is not doing us a favour by possibly helping us, they are safeguarding their own long term geopolitical interest by not allowing the Chinese to dominate Asia.

India is the only country in Asia which can stop the Chinese not Japan.
The US needs us to checkmate China.

 

[johnq]

Chinese missiles become useless and lose all accuracy if the satellites they rely on are disabled (shot down or electronically disabled via EMP bursts or jamming). It would be a good idea to destroy/permanently disable all Chinese military communication satellites above Himalayas BEFORE the Chinese fire any missiles.

 

[Synergy]

Chinese missiles become useless and lose all accuracy if the satellites they rely on are disabled (shot down or electronically disabled via EMP bursts or jamming). It would be a good idea to destroy/permanently disable all Chinese military communication satellites above Himalayas BEFORE the Chinese fire any missiles.

destroy won't be a good idea. then same will happen to ours and debris will threaten other sats and iss.
if we can disable those using emp, that'd be great but do we possess such capability?

 

[omaebakabaka]

Chinese missiles become useless and lose all accuracy if the satellites they rely on are disabled (shot down or electronically disabled via EMP bursts or jamming). It would be a good idea to destroy/permanently disable all Chinese military communication satellites above Himalayas BEFORE the Chinese fire any missiles.

Most IRBM/ICBM use INS and other navigation methods and do not rely on sats in general as main guidance.

 

[shankyz]

Chinese missiles become useless and lose all accuracy if the satellites they rely on are disabled (shot down or electronically disabled via EMP bursts or jamming). It would be a good idea to destroy/permanently disable all Chinese military communication satellites above Himalayas BEFORE the Chinese fire any missiles.

Going by the recent debacle of 3 out of 4 Chinese missiles losing their way (landing in countryside etc.) after launch in SCS - all tracked by the US Military ....I am pretty sure they will end up blowing away their own positions if fired in Ladakh.

 

[fire starter]

Nitin Gokhale says that Black Top and Helmet are held by the Chinese.

It could be the truth or holding those features is incompatible with our claim of being within the LAC.

It's a secret

 

[avknight1408]

Ajai shukla saying SFF caused Chinese casualities.

https://wap.business-standard.com/a...120090200030_1.html?__twitter_impression=true


Ladakh intrusions: Special Frontier Force takes first casualties
By Ajai Shukla | New Delhi | Last Updated at September 02 2020 02:58 IST

7 am on Tuesday, a small army convoy rolled into the Tibetan settlement of Choglamsar, adjoining Leh, the capital of Ladakh. Inside a truck, draped in the Indian tricolour, lay the coffin of Company Leader Nyima Tenzin of the Special Frontier Force (SFF), an elite paratroop unit manned by volunteers from the 120,000-strong Tibetan refugee community in India.


An army officer handed over Tenzin’s body to his wife and three children.


A Tibetan nationalist at heart, with his loyalty to the traditional Snow Lion flag, Nyima Tenzin completed his last journey wrapped in the tricolor by a grateful nation, which he had served for 33 years and for which he laid down his life on the towering heights above the Pangong Lake.
army also delivered news of the grievous wounding of 24-year-old Tenzin Londhen in the same operation. Both these soldiers were from 7 Vikas, one of the seven SFF battalions — almost a division worth of Special Forces — that have been moved to Ladakh and deployed against the Chinese.


Details of the operation in which Tenzin died remain secret but it is learnt to have resulted in Chinese casualties.


The SFF was raised in November 1962 in the aftermath of India’s crushing defeat by China.


Codenamed “Establishment 22”, it initially consisted of a ragtag bunch of “guerrilla companies” tasked to operate behind Chinese lines. Issued US weapons and trained by American instructors, most recruits were fresh from Tibet and couldn’t speak Hindi or English. Interpreters were needed to interface with them.


Today’s SFF is recruited from Tibetan refugee communities dotted all around the country. Many speak Kannada and Oriya better than Tibetan. “The tsampa eaters have become dosa-eaters,” says an old-timer regretfully, referring to the traditional Tibetan cereal.


What has not changed about these superb highland troops is their ability to function normally at altitudes that drain plainsmen. As the SFF’s role evolved, it was decided they would be infiltrated in wartime into Tibet, or para-dropped deep inside that territory. There, they would operate in small groups, disrupting and sabotaging People’s Liberation Army (PLA) columns. They would live off the land, dependent for food, shelter and security on a restive Tibetan populace that remains intensely hostile to the Chinese.


Initially, the Indian Army strongly resisted this new force. Facing severe criticism in 1963 and eager to prove his force’s worth, the SFF chief sent 120 Tibetan soldiers for an army field exercise, codenamed Garuda. This proved to be a dramatic success for the SFF.


In the 1971 Bangladesh war, the SFF further distinguished itself, with its soldiers winning 580 cash awards (they were not eligible for gallantry awards). Almost 250 SFF soldiers were casualties in that conflict.


Yet, till the 1980s, the SFF’s salaries, perks and ration scales remained below those of the army. Instead of pensions, SFF soldiers got a lump-sum payment on discharge. Today, the SFF is paid and equipped on par with the army.


“The committing of the SFF into operations in Ladakh is a signal from New Delhi of how seriously it takes the Chinese intrusions and the lengths India will go to in combating them,” says a senior diplomat and China expert.

 

[samsaptaka]

Sorry for nitpicking.

Ashwathama hatha iti, narova kunjarova.

Krishna says: Ashwathama is dead certainly. (Then murmurs) Man or elephant.

OT, but its MHB so will further nitpick your nitpick Yudhisthira says only kunjara in an inaudible tone:

महाभारतम्-07-द्रोणपर्व-194 - विकिस्रोतः

sa.m.wikisource.org

जानन्नप्यनृतस्याथ दोषान्स द्विजसत्तमम्।
अव्यक्तमब्रवीद्राजा हतः कुञ्जर इत्युत।।5-194-59a ,5-194-59b

Respect.... Rest in Heaven peacefully Brother.

No ! Its Om Shanthi and RIP = return if possible, we want such warriors back ! In a more fierce form

 

[fire starter]

 

[Aghore_King]

0.5+0.5 front about to open
Off topic but can't be ignored
Students across country tweeted to apply pressure on government to fastrack pending results, Coaching institute had a field day today, they are still going live over SMs and enticing students to go on a rampage at this critical point of time when we are at verge of a war against our greatest adversary , signs are not good from,within,i feel for students , aspirants but don't believe the timing of such movement,there seems a huge political angle to it ,i see commies at play

I beg to differ mate, situation for govt job aspirants is really very frustrating.
Do you know Vacancies in both banking and ssc are slashed by 10 times compared to last year. Ssc Cgl tier 3 happened in december last year till now no result. Rrb NTPC exam is not held even after 2 years. Banking form fees is increased by 200-300 rs. Even after preparing hard situation is hopeless. Only people who prepares for these exams know about this.
What should govt jobs aspirants do , you suggest please.

 

[ataru09]

OT, but its MHB so will further nitpick your nitpick Yudhisthira says only kunjara in an inaudible tone:

महाभारतम्-07-द्रोणपर्व-194 - विकिस्रोतः

sa.m.wikisource.org

जानन्नप्यनृतस्याथ दोषान्स द्विजसत्तमम्।
अव्यक्तमब्रवीद्राजा हतः कुञ्जर इत्युत।।5-194-59a ,5-194-59b



No ! Its Om Shanthi and RIP = return if possible, we want such warriors back ! In a more fierce form

I stand corrected.

 

[omaebakabaka]

OT, but its MHB so will further nitpick your nitpick Yudhisthira says only kunjara in an inaudible tone:

महाभारतम्-07-द्रोणपर्व-194 - विकिस्रोतः

sa.m.wikisource.org

जानन्नप्यनृतस्याथ दोषान्स द्विजसत्तमम्।
अव्यक्तमब्रवीद्राजा हतः कुञ्जर इत्युत।।5-194-59a ,5-194-59b



No ! Its Om Shanthi and RIP = return if possible, we want such warriors back ! In a more fierce form

Lol, bheem says the first part

 

[omaebakabaka]

I beg to differ mate, situation for govt job aspirants is really very frustrating.
Do you know Vacancies in both banking and ssc are slashed by 10 times compared to last year. Ssc Cgl tier 3 happened in december last year till now no result. Rrb NTPC exam is not held even after 2 years. Banking form fees is increased by 200-300 rs. Even after preparing hard situation is hopeless. Only people who prepares for these exams know about this.
What should govt jobs aspirants do , you suggest please.

It can be speculated that retirements are not going to be filled to reduce govt sector foot print and increase efficiency or plan to privatize?

 

[Cheran]

 

[omaebakabaka]

Ah those DODO ATGMs .... what you call those - Nag, HELINA, SANTA SINGH, BANTA SINGH, DHRUVASTRA,,,, some mythical names yet to tumble out of some DODOs mind...

Sixty years of monumental achievement....

Mods.... no ban please..... it is is an abject truth..

Konkurs or Kornet rather

 

[Indrajit]

What should govt jobs aspirants do , you suggest please.

They should look elsewhere. I find this nomenclature”govt. job aspirants” weird. There should be job aspirants, less we have of government in some of these lines, the better it is. Other than administrative services, there really shouldn’t be specific interest for govt. jobs.