India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Bhurki]

If the Chinese faced a century if humiliation, us Indians faced two centuries of humiliation under British rule. We are not going around the world crying about it now.

If you aren't capitalising on something that could allow you major concessions or atleast try it out, well, then, whose fault is that?
Its akin to not using a discount coupon that could save you 50% on groceries just to feel proud about it, but then being unable to pay the rent. When trying to survive, everything is fair.

 

[nick_indian]

If you aren't capitalising on something that could allow you major concessions or atleast try it out, well, then, whose fault is that?
Its akin to not using a discount coupon that could save you 50% on groceries just to feel proud about it, but then being unable to pay the rent. When trying to survive, everything is fair.

Thank god we don't use this humiliation card. It's a loser's card.

 

[ezsasa]

If you aren't capitalising on something that could allow you major concessions or atleast try it out, well, then, whose fault is that?
Its akin to not using a discount coupon that could save you 50% on groceries just to feel proud about it, but then being unable to pay the rent. When trying to survive, everything is fair.

I used to believe in this school of thought, I no longer do.

When we look around the world, all the groups that are playing the victim card for something that happened long time ago are themselves becoming victims again. Whether they realise it or not, neither is their misery subsiding, nor their insecurities. Once you have insecurity in a group, someone else is bound to take advantage of it.

Playing victim cannot be a long term strategy, might as well use those energies on imparting education & job skills among the masses.

 

[rock127]

So India is cozying up with DPRK.

What do you say guys? Is it to intentionally irk China? Makes sense or too risky?

Aid and a missive: India's medical assistance to North Korea is also a message to China

India handed over a consignment of anti-tuberculosis medicines to DPRK

www.theweek.in

India hands $1 million aid to North Korea, greets Kim Kong Un

India is “sensitive to the shortage of medical supply situation” in North Korea and decided to grant humanitarian assistance of $ 1 million in the form of medicines to fight tuberculosis, said the MEA spokesperson. New Delhi’s medical assistance is under the aegis of an ongoing WHO...

www.deccanherald.com

India extends medical support of $1 mn to North Korea to fight TB

www.thehindubusinessline.com

 

[nick_indian]

I used to believe in this school of thought, I no longer do.

When we look around the world, all the groups that are playing the victim card for something that happened long time ago are themselves becoming victims again. Whether they realise it or not, neither is their misery subsiding, nor their insecurities. Once you have insecurity in a group, someone else is bound to take advantage of it.

Playing victim cannot be a long term strategy, might as well use those energies on imparting education & job skills among the masses.

It's similar to feminists in India. They play victims all the time and the country sees women as victims and therefore as weak. Being seen as weak makes them less respected. Modern feminism is a reason why women will always be seen as weak and never achieve true equality.

Just an analogy to what you were saying in your first para.

 

[Bhurki]

I used to believe in this school of thought, I no longer do.

When we look around the world, all the groups that are playing the victim card for something that happened long time ago are themselves becoming victims again. Whether they realise it or not, neither is their misery subsiding, nor their insecurities. Once you have insecurity in a group, someone else is bound to take advantage of it.

Playing victim cannot be a long term strategy, might as well use those energies on imparting education & job skills among the masses.

Thats exactly what Ive said. Playing victim is different from 'feeling victimised', china effectively follows the former, not as a way to limit themselves by reminding of gruesome past they've had, but by using that as a reason to further actions that would, in a normal case, be deemed too belligerent.

Its like a guy gets pinched, and instead of taking it to his heart and hurting his pride, he takes it as a reason to now start punching everybody in the face.
All this, while everybody else( specifically the west in this case) feels its ok to let him have his way to a certain extent.

 

[garg_bharat]

Thats exactly what Ive said. Playing victim is different from 'feeling victimised', china effectively follows the former, not as a way to limit themselves by reminding of gruesome past they've had, but by using that as a reason to further actions that would, in a normal case, be deemed too belligerent.

Its like a guy gets pinched, and instead of taking it to his heart and hurting his pride, he takes it as a reason to now start punching everybody in the face.
All this, while everybody else( specifically the west in this case) feels its ok to let him have his way to a certain extent.

Chinese behave like mafia; even in business. The world has to accept that China, as a communist country; must not have access to the free (democratic) world. Only way is to cut off China.

 

[johnq]

China is great at winning the peace; provided they have an adversary that is unwilling to fight. They quickly mobilize and build infrastructure on areas that are temporarily unoccupied; and since it's impossible to man the entire border (especially given the tough conditions) they have slowly taken over many square kms of Indian land over the years. They have even maimed hundreds of Indian soldiers with barbed wire sticks to take over Indian land, and yet the Indian soldiers are not allowed to start a firefight.lo
The only way India can stop China is if it has military and civilian leadership that is not afraid of war and its resulting casualties, someone crazy enough like Stalin.
It can be argued that if it wasn't for Stalin's willingness to keep fighting in spite of heavy casualties, Hitler would never have been defeated.
I think Modi is a good man and a great peacetime leader, but I suspect he is too afraid of losing Indian soldiers' lives; I don't blame him, who in their right mind wouldn't be? But unfortunately that also means that the Chinese will continue to grab more land in Ladakh, because Xi will be undeterred unless the Chinese face heavy casualties.

 

[Cheran]

Now China wants Pamir plateau

Beijing Implies Tajikistan’s Pamir Region Should Be Returned to China

A major scandal has broken out between China, on the one hand, and Tajikistan and Russia, on the other, regarding alleged Chinese claims on the Pamir region. This past month, official outlets of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) repeatedly republished an article by Chinese historian Cho Yao...

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Don't be surprised if there is any future Chinese "historical paper" on Del-Hi or Chen-Ai

 

[Sehwag213]

Hmm

 

[Bhurki]

Hmm

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Basically asking to evict entire shoreline of pangong tso altogether?
Thats a rather bold and truly daft request.

 

[Cheran]

Basically asking to evict entire shoreline of pangong tso altogether?
Thats a rather bold and truly daft request.

The utter arrogance & audacity of these fish stealers is mind boggling.

 

[Bhurki]

The utter arrogance & audacity of these fish stealers is mind boggling.

On the other hand this displays the utter lack of any deterrent tool (unconventional or conventional) in Indian foreign policy vis-a-vis China. They can exercise being intrepid becuase they know that not a whole lot can be brought to bear upon them immediately.

There's a reason they don't play around with russian borders, and its clear they presume that reason doesn't exist incase of dealing with India.

 

[prasadr14]

we need to scrap our support for one china policy ASAP.

Not sure what is the use of us being sensitive to these Bat munchers feelings.
Just be belligerent and insult them outright.

 

[garg_bharat]

On the other hand this displays the utter lack of any deterrent tool (unconventional or conventional) in Indian foreign policy vis-a-vis China. They can exercise being intrepid becuase they know that not a whole lot can be brought to bear upon them immediately.

There's a reason they don't play around with russian borders, and its clear they presume that reason doesn't exist incase of dealing with India.

Only deterrent can be MAD - thousands of nukes directed at their major cities. It seems nothing else will work.

 

[Bhurki]

Only deterrent can be MAD - thousands of nukes directed at their major cities. It seems nothing else will work.

No.. MAD is only the final deterrent, not useful in any case but to ensure the survival of the country as an entity.
Thats the reason most countries keep its nuclear weapons budget separate from defense budgets. (NNSA in US)

Short of that, you need several rungs of power projection capability through -
Economy (SoKo tourism hit by china)
Covert/Disruptive ( HK fiasco in china by other countries)
Overt ( US stationing its aircraft carrier next to any nation that as much as lifts a finger at it)

If you assume only MAD to be as a deterrent, something which can only be exercised after 90% of damage has already been done( and not when an enemy company/battalion walks towards your border) , then you'll definitely open yourselves up for recieving all of that 90% of damage.
This is one of the reasons US tries to plug each of its foreign policy feature with hard deterrent power.
( After russia annexed crimea, the conventional NATO deterrent in Europe was deemed not usable in low intensity fights, and so you have the tactical W76-2).

 

[Sehwag213]

 

[cereal killer]

So India is cozying up with DPRK.

What do you say guys? Is it to intentionally irk China? Makes sense or too risky?

Aid and a missive: India's medical assistance to North Korea is also a message to China

India handed over a consignment of anti-tuberculosis medicines to DPRK

www.theweek.in

India hands $1 million aid to North Korea, greets Kim Kong Un

India is “sensitive to the shortage of medical supply situation” in North Korea and decided to grant humanitarian assistance of $ 1 million in the form of medicines to fight tuberculosis, said the MEA spokesperson. New Delhi’s medical assistance is under the aegis of an ongoing WHO...

www.deccanherald.com

India extends medical support of $1 mn to North Korea to fight TB

www.thehindubusinessline.com

India is like 2nd largest Trading partner of DPRK. So we sorta have good relations with them. But not on the level of China I guess.

 

[Sehwag213]

 

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