India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Suryavanshi]

The Japanese may disagree mate.

After that it has never been used and never will be.
Nukes are a paradox, it can't be used against a nuclear capable nation unless u are suicidal.

 

[prasadr14]

After that it has never been used and never will be.
Nukes are a paradox, it can't be used against a nuclear capable nation unless u are suicidal.

Not just that,
any war between two nuclear nations, no one would want to fire a BM first...could easily be mistaken for a nuke and MAD could ensure.

Perhaps reasons why India - China have so many rules regarding engagement at the border.

 

[Suryavanshi]

You will soon receive a surprise of your life. Prediction is upto 30% of current arsenal will be used in WW3; which has already started technically.

Guess I'll start digging my bunkers now.

Anyway nuke should never be kept under consideration, we wouldn't be able to make any military gains if we live in constant fear of nuke.

 

[mokoman]

Nukes aren't meant to be fired.

They wont nuke our cities but may use tactical nukes against invading Indian army.

Read somewhere that we changed our nuclear doctrine so that if our forces are hit with nukes either inside or outside India , we will respond with full force .

 

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They wont nuke our cities but may use tactical nukes against invading Indian army.

Read somewhere that we changed our nuclear doctrine so that if our forces are hit with nukes either inside or outside India , we will respond with full force .

Dont forget the Naser Missile with the salted dirty Bomb's.

 

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Guess I'll start digging my bunkers now.

Anyway nuke should never be kept under consideration, we wouldn't be able to make any military gains if we live in constant fear of nuke.

Dont worry if you live in major city the AAD's is probably operational.

 

[garg_bharat]

Dont worry if you live in major city the AAD's is probably operational.

Cities are death traps in total wars.
If you fear for death, avoid large cities. Move to small town.

 

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Cities are death traps in total wars.
If you fear for death, avoid large cities. Move to small town.

I said the same thing and was banned for six day's.

 

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IL-14 transports were employed to airlift troops & stores to Leh, during the 1962 Indo-China War. Here a line-up of IL-14s are lined up at Leh, with Army personnel unloading stores from the aircraft.

 

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Transporter landing at Leh's.

 

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SONAM NORBU who saved Ladakh in 1948. The Engineer's who built the Leh's Air strip's.

 

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Why the PLAGF couldn't use the Type 15's in Ladakh's.

And as far as the Himalayas go, the problem isn't getting the tank into Tibet, the problem is getting the tank across the Himalayas into Indian territory, which means you have to cross brutal terrain. If you look at the Sino-Indian border, there's not a single point where the Chinese can avoid mountains; it's all Tibet or Xinjiang mountains on the border. A Yunnannese incursion is theoretically possible, but you'd have to violate Myanmar's sovereignty.

And as far as top-attack ATGMs go, LAHAT has 8 km of range. Spike NLOS has more than 22 km of range.

Regarding losing air superiority, We, the Indians have tons of bases at the border and the Chinese have few bases. They can use civilian airports as temporary airbases, but civilian airports are far from ideal as they will not have the ammunition and fuel needed for an air campaign prestocked. Moreover, the PLAAF is traditionally an air denial force, and they don't seem to have much experience in SEAD missions, although they do have missiles for that.We, the Indians have a ton of Russian SAMs on the border, so you can't guarantee that the Chinese will be able to swat fighters out of the sky once they get up.

 

[garg_bharat]

I said the same thing and was banned for six day's.

Well I also live in NCR and I have no intention to leave. Life and death is in the hands of God.

 

[garg_bharat]

Why the PLAGF couldn't use the Type 15's in Ladakh's.

And as far as the Himalayas go, the problem isn't getting the tank into Tibet, the problem is getting the tank across the Himalayas into Indian territory, which means you have to cross brutal terrain. If you look at the Sino-Indian border, there's not a single point where the Chinese can avoid mountains; it's all Tibet or Xinjiang mountains on the border. A Yunnannese incursion is theoretically possible, but you'd have to violate Myanmar's sovereignty.

And as far as top-attack ATGMs go, LAHAT has 8 km of range. Spike NLOS has more than 22 km of range.

Regarding losing air superiority, We, the Indians have tons of bases at the border and the Chinese have few bases. They can use civilian airports as temporary airbases, but civilian airports are far from ideal as they will not have the ammunition and fuel needed for an air campaign prestocked. Moreover, the PLAAF is traditionally an air denial force, and they don't seem to have much experience in SEAD missions, although they do have missiles for that.We, the Indians have a ton of Russian SAMs on the border, so you can't guarantee that the Chinese will be able to swat fighters out of the sky once they get up.

China should not expect a quick victory. If that is China's planning, it will suffer.
Even if China advances, an India which does not fear China can mount counterattacks and make China's occupation very expensive.

Unless China is thinking of mounting a nuclear attack on India; this border war seems useless.

 

[A chauhan]

Well I also live in NCR and I have no intention to leave. Life and death is in the hands of God.

Delhi NCR will be the first target of any nuclear attack, so thinking so will 100% bring death. Should Delhites think of radiation free underground chambers ? Though MAD is highly improbable.

 

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To the Chini's we could show this when we get ours MRSAM's from BDL's in a large number's.

Thenga , Thenga , Thenga , Thenga , Thenga , Thenga .

 

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Most of the chinese are in the denial Mode that they can't believe the J 20 B's are rushed into productione's. They knew there J 20's are not fully developede's. They are blaming an Indian Website which is run apparently by some Tamil. The Chinese Language Forum's and English Launguage Forum's, even the Sino Defence's Forum's are blaming us for the mis information's.
Even would not be surprised to blame us. They are singing in the same tune's, could be the works of the 50 Center's to spread mis informatione's and blame this on us.

 

[Illusive]

There is absurd discussion going on about China-Iran-Pakistan axis here.

If Pakistan ever goes with Iran then it's game over for them. All the Middle Eastern Muslim nations will ditch them and come down on them with ton of bricks. Pakis are very loyal to their Arab Masters. How loyal you ask? Just before the visit of MBS of Saudi Arabia Paki army orchestrated a suicide bombing in Iran on the border. From the economic point of view, most Pakis work in Middle East. Most of their exports go to EU and USA. How the heck they would ally with Iran? What are the benefits for them?

China is allying with Iran. Since Iran is shut off from financial system, Chinese have to use their own currency or Euros for investment. I am not sure how much flexibility they have using Euro as there can be sanctions from EU anytime. India always payed for Oil in Euro for Iran. But Chinese will definitely use their own currency and tie their fate with China. If Chinese go with Iran after Trump win in November then they will delay their alliance until 2024. Whatever the case the West and Arabs have Pakis by the balls.

I would like to know from others here the implications of Pakistan-Iran axis. I know it will be bad for India but it is devastating for Pakistan both economically and militarily.

Summed it up well.

I am really surprised by the assumptions here of China Pak Iran axis, previously pakis were salivating at China Russo Paki axis. Bhailog its not a zero sum game going on, unlike pakis, Iranians are not going to jump in some camp. They are rightly leveraging their position and they'd try to milk both India and China for their own benefits.

Iran's larger game is to be a regional power and assert its will on its neighbor. Their relationship with pakis has been anything but friendly, they both send their yahoo's to destabilize each other being Shia Sunni thing. Pakis have been in bed with almost every Arab countries, so the last thing Iranians will ever do is trust pakis.

Militarily a friendly Iran is good thing for pakis, but there is a catch right. The internal dynamics of pakis have always been kiski hum chaate, there are enough Arab funded madarsas in pakistan to wreck havock inside their heartland.

The nature of every geo political understanding is what value you bring us. The moment Iran comes in Chinese equation, paki strategic value diminishes.

Geo politic scenarios keeps on changing, what we need to do is cultivate our interests in Iran regardless of US pressure as its known to backtrack.

What we need to lay down is our goals, secure our neighborhood with friendly govt. Lets be real though getting GB would be an insane task to accomplish given the nature of terrain by just military objective standpoint of view. But we do prepare for it, Pakis need to be handicapped economically.

 

[garg_bharat]

Delhi NCR will be the first target of any nuclear attack, so thinking so will 100% bring death. Should Delhites think of radiation free underground chambers ? Though MAD is highly improbable.

There is a kill radius of each bomb. Beyond the kill radius, things are highly variable. Radiation fallout depends on wind. Immediate flash and heat wave will be blocked by walls.

I have masks for my family.

There is a place called Mohanjo-daro (hillock of the dead) near Indus river in Sindh. The place was found to have radioactive skeletons and other evidence of high radioactivity. It seems like a city was destroyed there with a nuclear bomb. So maybe nukes were used in antiquity. Maybe Japan is not the first one.

 

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Pangong TSO lake Boat Patrol's.