India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[BeEverVectorMan]

Really. when did this happen. IAF or IA chopper?
Stop bullshitting.

Mind your language idiot

 

[Indrajit]

Yes , but I got promoted just recently so officially a Colonel .

Bloody big promotion that.....from an officer cadet (I’m being generous here)...or more likely equivalent from an other country altogether.

 

[Cartel Boss]

Relax everyone! Let military do its job. Don't forget to light diyas on August 5th.

 

[Kumata]

Bloody big promotion that.....from an officer cadet (I’m being generous here)...or more likely equivalent from an other country altogether.

Here Too mods gave him promotion to tihar

 

[scatterStorm]

First attack their air bases near the border the Hotan and nagri by the north and central command and a tredenomus pressure would be mounted on the Eastern Command to strike almost seven PLAAF's bases in the Siachen's and Yunnane's .

Striking them head-on is a death wish. I read your strategy. Its alright, but the problem is we have a very notorious neighbor. In an event of imminent preemptive strike by us.

1. We need to distract them at global stage.
2. If we need to insert our formations, than we must first stage air-supremacy followed by air-dominance.
3. Dedicated squadron(s) for SEAD and DEED missions.
4. Dedicated squadron(s) for ECCM and Recon.
5. Dedicated squadron for air-supremacy (countering awacs of the Chinese with our long range awacs killers)

Most importantly attacking's air-bases isn't the case anymore, the moment we intraduct there airspace they can pre-emptive strike us using Arty fire and CRBMs. So taking care of there arty is a must too.
6. Dedicated squadrons of Mirage, Jags to destroy arty assets.

 

[LDev]

If we had actually taken a measured approach we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.

We were caught by surprise we weren't prepared as shown by our emergency procurement.

We have already jumped into a risky situation without any analysis and what you are seeing right now is the result of it.

The reason India was caught was surprise was because at the highest level of the security apparatus in India, a wrong conclusion was arrived at. That conclusion being that as economic links between the two countries deepened to the levels that they had by 2019, that the Chinese would have an interest in maintaining peace on the border. That conclusion was wrong because although China has significantly higher trade volumes with Japan, Taiwan, Australia, Vietnam and Hong Kong and yet China has border issues and military skirmishes with all of those countries with PLAAF planes or PLAN Navy ships getting into skirmishes almost every single day with these countries at the same time that huge container ships with cargo are also plying between these countries. With India, China shares a land border and so the most convenient mode for China vis a vis India is encroachment on the land frontier as opposed to by sea or air as is the case with the other countries named above.

So IMO the news of Chinese intrusions in Ladakh would have gone up the chain of command fairly quickly but at the senior political/bureaucrat levels there would have been disbelief that barely 6 months after the Modi-Jinping meeting in Mahabalipuram and after India had opened up it's markets to the extent that it has to China, that China would do something like this. And that is where IMO clarification would have been sought from Russia maybe as that country is close to both China and India. And reports are that the feedback from the Russians was that this was only an exercise and the PLA would soon pull back. Of course that was completely inaccurate as events since have proven. And that is why ex-GOI bureaucrats who are commentators in the media speak of a betrayal by China.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Here Too mods gave him promotion to tihar

Poor wumao Avrion.. was over eager to hijack the thread.. Also how many here not get an invite for a private group ... a good move to make people feel obligated to not thrash him in public .

 

[kaaleshwaar]

Poor wumao Avrion.. was over eager to hijack the thread..

We got the first Chinese Prisoner of war

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Mind your language idiot

Lol. You’re the one who’s name calling. Trust me, if I start calling you names, you will cry. ‘Idiot’.
Also stop posting fake news. With absolutely no evidence. Unless you’re here to intentionally spread misinformation.

 

[A chauhan]

So how did the helicopter fall ? Any confirmation ?

 

[Indrajit]

The reason India was caught was surprise was because at the highest level of the security apparatus in India, a wrong conclusion was arrived at. That conclusion being that as economic links between the two countries deepened to the levels that they had by 2019, that the Chinese would have an interest in maintaining peace on the border. That conclusion was wrong because although China has significantly higher trade volumes with Japan, Taiwan, Australia, Vietnam and Hong Kong and yet China has border issues and military skirmishes with all of those countries with PLAAF planes or PLAN Navy ships getting into skirmishes almost every single day with these countries at the same time that huge container ships with cargo are also plying between these countries. With India, China shares a land border and so the most convenient mode for China vis a vis India is encroachment on the land frontier as opposed to by sea or air as is the case with the other countries named above.

So IMO the news of Chinese intrusions in Ladakh would have gone up the chain of command fairly quickly but at the senior political/bureaucrat levels there would have been disbelief that barely 6 months after the Modi-Jinping meeting in Mahabalipuram and after India had opened up it's markets to the extent that it has to China, that China would do something like this. And that is where IMO clarification would have been sought from Russia maybe as that country is close to both China and India. And reports are that the feedback from the Russians was that this was only an exercise and the PLA would soon pull back. Of course that was completely inaccurate as events since have proven. And that is why ex-GOI bureaucrats who are commentators in the media speak of a betrayal by China.

Faulty analysis, wrong conclusion, zero preparation if things went south. Blame to be apportioned correctly where it belongs.

 

[UZI™️]

Om Shanti to Paki F-16 in Advance

 

[Cheran]

We got the first Chinese Prisoner of war

Oh!! He Chinese? (Arvion?)

 

[nick_indian]

For one reason or another, we are always caught by surprise.

1962 Chinese invasion, we were caught by surprise.
1965 Pakistani operation gibraltar, we were caught by surprise
1999 Kargil, we were caught by surprise
2019 Pakistani retaliation to Balakot, we were caught by surprise
2020 Chinese intrusions, we are caught by surprise

Seems less like surprise and more like incompetence.

Sorry if it hurts anyone's feelings here, but there should not be surprise after surprise like this.

 

[LDev]

Faulty analysis, wrong conclusion, zero preparation if things went south. Blame to be apportioned correctly where it belongs.

It is the old adage, ' Do not look at an enemy's current intentions. Look at their capabilities, because intention's can change". India's senior leadership made this blunder by looking at China's intentions, which it mis-read, and did not look at the PLA's capacity for quick deployment. Everything on India's side, including military deployment, equipment and munition acquisition and stocking or lack of all of these factors flow from that wrong assessment.

 

[Sehwag213]

For one reason or another, we are always caught by surprise.

1962 Chinese invasion, we were caught by surprise.
1965 Pakistani operation gibraltar, we were caught by surprise
1999 Kargil, we were caught by surprise
2019 Pakistani retaliation to Balakot, we were caught by surprise
2020 Chinese intrusions, we are caught by surprise

Seems less like surprise and more like incompetence.

Sorry if it hurts anyone's feelings here, but there should not be surprise after surprise like this.

No , this is not surprise.
We are always in defensive position. So whenever our enemies feel they have a chance, they take advantage of our defensive posture.

The best solution is to go on offensive which we rarely do.

In cricket terms this is batting like Rahul Dravid. Always on defensive mode.
We should try batting like Sehwag once in a while.

See how Paki terrorism has reduced once we took fight to them.
Similarly we need to give Pak/China a solid jhapad , then only their incursions will stop.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Oh!! He Chinese? (Arvion?)

It was very evident. The language he wrote with was so Chinese English. The broken non-syntaxed style with no tense applications.
And all he did was post chinese propagnada.
He also used to like every post that cast doubt on Indian military capabilities.
I started replying to his posts showing the pla military as not formidable and he used to just stay quiet.

 

[Sehwag213]

Still we can occupy their lands across LAC. I don't know , why we aren't doing it ?
Are we not yet fully prepared for a war ?

 

[nick_indian]

He also used to like every post that cast doubt on Indian military capabilities.

He used to like every single post from everyone.

 

[patriots]

The Chinese helicopter crash report is in sm only,not in mainstream media
ABP news reporter Neeraj Rajput...said that ...this incident is not from lac
Bdw our own @NeXoft007 has posted a photo..on twitter of crashed z9.....