India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

Mikesingh

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As of 6 hours ago, China has pulled back and vacated Finger 4 in Pangong Tso completely. Now the issue is about maintaining the no man's land between Finger 4 and Finger 8 (the respective claim lines) as a demilitarized patch, except for the usual patrolling as was being done earlier. This will be discussed in the next Corps Cdrs meeting.
 

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Summed it up well.

I am really surprised by the assumptions here of China Pak Iran axis, previously pakis were salivating at China Russo Paki axis. Bhailog its not a zero sum game going on, unlike pakis, Iranians are not going to jump in some camp. They are rightly leveraging their position and they'd try to milk both India and China for their own benefits.

Iran's larger game is to be a regional power and assert its will on its neighbor. Their relationship with pakis has been anything but friendly, they both send their yahoo's to destabilize each other being Shia Sunni thing. Pakis have been in bed with almost every Arab countries, so the last thing Iranians will ever do is trust pakis.

Militarily a friendly Iran is good thing for pakis, but there is a catch right. The internal dynamics of pakis have always been kiski hum chaate, there are enough Arab funded madarsas in pakistan to wreck havock inside their heartland.

The nature of every geo political understanding is what value you bring us. The moment Iran comes in Chinese equation, paki strategic value diminishes.

Geo politic scenarios keeps on changing, what we need to do is cultivate our interests in Iran regardless of US pressure as its known to backtrack.

What we need to lay down is our goals, secure our neighborhood with friendly govt. Lets be real though getting GB would be an insane task to accomplish given the nature of terrain by just military objective standpoint of view. But we do prepare for it, Pakis need to be handicapped economically.
There are signs of a China-Russia-Iran axis forming. This axis may not include Pakistan; and Pakistan may remain a separate entity as a client state of China. However survival of Pakistan looks increasingly iffy as its economic condition continues to deteriorate. Remember countries need money to survive. Countries are very much like companies - bankruptcy means dissolution. Iran has oil which remains a valuable resource.

There is a separate Ottoman empire axis being tried out by Turkey. Time will tell if that would succeed.
 

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There are signs of a China-Russia-Iran axis forming. This axis may not include Pakistan; and Pakistan may remain a separate entity as a client state of China. However survival of Pakistan looks increasingly iffy as its economic condition continues to deteriorate. Remember countries need money to survive. Countries are very much like companies - bankruptcy means dissolution. Iran has oil which remains a valuable resource.

There is a separate Ottoman empire axis being tried out by Turkey. Time will tell if that would succeed.
Turkey is too broke to run itself let alone an axis.

Out of china Russia Iran Axis it's purely against USA. Neither Russia nor iran would antagonize India. Also Russia and China have no interest in antagonizing Saudi alliance or Israel and Europe.

So any china Russia Iran Axis is only financial exploitation of Iran by china and Russia at the cost of survival against USA.

Pakistan doesn't have much options. Other than china no one else has any interest in it's anti India agenda. And even china won't fight a direct war with India for it's own territory forget about Pakistan's security. That's now proven twice from doklam to galwan.
 

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Some more clarity on Depsang it seems.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/na...at-crucial-corps-commanders-meet-2168913.html

“Lt Gen Harinder Singh and Maj Gen Lin Liu will meet this week to discuss and decide on standoff at Y-junction, Depsang Bulge,” a source said.

In Depsang, the Chinese have moved their troops and equipment up to the Y-Junction.

“The Chinese sitting at this point is affecting our patrolling at 5 points as Y-Junction is out way to Patrols and it here that the routes fork into two routes, which have Patrolling Point (PP) 10, PP-11, PP-11A, PP-12 and PP-13 between them,” said a senior Army officer who had served in the area, which is 30 km south-east from the important Daulat Beg Oldi advanced landing ground, which is the world’s highest landing ground.

Seems like the Chinese are blocking our patrols here also. Wonder why there is so much focus in the media and among defence analysts on Pangong Tso but not Depsang. This is as big a problem if not bigger.
 

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Most of the bloodshed in the world is due to two warlord tribes - the Khazars and the Mongols. Khazars have hijacked Islam. Nobody knows what Muhammad preached - as the religion is heavily corrupted by Khazars. The Chinese civilization is hijacked by Mongols. The judaism and Christianity are also corrupted by Khazars to a varying degree.

A correction - India is still managing a terminal at Chabahar port so it is not a complete pullout. India has built a road from Chabahar to Western Afghanistan for moving goods. However China has already set sights on Chabahar. So nobody knows how long India lasts there.

There are a lot of issues with Iran right now due to American sanctions. Money flow both ways through Western banking channels is affected.

Islam is basically written instructions of What Christianity did to Pagans after 400AD. Read a bit more about Connections of Christianity to PBUH
 

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Do you think the Pakis won't empty their nuclear arsenal on us if we did that ?
No, they won't. Nuclear deterrence as we know it has changed (mostly since Balakot).

With Balakot, we called Pakistan's bluff (not that they have nukes, but that they'd use them against us and risk a second strike). Likewise, China has been calling our bluff in Ladakh. Our nukes can reach as far as Harbin, but will we use them over Chinese gains in Ladakh (and risk a second strike against any target in India)?

South Asia will experience many territorial changes in the near future over this new form of deterrent bluff-calling, and quantitative conventional warfare will be back in fashion. Which means all the systems we thought were "20th century," such as large fleets of MBTs and APCs, heavy bombers, large artillery, etc., are not just back on the table, but have become a necessity. India will raise those Mountain Strike corps.

The upper few wrungs of the escalation ladder have just been raised by a lot.

So to answer your question, even as crazy, ideology-fueled hare-brained mullahs in uniform, as Pakistan Army are, they will not nuke India over a conventional advance into so-called AJK or G-B.

Pakis have taught us with Swift Dzire that it's okay to respond to the bigger guy on his turf; and China has taught us with its recent actions in Ladakh that it's okay for India to salami-slice into Pakistan.
 

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