India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Tumba]

I'd rather have them have that attitude floating than get more attentive.
It's always the punch you don't see coming that knocks you out.

Let's hope our government will have the will to initiate a large scale conflict on Chinese even when they attack Taiwan and preempt their ability to fight for Tibet before we ever start fighting for Tibet.

Still of the opinion that Quad Alliance should be militarized.

Quad Alliance is all talk when the shit hits the fan nobody gonna help India, Australia is repeated backstabber to India, japan too pacifist to fight.
USA changes strategy in a month and wants India to buy every last gen. shit for so called interoperability.
I will rather India make a pact with Tibettan govt in Exile and use Tibetan militia that will be more beneficial than unreliable allies. Quad is for entertainment only.

 

[NairBrigade]

Quad Alliance is all talk when the shit hits the fan nobody gonna help India, Australia is repeated backstabber to India, japan too pacifist to fight.
USA changes strategy in a month and wants India to buy every last gen. shit for so called interoperability.
I will rather India make a pact with Tibettan govt in Exile and use Tibetan militia that will be more beneficial than unreliable allies. Quad is for entertainment only.

Realistically, the best we can hope to get from the Quad is quality intelligence that we can use to gain advantage in battle. We should be under no illusion that any one of them would put their behinds on the line for us, when the balloon goes up.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Realistically, the best we can hope to get from the Quad is quality intelligence that we can use to gain advantage in battle. We should be under no illusion that any one of them would put their behinds on the line for us, when the balloon goes up.

We don't need their boots on the ground, if US can force its other minions to apply more sanctions and provide us what we need then IA can take care of the Chinese by ourselves.

 

[utubekhiladi]

A few of them are "demanding" that PLA unleash artillery and wipe out the "AhSan". Apparently they think we don't have things like artillery and are still fighting with spears and elephants.

A few others are hoping beyond hope that the "AhSan" will starve and die when winter comes due to our poor infrastructure and the PLA can just walk in.

Some are planning to help Pakistani guerillas against us, and one was dreaming to take entire Northern Himalayas to punish us

Barring the few nutjobs, I'm surprised by their dialogues. Very, very reasonable and grounded conclusions by the more 'senior' members on that site. I'd expected the Chinese to be more jingo but apparently, they too, think.
Shocker. (I'm used to reading Pakistani forum discussions so forgive me)

No seriously, read their discussions. A good insight into their mindset.
They believe that they shouldn't engage with India, attack Taiwan, occupy it completely while defending Tibet (and take losses if necessary) before turning back onto it with full force. It makes sense but why are none of them factoring in USA or the fact that their economy won't be growing anymore or that a war's toll on it will render them weaker and weaker before they ever face off against us?

@Waanar there is history to taiwan and CCP .. i remember watching the same on Wion.. basically CCP is a combo of tribal forces that was against democratic chinese.. they fought them for almost 30 yrs before they managed to over throw them in around 1949 which is when the democratic fellas went to taiwan and the tribals made up rogue CCP and provided themselves the legitimacy in front of world...in nutshell.. they have ahistory of fighting anf back stabbing but they forget that this is world not their fellow chinese...

some gems from that forum

To be honest, India is currently a trivial matter. As long as the dispute remains, it will always be brought back.
This is necessary for Taiwan to take it back. At least the priority will be many times higher than that of disputed areas such as southern Tibet.
Is it easy to fight Taiwan? It may be that it is easy to fight down, and it is not difficult to rule if the United States does not intervene, but will the United States not intervene? Once intervened, is it necessary to go all out to deal with it? At this time, what are you doing to build a strong enemy?
It is not difficult to start a war, but how to end it. India's size is not small, and it won't be put on the ground at once. It's better than old hair. Didn't it retreat back then? It is because it cannot be consumed.
Things need to be done one by one, and I also want to be like the United States. I want to beat whoever I want to beat and whoever I want to beat. Unfortunately, the current strength does not allow it.

This is also a way of thinking. If the four lost highlands are difficult to recapture without using guns, we can also open up new battlefields in their weak areas like India.
In the absence of a thermal weapon war, even if it can only end up with me in you and you in me, it is still an effective means of confrontation.

It’s really disgusting to run into this fly from India. It’s buzzing around you all day, hitting him and getting distracted, so that the United States can take advantage of it. If it doesn’t hit it, it will take advantage of it. It depends on the situation, it's time to fight or fight, even if it's a mace.

The plane can't occupy the territory, at most it breaks down and hurts the frozen ground.

The Global Times has proposed to take over the airspace directly over Taiwan. The east wind has passed. Various ministries and commissions have repeatedly spoken. Food reserves and oil reserves are increasing. There are nine maritime exercises a month. American early warning aircraft flew over Taiwan. We conveyed the most determined The red line warned that Tsai Ing-wen both announced that the Taiwan military would not fire the first shot and called for peace.
At this time, the mountain was covered by heavy snow for two months. At this time, I said that I would like to print the degree. Why, I don’t understand.The plane can't occupy the territory, at most it breaks down and hurts the frozen ground.

First, if Taiwan declares independence, the United States will intervene in the Taiwan Strait anyway. No matter whether we print it or not, even if Taiwan actively attacks us, we will come back to help when we counterattack the United States. Therefore, when India is dead or alive, we should fight back. Fight, you can bear to restrain him only if you are weak, and you will eat the whole Tibet step by step, so I think the best response now is to take the initiative and stop acting, expect to build up the army, a few exercises to scare the opponent, exercise this Recruitment is no longer effective for India. Negotiators should be recalled directly, announcing that India will not withdraw from the border, we will open fire, and then issue a combat order, and then the whole world will see that the Chinese are not just killing people in fighting, fighting wars. More lives are needed, and there are more ways to tie up prisoners!

In the future, we will definitely engage in a local war with India. The One Belt One Road strategy must cut off the thorny head of India, but now it is obviously not the time to start with India. We are now on a strategic offensive in the direction of the Taiwan Strait, gradually compressing the space for Taiwan bandits. We are under a lot of pressure in the direction of Taiwan Strait. We are wrestling with the planet’s most powerful opponent in the South China Sea of Taiwan.
On the Western Front, even though our Western theater is stronger than India, it is not suitable for expanding the conflict on the Western Front at this time. Should India keep raising, should we continue to raise now? We are stronger than India, so we will try to control the scale of the conflict. Before the Taiwan Strait is determined, we may continue to fight with India, and even the air force will have local friction, but it is impossible to mobilize the western theater to print.
Taiwan is the key to our rise. It will affect our national fortune in the next hundred years, not Bangong Lake. The Taiwan issue is resolved and the overall situation is stable.

 

[dumdumdum]

More people confirming this: Thakung (33 39 44.39 N, 78 43 45.79 E), Helmet Top (33 39 38.55 N, 78 44 27.09 E), Point 5167 (33 37 20.62 N, 78 43 1.25 E), Bump (33 37 26.85 N, 78 45 30.16 E) & Black Top (33 37 39.93 N, 78 46 51.60 E) located south of the Panggong Tso Lake’s southern bank.

Can you be little clearer? Confirming what ...? Indian Army has taken control of these locations?

 

[fire starter]

 

[EarthCitizen]

Om Shanti

 

[Tumba]

Realistically, the best we can hope to get from the Quad is quality intelligence that we can use to gain advantage in battle. We should be under no illusion that any one of them would put their behinds on the line for us, when the balloon goes up.

to b honest only US has sm capability to provide intel but can we trust US remember Mumbai attack not only these guys didnt shared anything although thr double was aware of end to end details but they blocked India to investigate or even take a statement.

India on the other hand shares regular intel regarding pakis free of charge in response US shares nothin of value. India can pretty much take care of intel real ground Intel from both Tibet and porks.

 

[Sehwag213]

I think they first want the release of their soldiers in case we have any

 

[Echelon Four]

Can you be little clearer? Confirming what ...? Indian Army has taken control of these locations?

Yes... but like china claims everything as their own & denies intrusion... same we will do... deny that we intruded and these all are on our side.

 

[Kumata]

some gems from that forum

Morons....seriously..@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mikesingh]

I will rather India make a pact with Tibettan govt in Exile and use Tibetan militia that will be more beneficial than unreliable allies. Quad is for entertainment only.

SFF 7 Vikas manned by Tibetans already occupied Black Top. They're up and away already! The PLA conscripts are no match for them!

 

[Tumba]

SFF 7 Vikas manned by Tibetans already occupied Black Top. They're up and away already! The PLA conscripts are no match for them!

I am not talking abt Vikas m talking abt pact with Tibetan govt and recruit Tibet militia to disrupt supply lines.
Vikas is fully Indian now.

 

[Waanar]

I feel like this guy's pandering. Is this plausible or just an incredibly shallow overview of a protracted war with our dear neighbor?
The statement that "Any protracted war will be won by India as it slowly strangles Chinese economy to death" near the end of the video irks me. Can't be that simple, can it?

 

[omaebakabaka]

I am not talking abt Vikas m talking abt pact with Tibetan govt and recruit Tibet militia to disrupt supply lines.
Vikas is fully Indian now.

You mean Tibetan govt in exile in India? There is no Tibetan govt in China, their movement is highly restricted although India can provoke Tibetans in the east who are known to be very militant in attitude.

 

[Mikesingh]

I am not talking abt Vikas m talking abt pact with Tibetan govt and recruit Tibet militia to disrupt supply lines.
Vikas is fully Indian now.

Ah yes!! Disrupting Chinese logistics by Tibetan militia is the next step! On it already!

 

[Tumba]

You mean Tibetan govt in exile in India? There is no Tibetan govt in China, their movement is highly restricted although India can provoke Tibetans in the east who are known to be very militant in attitude.

Yup In Exile, need to organize Tibetan parties and train Tibetan folks in Tibet most of the PLA garrisons are nearby settlements and the vast land mass is not patrolled.
Make those garrison their cages using Tibettan bros once the Tandav starts.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Yup In Exile, need to organize Tibetan parties and train Tibetan folks in Tibet most of the PLA garrisons are nearby settlements and the vast land mass is not patrolled.
Make those garrison their cages using Tibettan bros once the Tandav starts.

Ya, hopefully RAW created some possibilities into it over the years but otherwise they seem too comfortable in Dharamsala.

 

[IndianSpiderman]

Hmm... Good morning ji.

US seeks formal alliance similar to Nato with India, Japan and Australia, State Department official says

Washington aims to formalise its closer Indo-Pacific defence relations with India, Japan and Australia – also known as “the quad” – into something more closely resembling the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (
Nato
), a senior US State Department official said on Monday.
The US government’s goal is to get the grouping of four countries and others in the region to work together as a bulwark against “a potential challenge from China” and “to create a critical mass around the shared values and interests of those parties in a manner that attracts more countries in the Indo-Pacific and even from around the world … ultimately to align in a more structured manner”, said Deputy Secretary of State Stephen Biegun.
“The Indo-Pacific region is actually lacking in strong multilateral structures,” he said. “They don‘t have anything of the fortitude of Nato or the European Union. The strongest institutions in Asia oftentimes are not, I think, not inclusive enough and so … there is certainly an invitation there at some point to formalise a structure like this.”
“Remember even Nato started with relatively modest expectations and a number of countries [initially] chose neutrality over Nato membership,” Biegun added.
Speaking with former US ambassador to India, Richard Verma, in an online discussion organised by the US-India Strategic Partnership Forum, Biegun also said the group of four nations were expected to meet in Delhi sometime this
autumn
and cited Australia’s possible participation in India’s Malabar naval exercise as an example of progress towards a more formal defence bloc.

India is “clearly indicating an intention to invite Australia to participate in the Malabar naval exercises, which will be a tremendous step forward in ensuring the freedom of passage and the security of the seas in the Indo-Pacific”, he said.






Biegun cautioned that Washington would keep its ambitions for a Pacific Nato “checked”, saying that such a formal alliance “only will happen if the other countries are as committed as the United States”.

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[Kumata]

Ya, hopefully RAW created some possibilities into it over the years but otherwise they seem too comfortable in Dharamsala.

Yeah.. Morons are firmly entrenched there...living a comfortable life having married local girls...