India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[BabaKhalbali]

Damn... is this accurate ????

YES

 

[Gandaberunda]

 

[Sarjen]

YES

not sure man. who'll say fuck in the official diplomatic letter?? something wrong

 

[Cheran]

Hope we have some pics ^ vids....

 

[BabaKhalbali]

not sure man. who'll say fuck in the official diplomatic letter?? something wrong

jiske bohot bade gote honge...wahi karega yeh

 

[another_armchair]

not sure man. who'll say fuck in the official diplomatic letter?? something wrong

Czech mayor calls CCP 'rude clowns' after threats over Taiwan trip | Taiwan News | 2020-09-01 12:59:00

Prague district mayor warns China will pay 'heavy price for bullying' Czech Senate president | 2020-09-01 12:59:00

www.taiwannews.com.tw

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars Samja karo most of the chinses officers can do their work properly after selling atleast a Kidney to purchase a iPhone.

 

[Kumata]

jiske bohot bade gote honge...wahi karega yeh

To be more precise...titanium enforced gote

 

[cereal killer]

I don't think we would have done that right now. They are our potential leverage. I may be wrong but unless we've secured our logistics to Reqin we should not release them.

 

[samsaptaka]

Back in early May when the PLAGF advanced up to Finger-4 at the Lake’s northern Bank, the logic of pre-emption had then dictated that the IA & ITBP conduct a parallel movement eastwards on the Lake’s southern bank & another such move along the northern bank of the Spanggur Tso Lake that lies below Panggong Tso Lake. But this did not happen due to the successive Govts of India’s institutional reliance on the MEA & its infamous China Study Group (CSG) to totally rule out all such pre-emption tactics of India’s armed forces because both the MEA & CSG had become mental prisoners of their own words, i.e. the various agreements on CBMs inked between 1993 & 2013 would be enough to resolve all bilateral disputes. Consequently, it took a bloody mortal combat on June 15 at the Galwan River-Valley to wake the Govt of India out of decades of slumber & subsequently the IA’s ground commanders were given full authority to respond to fluid tactical situations. And this is exactly what happened on the night of August 29/30, when the PLAGF sent a reinforced recce/scout team at nighttime to occupy the dominating heights of Thakung (33 39 44.39 N, 78 43 45.79 E), Helmet Top (33 39 38.55 N, 78 44 27.09 E), Point 5167 (33 37 20.62 N, 78 43 1.25 E), Bump (33 37 26.85 N, 78 45 30.16 E) & Black Top (33 37 39.93 N, 78 46 51.60 E) located south of the Panggong Tso Lake’s southern bank. Recce/scout elements of the Special frontier Force Vikas Battalions (who are tasked specially for building high-altitude military structures & manning them) alerted the nearby IA & ITBP garrisons, which in turn quickly reached the sites & blocked any further advance by the PLAGF’s recce/scout team & the latter had to turn back & leave.

I have uploaded above a map showing all the dispositions & features, which clearly indicate that the PLAGF is now also eyeing occupation of the two hilltops (Magar Hill & Gurung Hill) through which the Spanggur Gap flows westwards towards Chushul. These two hills were always in India’s possession & were vacated only during the 1962 war as part of an organised retreat. Therefore, after the war had ended & the PLAGF had withdrawn from those areas, nobody except the CSG’s illogical directives on the patrolling limits has so far prevented the IA from reoccupying those hilltops. Now, since China has already proven its intention of not abiding by any of the CBMs that were agreed upon in 1996, the IA is now free to reoccupy all those hilltops to the south of Panggong Tso & west of Spanggur Tso that it had possession of back in 1962. But make no mistake, for the PLAGF still harbours hopes of sitting atop both Magar Hill & Gurung Hill before the end of this November.

Source: Prasun Sengupta

Really depressing that bloody CSG and other babus who are responsible for the blood of 20 of our brothers will simply be let go scot free. Heads must roll. I hope we continue to capture other peaks and not stop here. Here too it was only *after* seeing a threatening posture by chinks we went and occupied. So it's not Full preemption. It is a true pre emption if we anticipate that they can threaten elsewhere and we go in and occupy those areas *before* chinks make their move. But I'm sure babus will not allow that sadly....

 

[Darth Malgus]

BELOW IS SPECULATION BASED PURELY ON OSINT and MSM news outlets. USE SALT AS REQUIRED

Based on the information we have from local OSINT and defense journalists. Clashes seem to have happened in more than once place. Three locations have repeatedly come up form time to time and different news outlets and on OSINT channels. That being 3 strategic features of HELMET top, BLACK top and Reqin.

Judging from the map and the geography. All three of these features of the highest elevation in that area. Seems to have considerable LOS into the surrounding areas. Holding on to Helmet, Black Top and Reqin makes the Chinese position(s) around the Spanggur gap untenable.

Blacktop is in much higher elevation and will have direct LOS to the Spangur Lake.

Here is the terrain map mode from google maps. Added points of interest that I know of.

 

[12arya]

India captures Chinese camp in disputed Ladakh as violence erupts again between superpowers

On Saturday evening, around 500 Chinese troops had tried to cross into Indian territory near the village of Chushul

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[A chauhan]

India captures Chinese camp in disputed Ladakh as violence erupts again between superpowers

On Saturday evening, around 500 Chinese troops had tried to cross into Indian territory near the village of Chushul

www.telegraph.co.uk

India is now a superpower (we truly are)

 

[mokoman]

Any official confirmation of martyred SFF soldier ?

I hope GOI and our media gives him due respect.

I dont want to spoil the mood but , GOI hasnt even bothered to pay 1971 Tibetan veterans their pensions.

Forget OROP, Tibetan war veterans aren't even getting pensions

Thousands of Tibetan foot-soldiers, who fought the 1971 Bangladesh war as part of the secret Special Frontier Force, are living in abject poverty, still waiting for their dues.

scroll.in

Chinese bullets kill Tibetan soldier, injure one, in border clash .:. Tibet Sun

A Tibetan soldier of Company Leader rank has been reportedly killed, and his junior injured, by Chinese bullets at India's northern border in Ladakh...

www.tibetsun.com

it was no landmine , looks like they ambushed him and shot him in neck.

Company Leader Nyima Tenzin, 53, was reportedly killed by a gunshot in the neck. He is said to be from the Tibetan settlement in Choglamsar near Ladakh’s capital Leh. The injured is Tenzin Lobsang, 24. The incident took place on Saturday night.

A Tibetan soldier of Company Leader rank has been reportedly killed, and his junior injured, by Chinese bullets at India’s northern border in Ladakh region while they were on patrol duty, according to sources.

Both men were from the 7th battalion of the Special Frontier Force (SFF), also known as Establishment 22, which is a unit made up of Tibetans under the Indian army. Within the Indian army the Tibetan unit is known as the “Vikas battalion”.

 

[cereal killer]

So Black Top is also now under Indian control that is now confirmed. Chinese Tanks are at foothills so we might have set up observation posts there to direct Artillery fire just like Pakis did at the Kargil. Their light Tanks are sitting ducks now.

Indian, Chinese tanks within firing distance at Pangong Tso as LAC remains tense

Situation remains tense at the new flashpoint in Pangong Tso with Indian and Chinese tanks stationed within firing distance of each other.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[asingha94]

Seems Pakistanis are more devastated than Chinese
They are opening more fake Chinese & Russian profiles to cover up for their master. Slavery at free of cost.

 

[another_armchair]

Any official confirmation of martyred SFF soldier ?

I hope GOI and our media gives him due respect.

I dont want to spoil the mood but , GOI hasnt even bothered to pay 1971 Tibetan veterans their pensions.

Forget OROP, Tibetan war veterans aren't even getting pensions

Thousands of Tibetan foot-soldiers, who fought the 1971 Bangladesh war as part of the secret Special Frontier Force, are living in abject poverty, still waiting for their dues.

scroll.in

Chinese bullets kill Tibetan soldier, injure one, in border clash .:. Tibet Sun

A Tibetan soldier of Company Leader rank has been reportedly killed, and his junior injured, by Chinese bullets at India's northern border in Ladakh...

www.tibetsun.com

it was no landmine , looks like they ambushed him and shot him in neck.

Company Leader Nyima Tenzin, 53, was reportedly killed by a gunshot in the neck. He is said to be from the Tibetan settlement in Choglamsar near Ladakh’s capital Leh. The injured is Tenzin Lobsang, 24. The incident took place on Saturday night.

A Tibetan soldier of Company Leader rank has been reportedly killed, and his junior injured, by Chinese bullets at India’s northern border in Ladakh region while they were on patrol duty, according to sources.

Both men were from the 7th battalion of the Special Frontier Force (SFF), also known as Establishment 22, which is a unit made up of Tibetans under the Indian army. Within the Indian army the Tibetan unit is known as the “Vikas battalion”.

Sadly, we can't pay them pension as China will raise it as a violation of XYZ convention.

Many Tibetans visit Tibet and officially recognizing their contribution and giving them pension benefits will not only put them in harms way, it will end up in a huge fiasco.

But IMO, we should grow a spine and at least pay them some form of subsistence allowance. They have done more for this country in return for safe sanctuary than a lot of 'Indian' ingrates.

 

[Synergy]

I don't think we would have done that right now. They are our potential leverage. I may be wrong but unless we've secured our logistics to Reqin we should not release them.

afaik, technically they were not pow.
without war there can't be pow. so how could we keep them?

*I may be wrong.

 

[A chauhan]

Weakness of PLA soldiers :-

 

[Sehwag213]

Weakness of PLA soldiers :-

This guy will make sure that there is no de-escalation