India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[SavageKing456]

What a load of crap.

No one forced China to come into our territory and occupy our lands, either in 62 or in 67 or numerous times after that.
No one forced China to give Nuke tech to Pakis, Support them for decades to wage war against India.
China has territorial ambitions on India - US does not.
China overtly supports our enemies - US does not.
China opposes every move beneficial to us, in all global bodies - US does not.
China grooms commies, Congress, Academia & journalists to destroy us - US does it but only to benifit itself not to destroy us

It's pathetic to even compare China and USA in terms who our friends are, when it's absolutely crystal clear seeing their actions.

CHINA BEHAVES LIKE OUR EMEMY - because it is our enemy.
USA BEHAVES LIKE OUR FRIEND - because our objectives match.

You will soon realize bud

 

[nick_indian]

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IF Israel doesn't sell tech to China, it doesn't help us that much does it.

Losing Iran however,

We lose our link to Central Asia. We had Pakistan completely surrounded by three adversaries - India, Iran and Afghanistan, now it's going to be only India.

It is a win for Pak-China all the way and a loss for India. Let's just accept it.

Idk whether GoI can be blamed for this or not. But this is bad for India's security and economy and very good for Pakistan's.

 

[Bhadra]

stop fixating with these rankings,it's highly deceptive.

first thing that comes to mind,can India pull back all soldiers,paramilitaries and weaponries from western theater,north east counter insurgency and anti maoist operations ? Doing so is suicidal.

There is truth in your arguments but not complete truth.
The truth is hidden in details .

CRPF is a 245 battalion Internal security force. Not all of them are deployed. But leave them aside.

There are 315 border guarding CAPF battalions. Only half of them remains deployed and the other half are turnover / training battalions. In the time of National emergencies, there should not be turnover or training battalions. Army also deploys it complete force and so should the CAPF.

It is only a matter of adjustment to concentrate the available CAPF battalions at intended time and place.

You have not taken thousands of Armed police battalions with state.

No border is required to be thinned from existing levels but still one can make 150 battalions vailable for a particular border if situation so demands..

and how long India will be able to blockade Malacca straight ?......given the sheer numerical and technical superiority of the PLAAN ?

It is a higher level of conflict scenario which would probably involve quad.

But the bottomline is China will never go for a conventional war,this is an era of asymmetric warfare,if the relationship deteriorates,it will return back to what it always did in the past,ie,sponsor insurgency in N.E and create political instability so that Indian military simply gets bogged down with internal conflicts.

It is no longer NE of 1960s or 70s. But that probability exists.

Until and unless India fixes the basics(builds an economic parity with a strong industrial base)these quick fix measures like positioning rafales and other imported weapons is simply useless.

That is a big fallacy that one need to be economically very strong to launch military campaigns and succeed. History tell us something else. India was never captured by Economically superior powers including the British but militarily superior forces even if they were ribals lize Turks or Mongols. China was not an economically superior power in 1962.

India is just so heavily reliant on China,so much so that they can not only harm us economically but can completely put our economy to a grinding halt, if they wish to do so.

Absolutely an overstatement. If Indian industry picks up in manufacturing the Industry can provide consumables at competitive prices. Chinese are not proving us any Martian technology. Only cheap material.

 

[Synergy]

We shouldn't be believing US also
US&CHINA are the sides of same coin.

China has always made anti-India decisions at UN.

US is secretly making India-China fight and also making India at check via proxy war in Kashmir,Pakistan.

China is a threat for some time,but US will always be a threat Indirectly to India.
We should see moves of the US carefully.

China should be destroyed asap but so is the US

Because US&China were allies too just few decades ago.

But the growth of China started hurting US's superpower status.
Same could happen with India
So we should play double game.
West and China both don't want India to progress

so according to you, US is fuelling proxy war to India? what do you smoke?

bone of contention between US and USSR and later US and China is Capitalism vs communism (mixed with expansionism).
as long as we will not adopt communism or be in an anti US group or adopt an expansionist policy, we should be safe.

 

[SavageKing456]

so according to you, US is fuelling proxy war to India? what do you smoke?

bone of contention between US and USSR and later US and China is Capitalism vs communism.
as long as we will not adopt communism or be in an anti US group, we should be safe.

Hey,to understand what I said you need to know that despite US knowing Pakistan uses proxy war it fails to take necessary action against Pakistan.
US is only supportive of India on China issue **Not** on Pakistan issue.
West&China has always tried to suppress India's growth you cannot deny that

 

[ARVION]

Battle of walong.

 

[ARVION]

Confrontation at Thag La.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

US non-committal on CAATSA waiver for India to buy fighter jets from Russia

US non-committal on CAATSA waiver for India to buy fighter jets from Russia

www.deccanherald.com

CAATSA, a political and a commercial tool

CAATSA, a political and a commercial tool

The niggling issue of the US potentially sanctioning India for acquiring Russian materiel to meet its urgent military needs simply refuses to go away. For, looming menacingly over defence equipment purchases from India’s oldest, largest and reliable supplier of military goods is the capricious

www.tribuneindia.com

US outraged with India for neglecting American F-21s for Russian Jets

US outraged with India for neglecting American F-21s for Russian Jets

According to US experts - the F-21 merely resembles the old F-16 but rather is a new aircraft with new cockpit display, a larger airframe spine to accommodate additional electronics and a new infrared sensor and refuelling probe that is compatible with India’s Russian made aerial tankers.

eurasiantimes.com

Read as ''US threatens India, Again.

 

[Knowitall]

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Nah israel will continue to sell as long as they need money.

This chinese news is not coming out the blue it has been in planning for a long time now most countries already had a rough idea about it including Israel.

They will continue to sell things to china as long as they get the money for it.

 

[ARVION]

Nah israel will continue to sell as long as they need money.

This chinese news is not coming out the blue it has been in planning for a long time now most countries already had a rough idea about it including Israel.

They will continue to sell things to china as long as they get the money for it.

But that is in very limited number's.

 

[ARVION]

The order of the battle of the tawang's.

 

[Synergy]

Hey,to understand what I said you need to know that despite US knowing Pakistan uses proxy war it fails to take necessary action against Pakistan.
US is only supportive of India on China issue **Not** on Pakistan issue.

who said you that?

how was the relationship between US and Pakistan 20/25 years ago and today what's the status of that relationship?

US was/is heavily reliant on Pak due to Afg campaign. so they were unable to take any solid action against them.

 

[ARVION]

The battle of the Gurung's Hill's.

 

[garg_bharat]

IF Israel doesn't sell tech to China, it doesn't help us that much does it.

Losing Iran however,

We lose our link to Central Asia. We had Pakistan completely surrounded by three adversaries - India, Iran and Afghanistan, now it's going to be only India.

It is a win for Pak-China all the way and a loss for India. Let's just accept it.

Idk whether GoI can be blamed for this or not. But this is bad for India's security and economy and very good for Pakistan's.

There are two aspects to this:

a. Economic aspect - Central Asian countries will keep on getting goods from ports in Iran, Turkey, and overland from Russia. Nothing changes there.

India's influence from Chabahar port is not as large as it seems.

b. Military aspect - India never involved in Iran's military needs. And this is not the time to start.

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It is not as if India has made Iran an enemy. You can at best say India's influence has gone down. Which was not a whole lot to begin with.

 

[Synergy]

Read as ''US threatens India, Again.

I'm finding, media threatens again.

 

[Motti]

There is an economic angle here as well. Why was China so stupid enough to take on India right when the US-led West was ratcheting up trade war with Beijing? China needs Indian markets and a boycott by the latter, if possible (and that's honestly a big IF) will lead to the closure of many Chinese factories.

It really does not make sense, unless certain senior military officers in the PLA are on the payroll of the CIA. If you want to ruin China, you need to cut off access to ALL markets.

 

[Knowitall]

There are two aspects to this:

a. Economic aspect - Central Asian countries will keep on getting goods from ports in Iran, Turkey, and overland from Russia. Nothing changes there.

India's influence from Chabahar port is not as large as it seems.

b. Military aspect - India never involved in Iran's military needs. And this is not the time to start.

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It is not as if India has made Iran an enemy. You can at best say India's influence has gone down. Which was not a whole lot to begin with.

But didn't we use iran as a launching ground for our ops in Baluchistan and other areas RAW had a good network there.

Now me.might lose it.

 

[Sehwag213]

@ARVION
From where are you posting these maps ?

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

Hey,to understand what I said you need to know that despite US knowing Pakistan uses proxy war it fails to take necessary action against Pakistan.
US is only supportive of India on China issue **Not** on Pakistan issue.
West&China has always tried to suppress India's growth you cannot deny that

India, US relation will only go two ways. India being a puppet or India becoming the ememy.

 

[SavageKing456]

who said you that?

how was the relationship between US and Pakistan 20/25 years ago and today what's the status of that relationship?

US was/is heavily reliant on Pak due to Afg campaign. so they were unable to take any solid action against them.

Let's see what action US takes against Pakistan after completely withdrawal of it's soldiers.