India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[BangaliBabu]

Yes but at the end of the day these all are excuses.
Chinese won't show us sympathy because we weren't blessed with the convenient soil.
Remember these Chinese are budding infra 3000 km away from mainland shit is hard for them to but they don't ever make excuses.

Chinese won't sympathise with themselves when shit hits the fan. We don't have that "easy going" soil anywhere in India rather than in the Indo-Gangetic Plain. Trust me. Their infrastructure doesn't amaze me to the least.

I would rather vouch for Vladivostok and how the Russians managed to make it a paradise nestled amongst the swampy forests and the vast Pacific Ocean.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Another disappointing legacy of Indian Infra sector is the BEML.
70 years after independence we still don't have our own tunnel bore machine.
Even tho BEML exist the market is dominated by JCB and Hyundai any equipments from BEML is a rare sight.

The Indian PSU fail to fulfill it's very purpose. U would expect the earthmover sector to be Dominated by BEML but that's not the case.

The short sightedness of Indian PSU is one of the reason why we lag behind to this day.

The PSUs are there for the sake of being there.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Insha Muruga!!!

Muruga.. is the God of War.. and the Peacock is his war horse.. but I feel its just Modi feeding a Peacock.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

I think the series is SIG only

LMAO then what did @Sridhar_TN post ??

Sarcasm 101. There’s nothing called sigma 716. Just wanted to point that out in the cheekiest way. That’s all.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Another disappointing legacy of Indian Infra sector is the BEML.
70 years after independence we still don't have our own tunnel bore machine.
Even tho BEML exist the market is dominated by JCB and Hyundai any equipments from BEML is a rare sight.

The Indian PSU fail to fulfill it's very purpose. U would expect the earthmover sector to be Dominated by BEML but that's not the case.

The short sightedness of Indian PSU is one of the reason why we lag behind to this day.

The PSUs are there for the sake of being there.

BEML actually produces some good earthmover vehicles. In fact, there was a user here posting some really good pics of BEML products used in Ladakh.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Baba or no baba..... I have posted about 7 points ( few posts back) that several astrologers are claiming that are about to happen from end of September...

And even if first 3 or 4 of these become reality, many pandits bashing PM with their wisdom of what should have been done .... hope you have the courage to come back to this forum and spew your gyan then

Could you post the 7 points again. Or DM me better yet.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Interesting bit is that all of China’s neighbours seem to think it is about them:

1) South Korea thinks Kim Jong un is in coma, hence the escalations.

2) Taiwan thinks they are the main target

3) India thinks we are the main target

CCP has kept everybody guessing, all at the same time.

They are fooling themselves, latest casualty of Chinese CPC bragging and arrogance is their Belt and Road initiative.

 

[ezsasa]

Muruga.. is the God of War.. and the Peacock is his war horse.. but I feel its just Modi feeding a Peacock.

Insha Muruga = Muruga willing. Muruga may will it happen, Or Muruga may not will it to happen.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Military option on table if talks fail: Rawat on China

The CDS, who was army chief during the 73-day military standoff in Doklam against the PLA in 2017, also dispelled the notion that there is a lack of coordination among the principal intelligence agencies.

www.google.com

Military option on table if talks fail: Rawat on China

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Talks on third foundational military pact with U.S. soon - The Sunday Guardian Live

A country needs to sign three pacts to get cutting-edge weapons from the US. New Delhi: The issue of the pending third foundational military

www.sundayguardianlive.com

Talks on third foundational military pact with U.S. soon

India, US set to hold 2+2 talks, defence cooperation pact likely on agenda amid LAC standoff

New Delhi and Washington are likely to sign defence foundational pact BECA during the 2+2 meeting that has been in the works since July.

theprint.in

India, US set to hold 2+2 talks, defence cooperation pact likely on agenda amid LAC standoff

 

[Lancer]

Bihar is a Nepal-bordering state with BJP in the state administration. If Bihar falls for the BJP, UP isn't far behind. Nepal will have three non-BJP states along most of its open border, and can serve as launchpad for China and Pakistan to wreak havoc in North India.

Modi continues to underestimate the scale of the Chinese threat.

Bihar is more than likely a win for NDA, but no matter what happens - Yogi is going absolutely nowhere. UP is a definite lock.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Military option on table if talks fail: Rawat on China

The CDS, who was army chief during the 73-day military standoff in Doklam against the PLA in 2017, also dispelled the notion that there is a lack of coordination among the principal intelligence agencies.

www.google.com

Military option on table if talks fail: Rawat on China

Strong statement..

 

[tarunraju]

Military option on table if talks fail: Rawat on China

The CDS, who was army chief during the 73-day military standoff in Doklam against the PLA in 2017, also dispelled the notion that there is a lack of coordination among the principal intelligence agencies.

www.google.com

Military option on table if talks fail: Rawat on China

If it was on the table, talks would have failed in July. Every WQEVLKJHDSFKJH (insert pointless Jaishankar abbreviation) meet since June has been about meeting over the same thing, saying the same things, and tweeting the same things.

In a way, the dance of foot-patrols running into each other in grey zones, showing "please go back" banners, and then going back; has now been adapted for the diplomatic domain, except that China enjoys a fresh territorial win, while India is left holding its d*ck in its hand, and the Indian public is happy snorting Sushant's ashes.

 

[Kumata]

One of the things that scares me the most is a Two Front Air Force Battle and not just now but even long way into the future.

The JF 17 is grave threat to us not because they are technically superior to our fighter but because the Chinese support they have.

Just think for a Moment if JF 17 wasn't there PAF would have beeen in tatters now. They would have to buy over priced Western jet or underperforming Russian jets.
JF 17 is a life saver for them most of the parts is supplied by Chinese with Pakis doing the screwdrivergiri but that's not the point Pakis couldn't have built any aircraft even if they wanted to. The Chinese are doing the initiation role for their aero industry. Pakis will eventually absorb all the technology bit by bit.

I know people here like to boast Tejas superiority over JF 17 but that's not the point of Paki air power they arent meant to fight is they are just here to bog us down.
A flying aircraft with radar and Missile is a threat no matter how u look at it.

Chinese can amplify strength of Paki air force according to their need. Every equipment that u see in Chini military has the potential to show up on our western front.

Even if we move ten years ahead of Paki they will always stick out as a sore thumb because thats what they are supposed to do.

Chinese will pull all kind of Monkey gymnastics to pull us down.

Barring few on Raj / PB border, we won't need the air force anyways on the western side... We always forget the niggas in Navy who are etching for actions for too long...

Moreover , Once Karachi is fallen.. it's free for all in pork land....and it won't take Navy more than few hours of pounding ..I dont think porkis can fight for more than few days.. the mard e momin's are famous for surrender...

 

[Bhurki]

If it was on the table, talks would have failed in July. Every WQEVLKJHDSFKJH (insert pointless Jaishankar abbreviation) meet since June has been about meeting over the same thing, saying the same things, and tweeting the same things.

In a way, the dance of foot-patrols running into each other in grey zones, showing "please go back" banners, and then going back; has now been adapted for the diplomatic domain, except that China enjoys a fresh territorial win, while India is left holding its d*ck in its hand, and the Indian public is happy snorting Sushant's ashes.

Well hopefully, this enlightens the Indian citizens about the glaring deficiencies in the military options and someone takes a notice of the situation and tries to advise some remedies.
If still not, then irony is truly lost on them for the coming decades.

 

[fire starter]

Well hopefully, this enlightens the Indian citizens about the glaring deficiencies in the military options and someone takes a notice of the situation and tries to advise some remedies.
If still not, then irony is truly lost on them for the coming decades.

If local commanders were given more freedom then this mess would have been cleared immediately. If matter falls in the hands of diplomats then there is 9/10 chance that territory will be lost.

 

[Bhurki]

If local commanders were given more freedom then this mess would have been cleared immediately. If matter falls in the hands of diplomats then there is 9/10 chance that territory will be lost.

While thats true for tactical manuevers in a short battle, what is presented to India by China is a possibility of a conflict pan border, and therefore, letting a local commander make decisions to take action could lead to ramifications much larger than the scope of that commander. That is why people in echelons above brigades are responsible for whatever happens/ed now.

 

[garg_bharat]

Well guys nothing is lost. People are making too much of a few hundred squares km of land which we could not even patrol effectively - forget about any economic value.

The land cannot be reclaimed by localized action. As this could be a trap by China for a wider or all-out war.

The proper gameplan is to prepare for all-out war. And stop jumping while country prepares.

Always remember that reverses are part of military action. One cannot be certain of the outcome of any action. So leaning on a certain course without fallbacks can be dangerous.

 

[Lancer]

Barring few on Raj / PB border, we won't need the air force anyways on the western side... We always forget the niggas in Navy who are etching for actions for too long...

Moreover , Once Karachi is fallen.. it's free for all in pork land....and it won't take Navy more than few hours of pounding ..I dont think porkis can fight for more than few days.. the mard e momin's are famous for surrender...

If India wants, Pakistan can look unrecognizable in one week flat. The first and biggest loser in a Chi-Pak vs. India war, will be Pakistan.

They will get comprehensively smacked the fuck up for the first week while minimal necessary Indian forces hold off a Chinese advance in the East; after that resources + action will swing East towards the China theater.

China will lose its sidekick, suffer a huge military loss of face/have it's aura of invincibility shattered, get cut off from shipping/supplies/trade in the IOR, and face an even bigger international isolation than its currently experiencing - all for minimal/non-existent gains in the Northeast.

 

[Kumata]

If India wants, Pakistan can look unrecognizable in one week flat. The first and biggest loser in a Chi-Pak vs. India war, will be Pakistan.

They will get comprehensively smacked the fuck up for the first week while minimal necessary Indian forces hold off a Chinese advance in the East; after that resources + action will swing East towards the China theater.

China will lose its sidekick, get cut off from shipping/supplies/trade in the IOR, and face an even bigger international isolation than its currently experiencing - all for minimal/non-existent gains in the Northeast.

Exactly .. my experience on this August forum is that people hardly factor in our Naval power looking at bigger scheme of things..... I remember seeing a post on twitter.. Arihants Sister is in sea already full fledged....so we have 2 indigenous Subs prowling and not many know it... many more things are there which we don't know...