India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Sehwag213]

Aisa confidence life mein chahiye

 

[Kumata]

i have been saying this for long time.. if trump is gone then both INDIA and USA is screwed

Somewhere i too agree... Although things might be as bad.. Biden fella is a leftist ideology to the core ... porks will fancy themselves for sure... He won't stand up to cheenis...perhaps his first foreign visit will be to china to normalize relations and beg them for mercy.....

For Us - We are anyways on our Own... our anti china stance will continue...they cannot go back on already signed contracts.. we might not get new stuff but thats fine.... this gives us opportunity to made at home... yes, it will affect our soft power a lot for sure....

 

[Sanglamorre]

China has come a long way from "Showing India its place" to "China is not a threat".
Har Har Modi!

Likely there is a power struggle in CCP. China is speaking in two voices at the same time.

No. The positions of power that speak to us like PLA (through actions) or MEA, or Ambs are all controlled by Jinping faction. The other faction is in internal beureucracy.

This is just to put us off guard. I would hold off on the Modi vandana till the Chinese actually retreat on ground. What China is saying now is, if you don't want trouble, don't ask us to go back. We will work with you, only if you accept our terms.

 

[Cheran]

Aisa confidence life mein chahiye

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Every time, i see a GoberTimes report:-

China should:-

1. Stop all weapons sales to Pakistan
2. Reveal details of all missile/nuclear tech transfer to Pakistan
3. Give India back Aksai Bharat
4. Give up claims on Arunachal Pradesh
5. Accept India's perceived LAC as International Border
6. Support India bid for UN permanent seat at security council
7. Retreat from all areas where there is tension at the border now
8. Free Tibet
9. Ensure democracy in HK
10. Ban CCP & hold elections in China

Above suggested by experts i met at Saravana Bhavan while having a Sada Dosa & Madras filter coffee.

 

[AmitG]

China has come a long way from "Showing India its place" to "China is not a threat".
Har Har Modi!

Likely there is a power struggle in CCP. China is speaking in two voices at the same time.

These are just usual Chinese tactics. They have occupied the areas they want to and they won’t budge. Now they want to make nice without withdrawing . Nothing new in this. These are their usual tactics. If they are after 3 areas they will claim 10, occupy 7 and then withdraw from 4 and show the world that they are willing to compromise.

Till now Modi hasn’t shown any initiative after walking into Xi’s trap, aside from banning a few apps, which really isn’t making any difference on the ground in Ladakh. I hope the govt has a plan aside from obfuscation and trying to convince the public that “all is well”.

As I have said before the govt and the army needs to be given time to respond but if they do not respond this year then we can say goodbye to those areas occupied by the Chinese.

To me there are only two options . Either go to war and throw the Chinese out forcibly or occupy some of their held areas which they consider strategic and negotiate. If we haven’t done the latter already then it might already be too late for this. And if they govt hasn’t given the go ahead to occupy Chinese held territory then just as Modi gets credit for other things then Modi needs to take the blame for it and for bowing down to the Chinese.

Will repeat once again. This is not about the NDA, UPA, BJP, Congress. This is about India. Whoever is in govt today needs to deal with it. Blaming Nehru for current failures is not going to cut it . Only the weak blame others. The strong make their own destiny.

 

[AmitG]

Somewhere i too agree... Although things might be as bad.. Biden fella is a leftist ideology to the core ... porks will fancy themselves for sure... He won't stand up to cheenis...perhaps his first foreign visit will be to china to normalize relations and beg them for mercy.....

For Us - We are anyways on our Own... our anti china stance will continue...they cannot go back on already signed contracts.. we might not get new stuff but thats fine.... this gives us opportunity to made at home... yes, it will affect our soft power a lot for sure....

Trump may still surprise us but currently it looks highly unlikely he will win. Having said that he still has a block of silent voters that supported him the last time. Whether this will help him win again remains to be seen. For the moment his mis handling of the Covid situation makes it look like he is staring at defeat.

 

[AmitG]

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The Chinese AWAC's KJ 500's at the Hotan Air Base's . We need to strike the Hotan Air Statione's at all cost's . I have already made a scenario's regarding this put it on the Shaksgam Threade's .

Do we have the political will for that? I don’t think so. If it comes to a border skirmish , that all it will remain at, a border skirmish. The Air Force will fly CAP and at the most do some bombing at the border. I don’t think either side will escalate by going deep into the other’s territory. Of course the disclaimer is that when a skirmish starts there Ismail’s always the chance of things snowballing. Specially if the Paki’s join in.

 

[Kumata]

Trump may still surprise us but currently it looks highly unlikely he will win. Having said that he still has a block of silent voters that supported him the last time. Whether this will help him win again remains to be seen. For the moment his mis handling of the Covid situation makes it look like he is staring at defeat.

I still think Trump will make it. Make no mistake but he have quite a few tricks up his sleeves.. he is highly relying on these silent voters ... moreover he still have 3 months for that last punch... He might be down a bit but certainly not out....

this black live shit have already polarised the voters a lot and just like india... whites are silent... Here hindus were silent but when look how modi gave the thrashing to khangress eco system...

 

[Sehwag213]

I still think Trump will make it. Make no mistake but he have quite a few tricks up his sleeves.. he is highly relying on these silent voters ... moreover he still have 3 months for that last punch... He might be down a bit but certainly not out....

this black live shit have already polarised the voters a lot and just like india... whites are silent... Here hindus were silent but when look how modi gave the thrashing to khangress eco system...

Also I think many of these opinion poll may be wrong.
Many people don't openly admit that they will vote Trump because of the fear of being called racist.

 

[prasadr14]

Also I think many of these opinion poll may be wrong.
Many people don't openly admit that they will vote Trump because of the fear of being called racist.

Thats the most important point,

Whites are where HIndus were 15 years back,
ashamed, apologetic and secular...

The whites may not say it openly but they would surely be pissed for being told to be ashamed of something they have not done.
It's not even sins of the father, it's more like their great great great grand daddy "may" have had slaves....

 

[ARVION]

Who makes it ??
Is L&T making the ammunition in India ?

As I am busy , i will keep the answer brief , yes .

 

[ARVION]

Rocket assisted shells may have range BUT accuracy?

At it is guided , so even for a chinese Shell's , it could be a pretty much accurate's .

 

[tarunraju]

Aisa confidence life mein chahiye

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China's J-20 has no chance against India's MiG-21 (pre-upgrade). Reason: the platform has zero combat experience, PLAAF has zero air-warfare experience (with a 3+ gen airplane), and if J-20 was worth its scrap value, China would have parked it on Hotan's apron as a psy-prop. Once word gets out that a J-20 has been painted by an Indian radar in Ladakh, the plane won't even be worth scrap value. Maybe Xi's wife can use them to dry his soiled underwear.

Chicoms are more worried about shit positively hitting the fan in SCS, and they'll need their best planes (imported Su-30 / 35BM, not J-20) to field against USN Super Hornets, Strike Eagles, or even the latest Falcon blocks. Not every air plane with black paint and internal weapons bay is magically "5th gen," unless it's been proven against enemy radar.

Americans use only their best F-22 in theaters such as Iran and Syria, where they're trying to dodge Ruski radars. Why? Because RAM is an overrated technology, and at best it can cloak you against radars a few generations behind. Indian radar tech is vastly more advanced than the countries USAF flies the F-22 over. Maybe once PLAAF grows a pair, it can bring a J-20 within 100 km of the LAC to red-pill themselves.

 

[garg_bharat]

No. The positions of power that speak to us like PLA (through actions) or MEA, or Ambs are all controlled by Jinping faction. The other faction is in internal beureucracy.

This is just to put us off guard. I would hold off on the Modi vandana till the Chinese actually retreat on ground. What China is saying now is, if you don't want trouble, don't ask us to go back. We will work with you, only if you accept our terms.

I think US presidential election is clouding the flow of events. Everybody has gone in holding mode.

India-China situation is just one side of overall multi-faceted West-China break.

China's plan is to replace USA without fighting a war. Of course that is too much of an ideal situation. But China is a very stubborn country and it will continue to do what it has always done - bribe western leaders. Its cronies may have given billions already to DNC and US media silently.

 

[garg_bharat]

I think Indians (specially liberal educated ones) underestimate Modi. Modi is very shrewd inside. He has an uncanny ability to understand the big picture.

Modi will not take any action in a hurry whatever the case.

 

[johnq]

China's J-20 has no chance against India's MiG-21 (pre-upgrade). Reason and Proof: the platform has zero combat experience, PLAAF has zero air-warfare experience, and if J-20 was worth is scrap value, China would have parked it on Hotan's apron as a psy-prop. Once word gets out that a J-20 has been painted by an Indian radar in Ladakh, the plane won't even be worth scrap value. Maybe 11's wife can use them to dry his soiled underwear.

Chicoms are more worried about shit positively hitting the fan in SCS, and they'll need their best planes (imported Su-30 / 35BM) to field against USN Super Hornets, Strike Eagles, or even the latest Falcon blocks. Not every air plane with black paint and internal weapons bay is magically "5th gen," unless it's been proven against enemy radar.

The fact that the J-20 doesn't have a cannon shows how out of touch the Chinese are when it comes to actual air combat. The US Navy UHF radar on E2D can not only see stealth aircraft but even guide missiles to it via datalink, and the J-20 isn't even as stealthy as its western counterparts. Not to mention the massive heat signature from those canards and engines everytime it turns, even Abhinandan in his Mig-21 could shoot down the J-20 with a R-73.

 

[johnq]

I think Indians (specially liberal educated ones) underestimate Modi. Modi is very shrewd inside. He has an uncanny ability to understand the big picture.

Modi will not take any action in a hurry whatever the case.

The Chinese will never see Modi coming, although I expect something to happen only after the Covid situation is controlled.

 

[Cheran]

So apparently the Chinese said :-
1. Traditional customary boundary line is in accordance with the LAC.
2. Clarifying LAC could create new disputes
3. Disengagement over from their side

They have altered the status quo & now sticking to it. Whatever was discussed at the talks between the generals have been discarded, but of course, we could only guess this was about to happen.

Indian MEA has said that the disengagement is still not over.

Chinese have in short intruded into our claim area, fortified it, altered the status quo & now say let's move on.

Next move - GOI

 

[garg_bharat]

The Chinese will never see Modi coming, although I expect something to happen only after the Covid situation is controlled.

Boss I will be very disappointed if West takes no action against China after killing millions through bio-warfare.
But I would not rush into a war ALONE.

 

[johnq]

Boss I will be very disappointed if West takes no action against China after killing millions through bio-warfare.
But I would not rush into a war ALONE.

The Chinese-influenced western mainstream media has already dismissed even the possibility of Covid as Chinese biowarfare. Plus most of the US politicians from both parties (including Trump) are incredibly corrupt and probably on China's payroll. But with Modi, I don't expect open warfare. There are many ways of fighting and defeating the enemy, and I'm sure Modi will act when the time is right.